An Independent Scotland?

Moadib said:
I know the quote well (and I assure you I have given thought to it, thanks), but how is it relevant? That is not our country. It is up to us to control our actions, our country, our politicians - that is what the quote is saying.

When we start entering other people's houses and telling them what to do - they will fight us. That is absolutely to be expected. Of course we think we re right - but that confers nothing. They believe they are right - do we consider they are then justified to invade Scotland and educate us? Of course not - so why do,we claim such a right for ourselves? And why do we expect no retaliation?

In my opinion we should remain unentangled, but if we want the economic spoils, we can't expect it to be consequence free?
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Just stop and think one minute if these people got their hands on nuclear weapons would you feel safe do you really think if you hadn't done anything to them they would leave you alone anyone who can bury women and children alive can do anything. Why attack aid workers anyone can see all they are trying to do is help people they share the same religious beliefs as some of the people they are killing. Be my guest if you declare independence to go out and tell them personally you don't believe the UK should have sided with the Americans and everyone else against them. I really wouldn't advise it though.
 
ancient_mariner said:
This kind of thing is a natural reaction to the independence movement, in much the same way that Irish jokes were all the thing until the peace process began to work. It's just unthinking tribalism reacting to more tribalism, and mocking is a way of reducing the perceived threat. You do realise that the way an independent Scotland is being presented looks like tribalism and threatening, don't you? As an Austrian that grew up in the UK, I have a certain amount of detachment that gives a slightly different perspective.
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Fair doos, but as a Scot, growing up in Scotland, I have a lot of attachment that gives a much different perspective:p
 
dejongj said:
Oh cheer up he didn't even mention the ugly stick :p Seriously though, I'm sure you've got similar lists for the rest of the UK. Ok, lets be frank amongst friends, about the English....Post it up, I fancy a laugh :)
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Ok, here goes....
1. Scotland wins independence, and Spain wants to keep fishing in our waters, so let's us join the Euro.
2. The markets collapse completely, and the only way the UK can survive is to agree to a currency union.
3. Scotland strikes oil off the West Coast of Scotland, and it's the biggest find in the world.
4. Scotland cancels the currency union and tells Westminster to do one.
5. All the large cities see rioting, as they are unhappy with how poor they've become, and want to become annexes of Scotland
6. Salmonds wall is built at the Watford Gap, to keep the Deep South out of the new, larger Scotland.
7. Scotland decides to lend money at extortionate interest rates to allow the south to survive.
8. The south Becomes bankrupt, and Scotland takes full control.
9. The country is renamed to the United Scottish Kingdom.
10. I waken up when I fall out of bed....:arghh:
 
And by the way, some of it is true......which bits?.........you decide (in a Geordie accent)
 
lost said:
Just stop and think one minute if these people got their hands on nuclear weapons would you feel safe do you really think if you hadn't done anything to them they would leave you alone anyone who can bury women and children alive can do anything. Why attack aid workers anyone can see all they are trying to do is help people they share the same religious beliefs as some of the people they are killing. Be my guest if you declare independence to go out and tell them personally you don't believe the UK should have sided with the Americans and everyone else against them. I really wouldn't advise it though.
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Indeed. And they are looking at people who HAVE nuclear weapons, and have invaded their country. They have none, and have never invaded us.

Edit - and once again, I assure you I have thought, and for future responses from me that will always be the case.
 
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Bobsyeruncle said:
Ok, here goes....
1. Scotland wins independence, and Spain wants to keep fishing in our waters, so let's us join the Euro.
2. The markets collapse completely, and the only way the UK can survive is to agree to a currency union.
3. Scotland strikes oil off the West Coast of Scotland, and it's the biggest find in the world.
4. Scotland cancels the currency union and tells Westminster to do one.
5. All the large cities see rioting, as they are unhappy with how poor they've become, and want to become annexes of Scotland
6. Salmonds wall is built at the Watford Gap, to keep the Deep South out of the new, larger Scotland.
7. Scotland decides to lend money at extortionate interest rates to allow the south to survive.
8. The south Becomes bankrupt, and Scotland takes full control.
9. The country is renamed to the United Scottish Kingdom.
10. I waken up when I fall out of bed....:arghh:
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Or everyone is ok you lose friends south of the border

If not that we send in the balifs to collect the debt

Maybe we scuttle the nuclear subs in the waters off west coast Scotland

In event of yes which I mentioned a few posts ago

I feel sorry for those who voted no

Probably many will be glad that the moaning about how bad things are for you is over try NE England see poverty in action

We won't have to see Alex Salmond on tv as much

Fwiw as much as I love the Scottish nation and people in the past most of my adult life the nationalist have winged and harped on I will probably be glad you have your way and get out of the marriage you hate so much

If a vote does come for currency union even if the alternative is alliance with Russia I would vote no I am only one person but I won't forget that the Scottish break the union and what my parents and yours fought for

I don't wish you harm in any shape or form I hope it works out for you but I for one will not if the vote is yes will not buy items I identify as from Scotland I will support rUK

Best of luck both sides I for one am past caring if it's yes and the no camp wish to remain in the rUK they will be welcome south of border as far as I am concerned

My next post in this thread will be after the vote to offer congratulations who ever wins 2 years deserves that at least

Allan
 
border_all said:
Or everyone is ok you lose friends south of the border

If not that we send in the balifs to collect the debt

Maybe we scuttle the nuclear subs in the waters off west coast Scotland

In event of yes which I mentioned a few posts ago

I feel sorry for those who voted no

Probably many will be glad that the moaning about how bad things are for you is over try NE England see poverty in action

We won't have to see Alex Salmond on tv as much

Fwiw as much as I love the Scottish nation and people in the past most of my adult life the nationalist have winged and harped on I will probably be glad you have your way and get out of the marriage you hate so much

If a vote does come for currency union even if the alternative is alliance with Russia I would vote no I am only one person but I won't forget that the Scottish break the union and what my parents and yours fought for

I don't wish you harm in any shape or form I hope it works out for you but I for one will not if the vote is yes will not buy items I identify as from Scotland I will support rUK

Best of luck both sides I for one am past caring if it's yes and the no camp wish to remain in the rUK they will be welcome south of border as far as I am concerned

My next post in this thread will be after the vote to offer congratulations who ever wins 2 years deserves that at least

Allan
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Eh? You do realise my post was tongue in cheek?
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Oh, I nearly forgot. We take over the BBC and play re-runs of Braveheart 24/7:p
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Have you forgotten how it ends? :p

I seem to remember it wasn't particularly favourable :D
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
You know us Scots, we're not that bothered what happens at the end.:p
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LOL
But there are a few sweating on an up coming referendum and how that ends :D
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Ok, here goes....
1. Scotland wins independence, and Spain wants to keep fishing in our waters, so let's us join the Euro.
2. The markets collapse completely, and the only way the UK can survive is to agree to a currency union.
3. Scotland strikes oil off the West Coast of Scotland, and it's the biggest find in the world.
4. Scotland cancels the currency union and tells Westminster to do one.
5. All the large cities see rioting, as they are unhappy with how poor they've become, and want to become annexes of Scotland
6. Salmonds wall is built at the Watford Gap, to keep the Deep South out of the new, larger Scotland.
7. Scotland decides to lend money at extortionate interest rates to allow the south to survive.
8. The south Becomes bankrupt, and Scotland takes full control.
9. The country is renamed to the United Scottish Kingdom.
10. I waken up when I fall out of bed....:arghh:
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The original list was rubbish, as a humorous response that's not bad.
 
I've mentioned many times the financial penalties to affect us all if there's a yes vote and I've found another.

If Scotland becomes I dependant then many pension funds in both Scotland and the rest of the uk will be deemed as cross border. Under eu rules these have to be fully funded, currently when labour changed the rules, they only have to show how they will make up the deficit.

The pensions black hole at the moment is something like £120bn, RBS alone is £5.5bn. Obviously not all that needs to be instantly filled but a significant amount would, which will affect businesses recovery as they need to fill the deficit.

The next issue could be how long negotiations take over the split. If these are protracted, could you see businesses willing to invest with the ongoing uncertainty?
 
Have the yes campaign say what's going to happen to isas? That's a uk based tax savings scheme.
 
Byker28i said:
Have the yes campaign say what's going to happen to isas? That's a uk based tax savings scheme.
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Should be taxed when taking out the funds and moved across the border. And changed within 90 tax to a taxable saving scheme for foreign investors. Alternative it will be figured out later.
 
Byker28i said:
Have the yes campaign say what's going to happen to isas? That's a uk based tax savings scheme.
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I asked the very same question and was told don't worry it will all be sorted. Not a very convincing answer. The devil is in the detail.

I like detail, the trouble is most of the rhetoric the Separatists regurgitate is just shallow with no depth or detail. How anyone can make a considered opinion on something that is so important is beyond me.
 
From the Telegraph on ISAs and other financial dealings:

The Scottish Government’s White Paper on independence said: “In an independent Scotland, this government will continue to support existing tax-free savings products, like savings and investment Isas. Existing schemes will be honoured in full following independence.”

Even if Scottish voters say yes to independence, nothing will change for at least two years. Any money you hold with them, perhaps in a cash account before you invest it, should be protected by the UK-wide Financial Services Compensation Scheme up to a total of £85,000 (although beware that this total will include any money you hold directly with the bank in question).
 
simon ess said:
Nobody seems to want to respond to this.

So...

If it's a no, you got lucky.

If it's a yes, you got what you deserve.
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I just saw that. I agree to a certain extent. There's also a strong no movement who aren't making a noise, just waiting to vote. Most Scots don't bang their drum too loudly
 
[QUOTE="Laudrup, post: 6473699, member: 17192"
Even if Scottish voters say yes to independence, nothing will change for at least two years. Any money you hold with them, perhaps in a cash account before you invest it, should be protected by the UK-wide Financial Services Compensation Scheme up to a total of £85,000 (although beware that this total will include any money you hold directly with the bank in question).[/QUOTE]

I read that telegraph article, it said protected until March 16 2016, not quite 2 years

It also said the Scottish Government says it will set up its own equivalent to the FSCS. The trouble is, will they have the reserves, or the borrowing capability to cover another banking collapse. As I've mentioned a few times, the income and expenses don't balance. That's a wait and see.

That article also mentioned Like all government departments, HMRC refuses to discuss what might happen to Isa rules in the event of a "yes" vote, saying: "We believe that the Union is going to be protected – we have not made any plans because government policy is going to be maintained."

As I've also said, With the whole mix of financial services, any split is only going to have a detrimental effect on everyone.
 
Byker28i said:
I read that telegraph article, it said protected until March 16 2016, not quite 2 years

It also said the Scottish Government says it will set up its own equivalent to the FSCS. The trouble is, will they have the reserves, or the borrowing capability to cover another banking collapse. As I've mentioned a few times, the income and expenses don't balance. That's a wait and see.

That article also mentioned Like all government departments, HMRC refuses to discuss what might happen to Isa rules in the event of a "yes" vote, saying: "We believe that the Union is going to be protected – we have not made any plans because government policy is going to be maintained."

As I've also said, With the whole mix of financial services, any split is only going to have a detrimental effect on everyone.
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It would be negotiated by 2016 which is enough time to iron out details like an ISA. Financial institutions wouldn't be campaigning for major change and uncertainty on the matter. It would be best for both parties to find something that resembles what we have just now.
 
Cobra said:
Have you forgotten how it ends? :p

I seem to remember it wasn't particularly favourable :D
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Maybe this one will have a better ending :LOL:

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Laudrup said:
From the Telegraph on ISAs and other financial dealings:

The Scottish Government’s White Paper on independence said: “In an independent Scotland, this government will continue to support existing tax-free savings products, like savings and investment Isas. Existing schemes will be honoured in full following independence.”

Even if Scottish voters say yes to independence, nothing will change for at least two years. Any money you hold with them, perhaps in a cash account before you invest it, should be protected by the UK-wide Financial Services Compensation Scheme up to a total of £85,000 (although beware that this total will include any money you hold directly with the bank in question).
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All the banks will be HQd in England anyway so FSCS will always apply. Companies like Tesco Bank, RBS etc which are HQd in Edinburgh are setting up domiciled companies in England as the bulk of their clients are in the UK not iScotland. The client base won't be effected nor will their isas.

The greater effect is on the Scottish customer as if their banks move south their funds are in a foreign country and the scots need to come up with similar legislation to safeguard Scottish savers in Scotland who wish to bank in Scotland.

Has Salmond thought that through, or are his policies catering for those that don't have much assets.

How does IHT work, when a wealthy person dies in Scotland. The bulk if their life they were uk residents. How much if any goes to the UK, what taxes does Salmond levie.

What's Salmonds position on house purchase taxes?
 
canon_togger said:
And you wonder why Scots want independence?
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Yes I do. All bar the last paragraph was tongue in cheek.

I think the UK is great and the Scots role in it is every bit as important as England, Wales and NI. I also know full well that probably the vast majority of Scots will not be put off what they feel passionate about by dire consequences, I think Scots often think and act with their hearts and not their heads. A couple of examples spring to mind, the lone piper on the Normandy beach in WW2 and the Glaswegian who gave the suicide bomber a 'slap' at Glasgow airport. This is just one of the traits that adds to the richness of the UK. Why break it up?
 
Is it time to have a TP Poll?

"Do you think Scotland will vote yes and gain Independence"
 
This may have been asked before in this forum's massive debate and isn't that important in the overall scheme of things but does anyone know what happens to things like the BBC, Met Office, National Lottery, Audit Commission, Inland Revenue, FCA, DVLA and all the millions of other governance/service/info based things currently supported by UK donations/taxpayers in the event of a 'Yes' vote?

Surely if Independence comes about then all of these things will have a transition period and an independent Scotland would have to create their own (if they choose to) versions of these things? Wouldn't the set-up costs for these be enormous? Governance costs huge swathes of cash at the outset and often, initial and ongoing costs are disproportionate to the numbers involved. For example, an Inland Revenue equivalent would still need similar resources whether collecting from 4 million people as 60 million? (I am sure starting from scratch would make that particular service more efficient in the long term but would still cost an enormous amount of cash and I'm sure you get what I mean).

I saw a BBC news item on Sport post a 'yes' vote and one of the interviewees said something along the lines of "we contribute to the National Lottery so the funds will still be there for training facilities" and I thought it was odd. Wouldn't the National Lottery just be for the smaller UK excluding Scotland?

Anyway, just interested
 
The cynic in me would say that Scotland is just about to have it's first National Lottery
 
Finste said:
What a sad comment. Anything, really, just anything is an excuse for Scots to get out their victims cards and wave them furiously with righteous indignation it seems. Thin skinned doesn't even begin to describe it.

Regards...
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I don't think its a sad comment, merely a response to someone having a sly dig at the Scots, whilst claiming to be tongue in cheek:p
Funny how the original post is acceptable, but the response is sad. And no, I don't feel victimised at all.
 
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