Their name is Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah or Islamic Resistance Movement. They want to establish an Islamic Caliphate, so nothing really like the real or continuity IRA.
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Their name is Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah or Islamic Resistance Movement. They want to establish an Islamic Caliphate, so nothing really like the real or continuity IRA.
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imo thats just hot air .. the palestininans want palestine (with some justification - we really stuffed that up), in order to have a realistic chance of taking on the IDF they need arms and explosives and/or money to buy them ... when russia/china were the dominant oposition to the west lots of terrorists claimed to be marxist or socialist in order to get finance and support. Now the dominant opposition is AQ and ISIS it makes sense for them to proffess militant islam
IMO I doubt they mean it anymore than they did their love of marx
IMO I doubt they mean it anymore than they did their love of marx
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gee one religion nicks bits from an older religion. Its not really news is it. Cause thats never happened before. Easter or Christmas anyone?
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Didnt Osiris in Isis worship rise again from the dead after 4 days too ?
(although IIRC his body was cut into parts and cast into the nile and Isis collected them together before having vigorous sex with them which caused him to... ahem... rise again )
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Actually what is interesting is the mixed race children, dilution, changing of the race, beliefs etc. It's not as black and white (sorry) as Steve thinks it is
Quotes from him like:
They want to ultimately build an Islamic Caliphate on the rubble of all civilizations. With the IRA you could at least negotiate towards a united Ireland. It is a bit more difficult to get round the table and negotiate the destruction of Judeo-Christian civilization.
They want to ultimately build an Islamic Caliphate on the rubble of all civilizations. With the IRA you could at least negotiate towards a united Ireland. It is a bit more difficult to get round the table and negotiate the destruction of Judeo-Christian civilization.
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except that the IRA proffesed to be marxist and wanted the destruction of capitalist society ... they didnt really of course, all they wanted was for russia to keep shipping them semtex and AK47s - much like the average palestinian doesnt give a toss about the Islamic caliphate but wants money and guns from saudi/iran/isis etc
People believe that Muhammad 'split the moon in two' and 'flew off to heaven on a winged horse' or other revelations and miracles. That's fine to believe that, but don't try and force me to believe it or use it as justification for violence.
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Yeah that quote doesn't actually say that though?
Benny Hinn has said that he would like to kill his critics with a "Holy Ghost machine gun".
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rather like people believe that jesus walked on water and fed 5000 with two loaves and two fishes, and turned water into wine ... thats fine to believe too, but again shouldn't be forced down anyones throat or used as a justification for violence...
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Rather than believe flawed statistics from the government, I go with what I see and what I know. The government doesn't even know where over 100k illegals are, how on earth do you expect me to believe their stats when they are so blatantly false.
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course technically he's right - the whole european population (bar a few picts) came out of the east in waves about 2000-3000 years ago..
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course the real irony is that attitudes like this are what AQ/ISIS want as it helps them paint the west as ignorant racist bigots out to destroy their culture and thus helps with radicalising some disenchanted young men
Yes of course, but the press or journalists and cartoonists aren't fearful of publishing or drawing cartoons of Jesus in case they get shot or blown up. We aren't waging a war on terror against Christian fundamentalists. We are fighting Islamic fundamentalists who want to turn countries into backwards religious totalitarian Caliphates.
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As long as we continue to sit back and simply watch them do just that in countries such as Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Nigeria..... but cry and wail when they strike closer to home, we're fighting no kind of war at all.
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So every ten years the country that you so love, holds a census, rather like in the time of the birth of Jesus. From this, the office of statistics (who are a rather dry bunch of people) produce raw data from which various trends and information is produced.
What statistics are you using? A walk through Glasgow or Leeds? I dare say I'd think I'd see yorkshiremen or scottish people.
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We're not at war. Our Government is too spineless to engage. Even in Afghanistan our troops were restricted by poor equipment and rules of engagement which at times meant they couldn't even fire on identified targets until they were fired on first, thus risking unnecessary losses before we'd even started. What a tragic waste of life of our brave boys who gave up everything for our country, for what???
I doubt any Marxism ideology would still be relevant today, it is for another era and with notorious infighting in the republican movement you have to wonder how long that would have lasted as a viable option. The old joke about the IRA went: Whenever three IRA men are gathered together, the first item on the agenda is the split. The IRA wanted to achieve a united Ireland by ending British rule which is something that could be worked towards and compromised with. Hamas want the destruction of Israel, to "raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine" and to "wipe out the organisations which are the enemy of humanity and Islam".
I can't see Israel negotiating its own destruction.
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unless you are a school kid on a norwegian island, a black in the far south, a victim of the una bomber, someone running or working at an abortion clinic, a lebanese muslim at sabra or shatila, or a ugandan peasant etc ... then christian fundamentalism is quite a big deal
unless you are a school kid on a norwegian island, a black in the far south, a victim of the una bomber, someone running or working at an abortion clinic, a lebanese muslim at sabra or shatila, or a ugandan peasant etc ... then christian fundamentalism is quite a big deal
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you still arent getting it
Hamas say they want an islamic caliphate, just like the IRA say they wanted an end to capitalism - so that someone with those view would give them guns and money.
what they actually want is palestine back
of course isreal don't want that , as indeed many protestants and some catholics don't want a united ireland.
neither is a negotiable position
The US uses drones in Yemen and in Syria and Iraq it has attacked ISIS or AQ. There is a lot of distrust between the countries that Boko Haram threaten. Really Nigeria should be sorting out Boko Haram better, but just recently well trained and disciplined soldiers from Chad have joined the fight which should help. We can't really put boots on the ground in these places.
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Hamas are saying it because they believe it. They believe it to such an extent they will strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves and others up for it. They inculcate their children to believe it and if anyone dared to commit apostasy they would kill them for it. They love death like we love life. If they say their programme is Islam and they want to destroy Israel and establish a Caliphate then all evidence of their terrorism and violence points to that.
With the IRA and Marxist ideology and the infighting and shifting of the times I don't get that same zeal.
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we didnt have a problem putting boots on the ground in iraq in 2003 - but of course our gutless politicians pulled them out before the job was done so now they'll have to go back and do it again
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they want to destroy Isreal - but i strongly doubt that having got palestine back they'd be willing to hand control to an islamic council in saudi - if you saw how palstinian migrant workers are treated in saudi you'd know why.
(the issue is that palestinians are a semitic people - basically jews who changed religion when palestine was under turkish rule - they arent arabs, and the arab muslims tend to see them as second class ctizens, the arabs might be willing to fund them to give the Isrealis and the west a headache , but if "the islamic caliphate' ever became a reality you'd pretty soon see palestinians fighting against it for their independence)
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The al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades or the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades are more than just rhetoric. All caliphates have to start somewhere. Don't forget Hamas kills Palestinian civllians who disagree and Fatah members by pushing them off tall buildings and Israeli soldiers.
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It's pure rhetoric. Nothing more. If you were trying to untie people behind you, in a country that (rightly or wrongly) is pretty downtrodden I'm sure you'd tell them what you thought they wanted to hear.
Seeing as the reality is little more then a few rockets against one of the better equipped militaries of the world how seriously do you want to take it?
ISIS, al-Qaida, AQAP, Hamas, Boko Haram are not just spouting rhetoric. They are backing up threats with real violence and action. Hamas doesn't even acknowledge the right of Israel to exist. Israel cannot afford to lose even one war.
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Jesus, it was things Hamas had said one minute. Now it's every Islamic group you can think of. Discussing something with you is a little random. To say the least.
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whilst i'm not condoning terrorism , how would you feel if the united nations decided that england didnt exist any more and it was now a new nation belonging to a different ethinic group and you were now a second class citizen with no real rights.
tbh i'd be pretty p***ed off , and i wouldnt recognise that nation's right to exist either
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No, but various factions who'd have Israel obliterated have been mentioned. All I'm saying is it won't happen.
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Whether you want it to or not, this I agree with. It is a force to be reckoned with and has the backing of the good ol US
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I don't disagree - all i'm saying is i can see why the palestinans are a bit p***ed off - Palestine had a right to exist as well until the Allies decided otherwise (basically out of guilt for not doing something about the holocaust earlier)
I blame the americans - if they'd joined in our side in 1938 instead of sitting on their thumb until '41 (and yes i know a lot of individuals didnt, i'm talking about the govt) the third reich would never have really got going and the war would have been over much faster, the hollocaust wouldnt have happened and there'd have been no reason not to just give 'british palestine' independence like various other colonies
This thread is now way way away from the TV show which provoked it, lets get back on track. To all the people calling others racist in this thread, ( the typical name calling of the left to stifle debate ) did you see the old ladies in the street clapping the EDL marching in Rotherham ? ? Do you think those old ladies are racist ? ? No they're not, they're people who can't be heard because a debate about race in this country is not allowed. Police were afraid to peer into the murky goings on, actually the raping of our children is the proper description, because they knew full well the same people shouting racist in this thread, will be the same people finger pointing, because the raping of children is easier on their conscience than name calling/labelling of minorities.
Did you notice the program was followed by another about Nigel Farage. A coincidence ? ? Never, thats the media lefties planting seeds. In Wales last night there was a program on asylum seekers. It was completely one sided, not a balanced thought provoking documentary but a frog marching of our 'train of thought' by the media again. And, before anyone jumps down my throat, I actually felt the guy who had claimed asylum was most welcome.............
We're not allowed to generalise about Muslims/Blacks/Asians etc, but its ok to label the Met as 'institutionally racist'. I'm sure the Met has racists working there, as does Tesco, The Post Office and British Gas. The majority though, I think not, but it suited some people to strengthen the fight against stop/search etc. In the 90's, Sir Paul Condon stated 8/10 muggings in the capital was committed by a young black male. The backlash that followed was typical. No one ever stated the stats were wrong, just he was wrong to say it..........
Welcome to Britain, not great Britain, just Britain.........
Did you notice the program was followed by another about Nigel Farage. A coincidence ? ? Never, thats the media lefties planting seeds. In Wales last night there was a program on asylum seekers. It was completely one sided, not a balanced thought provoking documentary but a frog marching of our 'train of thought' by the media again. And, before anyone jumps down my throat, I actually felt the guy who had claimed asylum was most welcome.............
We're not allowed to generalise about Muslims/Blacks/Asians etc, but its ok to label the Met as 'institutionally racist'. I'm sure the Met has racists working there, as does Tesco, The Post Office and British Gas. The majority though, I think not, but it suited some people to strengthen the fight against stop/search etc. In the 90's, Sir Paul Condon stated 8/10 muggings in the capital was committed by a young black male. The backlash that followed was typical. No one ever stated the stats were wrong, just he was wrong to say it..........
Welcome to Britain, not great Britain, just Britain.........
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