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French priest killed, some reports say beheaded by armed men, hostages including nuns taken in a church, one critically injured.

Both hostage takers (presumably terrorists) killed by police, what is going on with this year of lunacy, just crazy
 
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I think sometimes that once a couple of things happen it snowballs. Maybe people find more confidence in carrying out such acts, or that they feel more justified in it.
 
could be a few things i guess, either the news are making more of a headline that normal about these events due to other recent atrocities or those events have "inspired" others to do the same.
 
tijuana taxi said:
French priest killed, some reports say beheaded by armed men, hostages including nuns taken in a church, one critically injured.

Both hostage takers (presumably terrorists) killed by police, what is going on with this year of lunacy, just crazy
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Terrible news yet again - they're claiming to be ISIS - surprise, surprise - the frequency of these attacks really do put into question what the authorities in Europe are doing to prevent these horrific incidents from happening at all. More worryingly is how many of the 1 million plus 'Syrians' who have travelled to Europe in the past couple of years have an agenda to carry out atrocities at some point. I suppose time will tell.
 
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neil_g said:
BBC saying throat slit, not beheaded. dont think the full facts are fully known just yet.
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Was that on BBC Radio/TV ?

Nothing at all on their website. Sky, CNN, Huffington Post and others have it.
 
cambsno said:
I think sometimes that once a couple of things happen it snowballs. Maybe people find more confidence in carrying out such acts, or that they feel more justified in it.
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I don't think these headbangers follow a train of thought that could be explained by any rational thinking. That is why there can never be any discussion or negotiation with them. Be as well shouting at the moon.
 
Another failing by authorities it seems? Worrying, very worrying indeed.

'Few details are yet known about the attackers, but Mohammed Karabila, a local Muslim leader, told the Associated Press that one of them had been "followed by police for at least a year and a half".

The French ITele website also said one of them had tried to reach Syria in May 2015 but was turned back at the Turkish border.

According to the report, he then spent nearly a year in prison before being released in March, on condition he wear an electronic tag and move back in with his parents.'
 
NeilA1975 said:
Terrible news yet again - they're claiming to be ISIS - surprise, surprise - the frequency of these attacks really do put into question what the authorities in Europe are doing to prevent these horrific incidents from happening at all. More worryingly is how many of the 1 million plus 'Syrians' who have travelled to Europe in the past couple of years have an agenda to carry out atrocities at some point. I suppose time will tell.
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Simply put, u can't do much to prevent these things. Anyone of us could copy nice attack at any point.
 
cambsno said:
Simply put, u can't do much to prevent these things. Anyone of us could copy nice attack at any point.
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but if these guys were already known to the security services surely more could have been done to prevent this and other attacks? Simply throwing our hands up saying you can't do much is not an option, almost validates the lack of response from the authorities. Shameful, how many more innocent people need to die?
 
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viv1969 said:
Brown people, in a widely Muslim country.
Not nearly sexy enough for mainstream outrage. :(
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Think it's more than that. If everything was reported the BBC news would last 7 hours rather than 30 mins.

Most important to us are events in our country followers by those close to us like France or ones we have close ties to like USA or Australia.
 
NeilA1975 said:
but if these guys were already known to the security services surely more could have been done to prevent this and other attacks? Simply throwing our hands up saying you can't do much is not an option, almost validates the lack of response from the authorities. Shameful, how many more innocent people need to die?
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Oh no. I agree with that but I was meaning that if people are unknown to authorities we can't stop this like we can pretty much stop people taking guns on planes. We can't prevent individuals carrying out the crimes.

Trouble is that had the Germans acted on these people the civil liberties groups would be up in arms about detaining people with mental issues and immigrants!!
 
cambsno said:
Think it's more than that. If everything was reported the BBC news would last 7 hours rather than 30 mins.

Most important to us are events in our country followers by those close to us like France or ones we have close ties to like USA or Australia.
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The white, non-muslim ones.
 
viv1969 said:
The white, non-muslim ones.
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They are but I don't get the point you are trying to make. I am sure Bangladesh TV focuses on its own country and similar/surrounding ones or that Latvia tv has a strong Russian and Eastern Europe slant.
 
cambsno said:
They are but I don't get the point you are trying to make. I am sure Bangladesh TV focuses on its own country and similar/surrounding ones or that Latvia tv has a strong Russian and Eastern Europe slant.
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My point is that no one acknowledges the fact that our (western Europe) deaths at the hands of alleged IS are outnumbered 1000/1 by those in the middle east.
 
viv1969 said:
My point is that no one acknowledges the fact that our (western Europe) deaths at the hands of alleged IS are outnumbered 1000/1 by those in the middle east.
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No one? I've heard it pointed out many times.
 
OldCarlos said:
No one? I've heard it pointed out many times.
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I haven't, not in mainstream western media.
Fair do's if I'm not looking hard enough.
 
viv1969 said:
My point is that no one acknowledges the fact that our (western Europe) deaths at the hands of alleged IS are outnumbered 1000/1 by those in the middle east.
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Perhaps more accurate to say that no one (i.e. damned few) here in the West is really too bothered about them killing each other over there. It seems to be just a very, very longstanding part of their culture and a daily occurrence. Too bad that we need to have any contact with them. However, we are where we are I suppose, and just have to deal with the present situation as best we can.

Joe Stalin said "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic". I guess that comes into play too.
 
viv1969 said:
I haven't, not in mainstream western media.
Fair do's if I'm not looking hard enough.
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Bl00dy hell, the news used to be full of incidents in the Middle East & from around the world.
Iraq, Iran, Syria............. I reckon the vast majority of folk understood Muslims were victims. It's only relatively recently that our news channels are obviously focussing & reporting nearer to home.

It was the same thing (in reverse) with the twin towers. It was pointed out that many muslims were also murdered in the atrocity.
 
viv1969 said:
My point is that no one acknowledges the fact that our (western Europe) deaths at the hands of alleged IS are outnumbered 1000/1 by those in the middle east.
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To be fair, I'm more concerned with what our authorities are doing to prevent attacks here, as opposed to what the Iraqi, Saudi, Turkish or Syrian authorities are doing to prevent attacks there.
 
viv1969 said:
I haven't, not in mainstream western media.
Fair do's if I'm not looking hard enough.
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I have, but just silently shrug my shoulders and reckon it will always remain thus unless the ME can evolve into a more amenable culture.
 
OldCarlos said:
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It was the same thing (in reverse) with the twin towers. It was pointed out that many muslims were also murdered in the atrocity.
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NeilA1975 said:
To be fair, I'm more concerned with what our authorities are doing to prevent attacks here, as opposed to what the Iraqi, Saudi, Turkish or Syrian authorities are doing to prevent attacks there.
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Exactly.
 
just whack jobs trying to divide us.
be strong and and with gods help these people will be defeated.
 
I don't want the help of any God that stands by and let's these atrocities happen in the first place thanks.

cambsno said:
They are but I don't get the point you are trying to make. I am sure Bangladesh TV focuses on its own country and similar/surrounding ones or that Latvia tv has a strong Russian and Eastern Europe slant.
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Japan isn't exactly surrounding us but yes as I say it's a westernised country. Plus its more sensational than some pesky mussies killing themselves right?
 
neil_g said:
I don't want the help of any God that stands by and let's these atrocities happen in the first place thanks.


Japan isn't exactly surrounding us but yes as I say it's a westernised country. Plus its more sensational than some pesky mussies killing themselves right?
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Its also out of the norm - bombings and the like in Iraq or Somalia are not 'news' as they happen every day. Not every shooting in USA is covered by national press, whereas over here (obviously partly as its home!) because things are rarer they do.
 
its all just mans inhumanity to man
 
cambsno said:
Think it's more than that. If everything was reported the BBC news would last 7 hours rather than 30 mins.
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24hrs of rolling news gives three repeats of a 7hr programme. Most of the headline "news" is over-discussed and under-reported in any case. No need to move the presenting team en masse to the location of an event they can't illustrate any more clearly than if they'd stayed in the London centre and utilised the local feeds like they used to. Cheaper too. Of course the BBC/ITN/Channel 4 presenters, producers and OB teams wouldn't get a weekend in Nice if they didn't all fly out to "cover the story".

There was a time that the 6pm news was an hour, with about 20 minutes international, 20 minutes national and 20 minutes regional. Which seems a useful balance for an outlook on life.
 
Mr Bump said:
just whack jobs trying to divide us.
be strong and and with gods help these people will be defeated.
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Yeah right...leave it to the sky fairies.:rolleyes:
 
Personally when anything really news worthy happens I flick through all the channels to get a balanced view ,even if that has to include the biased ones like cnn,fox and Al Jazeera
 
Mr Bump said:
and who the f*** are you banking on while youre sat in your house with the prosecco?
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Oh dear. Raw nerve?
You should be more secure in your "faith", and less worried about the thoughts of others.
It's that kind of intolerance that leads to extremism.
 
A monumental cock up by the French authorities it seems. One of the terrorists had twice attempted to access Syria, was tagged and under police surveillance and yet he managed 'slip' through and another innocent person pays the ultimate price. Indeed it is raises the question as to why this nob job wasn't behind bars?
 
NeilA1975 said:
A monumental cock up by the French authorities it seems. One of the terrorists had twice attempted to access Syria, was tagged and under police surveillance and yet he managed 'slip' through and another innocent person pays the ultimate price. Indeed it is raises the question as to why this nob job wasn't behind bars?
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He had been, but was released on license under "virtual house arrest" with the tag. The tag was disabled for the same period of time each day to allow him out; a practice I suspect they'll be reviewing.
 
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