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I certainly think this is the silliest of notions but I find myself drawn to the EOS 5D Mk1.

I had a 5D about a hundred years ago as an upgrade from a 40D and it was there I fell in lerv with FF. I learned how to use a 5D with L lenses and old mount-adapted non EF lenses.

Then along came the 5D11 and I traded up. The 5D11 did sterling service until early 2024 when I succumbed to progress and added a 5D111 becoming tikka two bodies!

I'm still learning how to manipulate the 5D111 and it saddens me that the camera, my copy at least, refuses to recognise vintage lenses on adapters all of which are old friends on the 5D11.

So I've got two perfectly good FF bodies in lovely working order. I'm only a hobby photographer and I have no qualms about taking a FF body where some entirely sensible folks would pocket something smaller.

And now I'm wasting time gazing at the original 5D on t'ebay. With a bit of luck it'll pass before the month ends: must be post-Christmas wallet wirthdrawl symptoms!
 
Not at all silly if you still have the lenses go for it , I have long abandoned full frame and use one of the latest Olympus bodies but thankfully there are adaptors available that allow me to use the older ( slightly heavier but a lot cheaper ) four thirds pro lenses , which albeit slightly slower to focus produce exactly the same results as modern ones . So I can mix and match as required
 
tikkathreebarrel said:
I certainly think this is the silliest of notions but I find myself drawn to the EOS 5D Mk1.

I had a 5D about a hundred years ago as an upgrade from a 40D and it was there I fell in lerv with FF. I learned how to use a 5D with L lenses and old mount-adapted non EF lenses.

Then along came the 5D11 and I traded up. The 5D11 did sterling service until early 2024 when I succumbed to progress and added a 5D111 becoming tikka two bodies!

I'm still learning how to manipulate the 5D111 and it saddens me that the camera, my copy at least, refuses to recognise vintage lenses on adapters all of which are old friends on the 5D11.

So I've got two perfectly good FF bodies in lovely working order. I'm only a hobby photographer and I have no qualms about taking a FF body where some entirely sensible folks would pocket something smaller.

And now I'm wasting time gazing at the original 5D on t'ebay. With a bit of luck it'll pass before the month ends: must be post-Christmas wallet wirthdrawl symptoms!
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Have you tried a different adapter on the 5D iii? I’m not sure why your adapter works on the ii but not the iii.

I still have a 5D and I really like the images from that sensor, however I rarely use it these days given its limitations compared with more modern cameras. These may not be an issue for you.

The price of the original 5D is really low, so go for it. If you buy and don’t like it you will probably be able to sell with little or no loss.
 
Dave is right ^^^^ :) I lost interest in Canon in 2015ish ;) :ROFLMAO:

But all joking aside :)

I think it depends on what you do & what you shot...... But my thinking would be sell the Mk2 & buy a Mk1. Mk1 with your vintage adapted glass for your relaxed pleasure & the more modern Mk3 for when you need some bells & whistles ;)
 
Not sure what's so different compared to 5dii which has that softer old digital look.
I did have the 5Dii and the saved files from it work well now with good software like lightroom to make them shine.
Not sure I'd want another though as they were a bit dinosaurish if you wanted any kind of video a major thing for me now.
 
tikkathreebarrel said:
I'm still learning how to manipulate the 5D111 and it saddens me that the camera, my copy at least, refuses to recognise vintage lenses on adapters all of which are old friends on the 5D11.
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The only problem I have had using old lenses on adapters with my 5Diii is mirror clearance issues with certain mount types and protruding rear elements. Never had a mk1 or 2 but I read the mk3 has a little bit more room in that regard anyway. I do know some AF confirm chipped adapters wont work on the mk3 which do on the 1 & 2 but I think other/ later AF confirm chips do work.
 
Brentor said:
Have you tried a different adapter on the 5D iii? I’m not sure why your adapter works on the ii but not the iii.

I still have a 5D and I really like the images from that sensor, however I rarely use it these days given its limitations compared with more modern cameras. These may not be an issue for you.

The price of the original 5D is really low, so go for it. If you buy and don’t like it you will probably be able to sell with little or no loss.
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Yes, different adapters and it doesn't make any sense. Even tried cleaning the contacts on the body and the adapters. Maybe I'll have another crack over the weekend: at least you've helpfully confirmed that it's a glitch.
 
RyanB said:
The only problem I have had using old lenses on adapters with my 5Diii is mirror clearance issues with certain mount types and protruding rear elements. Never had a mk1 or 2 but I read the mk3 has a little bit more room in that regard anyway. I do know some AF confirm chipped adapters wont work on the mk3 which do on the 1 & 2 but I think other/ later AF confirm chips do work.
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That kinda fits!
 
4wd said:
Not sure what's so different compared to 5dii which has that softer old digital look.
I did have the 5Dii and the saved files from it work well now with good software like lightroom to make them shine.
Not sure I'd want another though as they were a bit dinosaurish if you wanted any kind of video a major thing for me now.
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You can do video for me sir: I have no interest.
 
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That kinda fits!
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I am pretty sure you can get the updated chips standalone and remove the old ones and re-glue in the newer ones so you don't have to replace the whole apdapter. I can't find it now but on a MF lens site I was reading a while ago someone was claiming you could rewrite the firmware on the older chips too but I never bookmarked the page and I have no idea how intensive the process was or what equipment was needed.
 
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When I had a 5D I thought it was the best camera I'd ever had but I came to dislike the drawbacks, it was big and heavy, the sensor was constantly suffering contamination, you're limited to a low by todays standards max ISO and when trying to protect the highlights and boosting the shadows later there was noise. I took some of my favourite pictures with a 5D but these days I think I've lost any nostalgia I had for that camera and honestly a MFT gives better image quality let alone an early FF mirrorless like the A7 which simply crushes the 5D plus mirrorless cameras are much much better for using manual lenses on.

I say take the rose tinted glasses off and put your money into something newer and better and mirrorless. Sorry for the brutal honesty but you are free to buy whatever you want but I'll make a prediction... After the honeymoon is over you'll get rid. :D
 
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When I had a 5D I thought it was the best camera I'd ever had but I came to dislike the drawbacks, it was big and heavy, the sensor was constantly suffering contamination, you're limited to a low by todays standards max ISO and when trying to protect the highlights and boosting the shadows later there was noise. I took some of my favourite pictures with a 5D but these days I think I've lost any nostalgia I had for that camera and honestly a MFT gives better image quality let alone an early FF mirrorless like the A7 which simply crushes the 5D plus mirrorless cameras are much much better for using manual lenses on.

I say take the rose tinted glasses off and put your money into something newer and better and mirrorless. Sorry for the brutal honesty but you are free to buy whatever you want but I'll make a prediction... After the honeymoon is over you'll get rid. :D
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Me? Avoiding the big step to mirrorless? Are you kidding? :mad::p:p
 
I had a 5Dmk1 for 8 years, I loved the files it produced, but it was slow and heavy. Eventually I moved to Fuji. 6 months later I needed to do some headshots for work, knowing how good the files from the 5D were I borrowed my dad's, along with an 85f1.8. However the 5D felt totally alien in my hands, everything felt so slow and settings changes weren't reflected in the viewfinder. The images came out nice though, but it stopped me looking back.
 
I shuddered at the mention of the original 5D. I moved up to one from a 10D back in the day (2004 ish, I think, from Jessops in Livingston ) and was wowed by the output. However, like @woof woof , I soon became adept at the art of removing dust from the sensor. I’ll swear it bred the stuff. Even without changing lenses, it was almost constantly there. But I suppose nostalgia could be a good reason for getting one again. However, I’ve not touched a Canon since.
 
I ran a couple of 5D bodies for a while, often with my Tamron AD2 lenses.

Never had any obvious problems with them...

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If I were to get an old Canon DSLR it would be the 5Dmk2, perhaps mk3 for dual cards.

I think the sensor in the mk3 is nicer. I shot a wedding with them side to side and the files out of the mk3 were more pleasing…although indistinguishable after editing.

I used the 5D line so much that I developed a muscle memory on them, even after 8 years with Sony I picked up a R3 and immediately able to do the things I did before, I felt home when I picked it up….made me a little sad.
 
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Not that much wrong with 5d3 but you definitely get the most out of it with magic lantern and a nice geared head tripod. Great for architectural jobs and ovf is a huge bonus here.
Manual adapted lenses would be far work best with mirror less bodies where you can at least actually get something in focus before you fall asleep
 
Raymond Lin said:
If I were to get an old Canon DSLR it would be the 5Dmk2, perhaps mk3 for dual cards.

I think the sensor in the mk3 is nicer. I shot a wedding with them side to side and the files out of the mk3 were more pleasing…although indistinguishable after editing.

I used the 5D line so much that I developed a muscle memory on them, even after 8 years with Sony I picked up a R3 and immediately able to do the things I did before, I felt home when I picked it up….made me a little sad.
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Which is, coincidentally, my current line-up!

Speaking of muscle memory I've got a low-mileage 1DS in a bag somewhere: talk about battery range anxiety!
 
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Stephen L said:
I shuddered at the mention of the original 5D. I moved up to one from a 10D back in the day (2004 ish, I think, from Jessops in Livingston ) and was wowed by the output. However, like @woof woof , I soon became adept at the art of removing dust from the sensor. I’ll swear it bred the stuff. Even without changing lenses, it was almost constantly there. But I suppose nostalgia could be a good reason for getting one again. However, I’ve not touched a Canon since.
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I think much of the contamination the 5D suffered from was internally generated. I've cleaned my own sensors a lot of times, I can't say how many times so I'll just say a lot. When I owned the 5D it drove me mad because I'd come home and process my pictures and clone out any contamination and clean the camera and put it away. The next time I'd get it out I'd check the sensor again before heading out and guess what? Can you guess? Sensor contamination again.

I suffer nostalgia as we probably all do but I will not be buying another 5D and to be honest my Panasonic GX80 beats it for image quality, the only thing it can't match or better is the shallow dof but IMO that's a small price to pay for all the other benefits including less sensor contamination.
 
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woof woof said:
I think much of the contamination the 5D suffered from was internally generated. I've cleaned my own sensors a lot of times, I can't say how many times so I'll just say a lot. When I owned the 5D it drove me mad because I'd come home and process my pictures and clone out any contamination and clean the camera and put it away. The next time I'd get it out I'd check the sensor again before heading out and guess what? Can you guess? Sensor contamination again.

I suffer nostalgia as we probably all do but I will not be buying another 5D and to be honest my Panasonic GX80 beats it for image quality, the only thing it can't match or better is the shallow dof but IMO that's a small price to pay for all the other benefits including less sensor contamination.
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I used to have the same trouble with my 30d. No matter how often I cleaned it and was very quick changing lens the senson was a dust magnet.
 
swanseamale47 said:
I used to have the same trouble with my 30d. No matter how often I cleaned it and was very quick changing lens the senson was a dust magnet.
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I had 300D, 10D, 20D and 5D. I think I used the 20D for 7 years but the 5D was IMO the worst of the lot and by far.
 
swanseamale47 said:
I've seen the mk1's go really cheap. Just add one to your set. ;)
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even mk4s are hardly worth anything now.... if these took ML I might get one, but as is these are now just as pointless unless you are desperate for a cheap solution.
 
woof woof said:
I had 300D, 10D, 20D and 5D. I think I used the 20D for 7 years but the 5D was IMO the worst of the lot and by far.
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all the early gen cameras were an utter dirt magnet. 5D3 was definitely brought under control. I could easily get 2 years between cleans, and now have to just go on because my usual shop closed down. There is no point sending it to Canon and paying 50-80% of actual camera cost and waiting like a month.... by f/8 you don't see most of it anyway. Just need a good glass, which 16-35 III is not exactly one.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
all the early gen cameras were an utter dirt magnet. 5D3 was definitely brought under control. I could easily get 2 years between cleans, and now have to just go on because my usual shop closed down. There is no point sending it to Canon and paying 50-80% of actual camera cost and waiting like a month.... by f/8 you don't see most of it anyway. Just need a good glass, which 16-35 III is not exactly one.
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I don't think 2 years between sensor cleans is realistic unless you don't mind or don't notice sensor contamination. I assume as you say "by f/8 you don't see most of it anyway" it doesn't bother you too much. I'm not tolerant of sensor contamination and I'd much rather have a clean sensor than clone out contamination in multiple pictures so good sensor coatings, in camera shake cleaning and wet cleaning are important to me and of course not having a flappy mirror mechanism shedding oil and debris all over the place might well help give mirrorless cameras an advantage.

Back on topic. I just don't see the appeal of the 5D these days. They may be cheap but there must be better cheaper options out there. As above, I'd take any of my MFT cameras over a 5D.
 
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... but as is these are now just as pointless unless you are desperate for a cheap solution.
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As I've written before: the very best camera in the world is whatever you have in your hands, when the picture's in front of you.
 
woof woof said:
But before it gets into your hand you need to buy it...
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...or been given it, borrowed it, found it or even made it out of cardboard and masking tape. :naughty:
 
woof woof said:
I don't think 2 years between sensor cleans is realistic unless you don't mind or don't notice sensor contamination. I assume as you say "by f/8 you don't see most of it anyway" it doesn't bother you too much. I'm not tolerant of sensor contamination and I'd much rather have a clean sensor than clone out contamination in multiple pictures so good sensor coatings, in camera shake cleaning and wet cleaning are important to me and of course not having a flappy mirror mechanism shedding oil and debris all over the place might well help give mirrorless cameras an advantage.
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trust me it is. 2 or 3 dabs of spot removal per image and I've never had a a complaint from a client about it. So it has to be good enough for them, and it is for me....
At f8 or below the spot needs to be pretty horrific to be actually visible, and only against fairly plain background. I have like 2 of these now. Not a big deal. 1DsII would have close to a 100 just weeks after a clean. I was silly enough to shoot at f/13 back in the day! Crappy old gen canon L glass didn't help with that for sure.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
...or been given it, borrowed it, found it or even made it out of cardboard and masking tape. :naughty:
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Obviously! I find like 5 of them every day all around the pavement.... NOT!
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
...or been given it, borrowed it, found it or even made it out of cardboard and masking tape. :naughty:
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1. If you are given one, see point 3.
2. Why on earth would you want to borrow one?
3. If you are given one or find one you should hand it in at the nearest police station. They can safely isolate it until the specialists arrive from Nikon or Sony and carry out a controlled explosion.
4. Yes you can make a camera. I was gifted a book with cut outs inside and I've no doubt the card cameras will work with film but they wouldn't be digital cameras would they?

I better stop now as there may be 5D owners reading this and getting upset.
 
I have a pair of dark glasses with a camera built in, so I don't even have to use my hands to record an image. Even I accept that the quality of the image is, shall we say less than stellar.

On the other hand, if it's all I have available, when a dinosaur lands her saucer in front of me... :tumbleweed:
 
woof woof said:
I better stop now as there may be 5D owners reading this and getting upset.
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Once I get rid of 5Ds I no longer care... This is pretty much the only one of the lot still retaining some value. For now these are great :naughty:
 
woof woof said:
I don't think 2 years between sensor cleans is realistic unless you don't mind or don't notice sensor contamination. I assume as you say "by f/8 you don't see most of it anyway" it doesn't bother you too much. I'm not tolerant of sensor contamination and I'd much rather have a clean sensor than clone out contamination in multiple pictures so good sensor coatings, in camera shake cleaning and wet cleaning are important to me and of course not having a flappy mirror mechanism shedding oil and debris all over the place might well help give mirrorless cameras an advantage.

Back on topic. I just don't see the appeal of the 5D these days. They may be cheap but there must be better cheaper options out there. As above, I'd take any of my MFT cameras over a 5D.
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I've never had a mk1 But I'm told they have an image quality thats different in some way to the later models, apparently they produce a lovely sort of image thats really great for portraits and street photography.
It would be interesting to see a comparrison between say a mk1 and a mk 3 or 4. Just to see whats different.
 
swanseamale47 said:
I've never had a mk1 But I'm told they have an image quality thats different in some way to the later models, apparently they produce a lovely sort of image thats really great for portraits and street photography.
It would be interesting to see a comparrison between say a mk1 and a mk 3 or 4. Just to see whats different.
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I really don't think there is or ever was much in it. It is all about the software you use and how you use it. 12MP will however severely limit printing and cropping ability making it mostly suitable for web output. 16-18MP is the point where you start getting a little bit more flexibility.... not great but you get by
 
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