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h14nha said:
This thread is now way way away from the TV show which provoked it, lets get back on track. To all the people calling others racist in this thread, ( the typical name calling of the left to stifle debate ) did you see the old ladies in the street clapping the EDL marching in Rotherham ? ? Do you think those old ladies are racist ? ? No they're not, they're people who can't be heard because a debate about race in this country is not allowed. Police were afraid to peer into the murky goings on, actually the raping of our children is the proper description, because they knew full well the same people shouting racist in this thread, will be the same people finger pointing, because the raping of children is easier on their conscience than name calling/labelling of minorities.

Did you notice the program was followed by another about Nigel Farage. A coincidence ? ? Never, thats the media lefties planting seeds. In Wales last night there was a program on asylum seekers. It was completely one sided, not a balanced thought provoking documentary but a frog marching of our 'train of thought' by the media again. And, before anyone jumps down my throat, I actually felt the guy who had claimed asylum was most welcome.............

We're not allowed to generalise about Muslims/Blacks/Asians etc, but its ok to label the Met as 'institutionally racist'. I'm sure the Met has racists working there, as does Tesco, The Post Office and British Gas. The majority though, I think not, but it suited some people to strengthen the fight against stop/search etc. In the 90's, Sir Paul Condon stated 8/10 muggings in the capital was committed by a young black male. The backlash that followed was typical. No one ever stated the stats were wrong, just he was wrong to say it..........

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Excellent post. I concur 100%.
 
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h14nha said:
This thread is now way way away from the TV show which provoked it, lets get back on track. To all the people calling others racist in this thread, ( the typical name calling of the left to stifle debate ) did you see the old ladies in the street clapping the EDL marching in Rotherham ? ? Do you think those old ladies are racist ? ? No they're not, they're people who can't be heard because a debate about race in this country is not allowed. Police were afraid to peer into the murky goings on, actually the raping of our children is the proper description, because they knew full well the same people shouting racist in this thread, will be the same people finger pointing, because the raping of children is easier on their conscience than name calling/labelling of minorities.

Did you notice the program was followed by another about Nigel Farage. A coincidence ? ? Never, thats the media lefties planting seeds. In Wales last night there was a program on asylum seekers. It was completely one sided, not a balanced thought provoking documentary but a frog marching of our 'train of thought' by the media again. And, before anyone jumps down my throat, I actually felt the guy who had claimed asylum was most welcome.............

We're not allowed to generalise about Muslims/Blacks/Asians etc, but its ok to label the Met as 'institutionally racist'. I'm sure the Met has racists working there, as does Tesco, The Post Office and British Gas. The majority though, I think not, but it suited some people to strengthen the fight against stop/search etc. In the 90's, Sir Paul Condon stated 8/10 muggings in the capital was committed by a young black male. The backlash that followed was typical. No one ever stated the stats were wrong, just he was wrong to say it..........

Welcome to Britain, not great Britain, just Britain.........
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Its a discussion thread. Thats what happens when you discuss things. The discussion moves on.

Just because you're a little old lady doesn't mean you'ree not racist. You may, or may not be. My Grandmother was the most racist person you could hope ( or rather not hope) to meet. She wasn't a sweet old lady either. That arguement is as valid as saying because someone is white, with no hair then they are automatically racist.

Now that said, you do have some interesting points, particularly about the police and how labels affect them
 
I agree as well. It is that perception, an almost self inflicted restriction to not discuss certain topics or say certain things that is the real danger. That is when things get bottled up, untrue stories and theories start being made up and it will explode at some point.

Heck just take a look at the person non grata list. Yep they do look exactly how we imagined they look. But we can't say it as one group or the other, mainly champagne lefties in my experience, will acuse you of all sorts.
 
h14nha said:
This thread is now way way away from the TV show which provoked it, lets get back on track. To all the people calling others racist in this thread, ( the typical name calling of the left to stifle debate ) did you see the old ladies in the street clapping the EDL marching in Rotherham ? ? Do you think those old ladies are racist ? ?
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if they support the EDL then yes i do, because the EDL are a bunch of racist fascists imo - one of the greater ironies I find in this sort of discussion is that people who get moist of eye about how britain used to be great, tend to forget that arguably our finest hour was standing virtually alone against facsism. ( a point that was well made by one veteran talking about Britain first hijacking the poppy day meme on facebook who essentially said 'the fallen we remember to day fell fighting against people with your views , not for them' )

Calling someone who discriminates based on the colour of someones skin, or their cultural values a racist isnt 'name calling' its accurate description of an unacceptable predjudice.

The other irony is that the far right knee jerk reaction against muslims is exactly what Al Queada, Isis etc want - so those who are most virulently opposed to them and favour things like the EDL are playing straight into their hands. You beat insurgents and terrorists by winning the hearts and minds of their potential supporters leaving them alone, vulnerable, and vilified as the minority of extremist nutters they usually are, not by alienating the entire population/religion /ethnic group from which they come and allowing to paint themselves as the good guys standing up against bigotted oppresion
 
h14nha said:
did you see the old ladies in the street clapping the EDL marching in Rotherham ? ? Do you think those old ladies are racist ? ? No they're not, they're people who can't be heard because a debate about race in this country is not allowed.
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No, I think they had no idea what they were clapping. "Look Ethel! A parade!"
 
big soft moose said:
one of the greater ironies I find in this sort of discussion is that people who get moist of eye about how britain used to be great, tend to forget that arguably our finest hour was standing virtually alone against facsism.
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Exactly. On another forum, some idiot was ranting about immigration saying this isn't what are grandfathers fought WW II for. I pointed out that it was a fight against intolerance, not a fight for the right to exclude foreigners.


Steve.
 
Steve Smith said:
Exactly. On another forum, some idiot was ranting about immigration saying this isn't what are grandfathers fought WW II for. I pointed out that it was a fight against intolerance, not a fight for the right to exclude foreigners.


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No, the war was to stop germany spreading further and further west and to keep us from speaking german, ie against foreign invasion.

We're getting invaded alright, just in a different way and the general apathy of the public will make it a roll over.
 
ST4 said:
No, the war was to stop germany spreading further and further west and to keep us from speaking german, ie against foreign invasion.

We're getting invaded alright, just in a different way and the general apathy of the public will make it a roll over.
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Sharia Law by stealth!!
 
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ST4 said:
No, the war was to stop germany spreading further and further west and to keep us from speaking german, ie against foreign invasion.
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Both of my grandfathers would have disagreed with you. It was a war against a horrible little man with a Charlie Chaplin moustache who had an intolerance for anyone disimilar to himself and went to great lengths to get rid of them from his country.


Steve.
 
Steve Smith said:
Both of my grandfathers would have disagreed with you. It was a war against a horrible little man with a Charlie Chaplin moustache who had an intolerance for anyone disimilar to himself and went to great lengths to get rid of them from his country.


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Mine would disagree, he wanted to keep Britain for Britain and not to be ravaged by the Germans.
 
PMK said:
If you were to estimate, when you think this will happen?
ST4 - go on you have a go as well.
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You don't think it will without intervention?? Bearing in mind there are areas 'unofficially' operating this already. George Galloway may be in a better position to offer the relevant statistics, time scales and eventual outcome.:cool:
 
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It was a war against a horrible little man with a Charlie Chaplin moustache who had an intolerance for anyone disimilar to himself and went to great lengths to get rid of them from his country.Steve.
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The thing I find curious about that, (and I don't disagree with your sentiment BTW)
was the fact that he was a dark haired short arse (well 5' 8") Austrian (Crippled from birth by a disfiguring hair cut ;) some will some won't get it )
That wanted to create a master race (Nordic types) That traditionally tended to be tall blond blue eyes etc.
 
Cobra said:
The thing I find curious about that, (and I don't disagree with your sentiment BTW)
was the fact that he was a dark haired short arse (well 5' 8") Austrian (Crippled from birth by a disfiguring hair cut ;) some will some won't get it )
That wanted to create a master race (Nordic types) That traditionally tended to be tall blond blue eyes etc.
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I would guess that he wanted to be a tall nordic muscle man and over compensated for his perceived deficiencies
 
ST4 said:
No, the war was to stop germany spreading further and further west and to keep us from speaking german, ie against foreign invasion.
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technically it was a war to prevent the invasion of poland !
 
PMK said:
If you were to estimate, when you think this will happen?
ST4 - go on you have a go as well.
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In the Netherlands this was discussed and parliament and calculated to be a possibility within two generations. The possibility being that it will have become the largest religious group within the country.

I do think these events should be discussed regarding any particular group for whatever the reason may be.
 
Steve Smith said:
Exactly. On another forum, some idiot was ranting about immigration saying this isn't what are grandfathers fought WW II for. I pointed out that it was a fight against intolerance, not a fight for the right to exclude foreigners.


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Exactly you and Pete are spot on here
am in nights so mind is a bit muddled !
but a lot of foreigners including for example polish people came here during WW2 to join up and fight with our own people against the nazis
 
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BRASH said:
You don't think it will without intervention?? Bearing in mind there are areas 'unofficially' operating this already. George Galloway may be in a better position to offer the relevant statistics, time scales and eventual outcome.:cool:
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Actually they are operating this officially. Just like the Jewish courts do the same thing. Legally there isn't a problem with it when it is regarding civil matters and both parties agree. I can't recall the exact name of the act that covers this.

It is a point used many a time to wind people up, in fact it has nothing to do with sharia, it is still British common law.
 
dejongj said:
Actually they are operating this officially. Just like the Jewish courts do the same thing. Legally there isn't a problem with it when it is regarding civil matters and both parties agree. I can't recall the exact name of the act that covers this.

It is a point used many a time to wind people up, in fact it has nothing to do with sharia, it is still British common law.
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I am aware of that but in addition there ARE areas 'unofficially' operating their form of Sharia law as well as 'no go' areas for non muslims.
 
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big soft moose said:
technically it was a war to prevent the invasion of poland !
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Yes, as we could at the time see history repeating itself. Like a spoilt child germany was not adhering to the rules of the Versailles treaty and that was the last straw.

I wonder what the last straw will be in Britain this time around...how long we can appease and dare not offend in our own country before we finally en mass say enough is enough...
 
Steve Smith said:
The Christianisation of our culture should have been resisted too.


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I think the problem is that you are talking about an era where it was unheard of to be an atheist. Resistance in those days would have gotten you burned.

We should never go back to those dark days, and I think there is a serious call to be made for a silly secular society. Then again, it won't be that simple as let's just look at France ;)
 
BRASH said:
I am aware of that but in addition there ARE areas 'unofficially' operating their form of Sharia law as well as 'no go' areas for non muslims.
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Hmm there was for a very short period a small issue in East London. That was very quickly stopped. Where else can you name this is happening today?
 
big soft moose said:
technically it was a war to prevent the invasion of poland !
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An unfortunate flaw in the plan of prevention, was that Germany invaded Poland 2 day before war was declared :lol: ;)
Stable door and locking spring to mind :lol:
 
ST4 said:
The fact it happened at all in British land is not on...the analogy of the house guest proving too burdensome to accomodate.
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s*** will always happen, it matters how it is resolved. This was swift action and haven't heard of it happening again. To me that is the sign of a good working society. However I happily stand corrected if you are aware of it happening elsewhere.
 
viv1969 said:
An unfortunate flaw in the plan of prevention, was that Germany invaded Poland 2 day before war was declared :LOL: ;)
Stable door and locking spring to mind :LOL:
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Yeah but Winnie did ask them politely to withdraw first :D
 
viv1969 said:
An unfortunate flaw in the plan of prevention, was that Germany invaded Poland 2 day before war was declared :LOL: ;)
Stable door and locking spring to mind :LOL:
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well true - to resist the invasion of poland would be more accurate, a large flaw was where poland is in relation to germany and britain - theres no sensible way we could have helped them directly
 
ST4 said:
I wonder what the last straw will be in Britain this time around...how long we can appease and dare not offend in our own country before we finally en mass say enough is enough...
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I'm not convinced we are appeasing or not daring to offend

most of what you'd describe in those terms i'd say come more under "how long can we not be a facist police state run by ignorant bigots" - the answer to which i'd hope is 'for ever'
 
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