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I am set for almost 12 months now at £9.98 per month but when the increase does arise, I will pay annually.

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I've had a look at the Lightroom Queen's post and the link to Adobe's post about the price changes. It is all SO confusing!

What's with the proposal to close the Photography 20GB plan? Although Adobe say

"We will continue to support this plan for existing customers, "

we all know what Adobe's promises mean...... zilch.
 
I guess it was inevitable eventually but I still think it's good value for LR and PS. Last time I looked the Capture one sub was £20/month and that doesn't include PS.

Good to hear that they are not increasing the annual packages which means we should still see the same good deals on Amazon occasionally.

I'm paid up for a couple of years now
 
ecoleman said:
I guess it was inevitable eventually but I still think it's good value for LR and PS. Last time I looked the Capture one sub was £20/month and that doesn't include PS.

Good to hear that they are not increasing the annual packages which means we should still see the same good deals on Amazon occasionally.

I'm paid up for a couple of years now
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Yes, but we don't know how long Amazon will be able to continue to offer the annual plan at discount (I'm still not sure how they could in the past - either Adobe or Amazon is loosing money on the deal).
 
Why would you assume they are losing money on it? Adobe as a company is made over $5billion in 2024 so overall they are not going bust and couple of days a year sale of this isn't going to make a dent in their profit.

Plus, a lot of people still don't know about it, I see the question asked all the time "what is the cheapest way to get LR" in all sorts of groups on forums, Facebook, Reddit etc.
 
Faldrax said:
Yes, but we don't know how long Amazon will be able to continue to offer the annual plan at discount (I'm still not sure how they could in the past - either Adobe or Amazon is loosing money on the deal).
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Well Adobe have said they are not going to increase the price of Annual packages so nothing changes in that regards.

I doubt very much that Greedy Bezos is loosing money so you'll probably find that Adobe are reducing the price somewhat. It probably gives them a nice cash injection 2-3 times a year.
 
Faldrax said:
Yes, but we don't know how long Amazon will be able to continue to offer the annual plan at discount (I'm still not sure how they could in the past - either Adobe or Amazon is loosing money on the deal).
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It is the reciprocal relationship of dealer and supplier, with the buyer hooked either way. ;)

Semi seriously though, having a cheaper way for people to buy Adobe products makes the subscription model seem not as bad for many. "Yes, I don't like to pay a subscription, but at least Adobe is not getting all the money they want!" And I would assume it is a cash/user boost whenever Amazon have an offer on. They all win, and the user wins a little bit, or loses a bit less, depending on your pov, and feels a bit better about it all.
ecoleman said:
Well Adobe have said they are not going to increase the price of Annual packages so nothing changes in that regards.
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For now.

Watched this video a few months ago about subscriptions, and my what a way this is all going. :oops: :$ And in the video, he pays for the whole Adobe suite each month, part of his astonishing monthly subscription outlay! I won't spoil it for anyone who watches it, but think of a number before you watch it, and again when he states what he is subscribed to, and see how close you are. ;)

Once a company is in a position of dominance, they will normally try to take full advantage, especially if they are a company in the US, where shareholders can sue if the company are not maximising their profits, from what I have seen. After watching that video, Adobe seem quite restrained compared to some other companies. So far.;)
 
redhed17 said:
Watched this video a few months ago about subscriptions, and my what a way this is all going. :oops: :$ And in the video, he pays for the whole Adobe suite each month, part of his astonishing monthly subscription outlay! I won't spoil it for anyone who watches it, but think of a number before you watch it, and again when he states what he is subscribed to, and see how close you are. ;)
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I agree with most of what he said but the fact that he is paying what he is for subscriptions really is a "him" problem.
 
redhed17 said:
Watched this video a few months ago about subscriptions, and my what a way this is all going. :oops: :$ And in the video, he pays for the whole Adobe suite each month, part of his astonishing monthly subscription outlay! I won't spoil it for anyone who watches it, but think of a number before you watch it, and again when he states what he is subscribed to, and see how close you are. ;)
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I've watched his analysis of Uber's and it fails in describing Uber switching from 'giving the users the surplus' to 'giving the drivers the surplus'

There was no surplus. All of those cheap prices in the early days of Uber were subsidised by billions of dollars of investors' capital. Uber bought their market share with it - users were paying significantly less than the cost of providing the taxi service as the company made huge losses and continued to do so up to 2023.

Anyone who's purchasing the 'entire Adobe Creative Suite' is almost certainly using it for a business purpose; Adobe software is their tool for generating revenue - £57 per month is not to be sniffed at, but it's also not a huge amount in that context. Illustrator, Premiere and Acrobat have never been products aimed at the home hobbyist since I was working in computer retail selling them in the early 1990s. I struggle to see any equivalence between that and a Netflix or Playstation, which he's lumped in with all of his work subscriptions like Slack and Frame.io.
 
Box Brownie said:
I spotted reference to this on another forum

www.lightroomqueen.com

Skip the Adobe price increases, you can still pay the 2013 prices! | The Lightroom Queen

Way back in 2013, I clearly remember my shock when I was told that the new 20GB Photography Plan subscription would cost only $9.99 a month, and it would
www.lightroomqueen.com www.lightroomqueen.com

Now, I recall lots of folk here had top loaded their 'account' using Amazon offers.....so the above is FWIW
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Thanks for this... just changed my plan to yearly (photography 20GB).
For whatever reason, we never get the discount offers in the US.
 
while I have 2 more years they are going to get us to at least 1TB packages before you even know it. If anyone of you rely on this gen AI, you are well on your way there. I try to keep this to an absolute minimum in work, in part because it still doesn't work too well. The credit-free features like remove brush or smart selections are actually good time savers.
Also if you use adobe express, which personally was a bit of a disappointment, that will eat well over 20Gb before you even notice... Same for non-classic LR users.

they already got me by the balls with illustrator. Not sure how long I will need this, but the bill is not friendly there and has increased very substantially already.
 
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sk66 said:
Thanks for this... just changed my plan to yearly (photography 20GB).
For whatever reason, we never get the discount offers in the US.
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The $ cost of the plan is the same as the £ cost ie $120 and £120. The current exchange is £1 USD = £0.79. We always seem to lose out on exchange rates.

I'm not sure if you need to pay any sales taxes.
 
Brentor said:
The $ cost of the plan is the same as the £ cost ie $120 and £120. The current exchange is £1 USD = £0.79. We always seem to lose out on exchange rates.

I'm not sure if you need to pay any sales taxes.
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20% VAT is included in the UK price, but sales taxes are not included in the US price, which accounts for most of the difference

Companies also build in a margin for exchange fluctuations so that they don’t have revise their UK prices every few months when their internal accounting is in USD. In the last ten years the dollar has has been as low as 0.58/£ and as high as 0.92/£, but Adobe have kept their UK price entirely stable.

Finally, Adobe UK incurs costs for our smaller market (offices, staff, marketing and so on) that can be spread more thinly in the large market of the US.
 
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Good Q&A over on Lightroomkillertips -

lightroomkillertips.com

Adobe just raised prices – how to keep yours from going up - Lightroom Killer Tips

Don’t know if you’ve heard the news, but Adobe has made some price changes to their Photography Plan pricing, and I’m here today to help you navigate the new changes (and still keep paying the old price. What? Yup – I’ll show you how). I put together a quick Q&A to explain the new pricing: Q...
lightroomkillertips.com

I've just amended my subscription, from monthly, to annual (paid upfront).
 
I'm grateful there are still alternatives around. Alongside LRC I also run On1 Photoraw - upgraded from 2023 to 2025 for £48 on a BF deal, and that will keep going for a couple of years before I consider upgrading again. If Adobe get too expensive I'll just stop using them - the current version of LR has no advantages for me over On1 other than that's where my catalogue is, and it's easier to just keep going with what I (more-or-less) know.
 
Musicman said:
20% VAT is included in the UK price, but sales taxes are not included in the US price, which accounts for most of the difference
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Are you sure? I entered a US post code on the Amazon US site and no sales tax was added.
 
Musicman said:
Companies also build in a margin for exchange fluctuations so that they don’t have revise their UK prices every few months when their internal accounting is in USD. In the last ten years the dollar has has been as low as 0.58/£ and as high as 0.92/£, but Adobe have kept their UK price entirely stable.
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So always in favour of Adobe.
 
Adobe's terms of use, theirs vague and unclear clarification of how they can use your work and that it is just obvious that they will use it to feed theirs AI is just a stopper .. It should be an absolute stopper .. Adobe's pathetic overhaul of terms of service after backlash ++ that they are cloud based (and they are adobe with so many controversies) should give you enough red flags to reconsider using Adobe ... But we live in the world where everybody can have his or her own truth and things which would be considered as facts few years ago are now relative and featherweight .. Using Adobe should be viewed and considered primarily from moral and ethics perspective .. It's not year 2005 or 2010 .. there are plenty of choices available .. I consider Adobe vile and fallen and I am not going to feed the hydra (AI) just because I decided to stay blind for my own false impression of comfort (they very meticulously keep building that myth that there are no other serious choices)
 
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Brentor said:
Are you sure? I entered a US post code on the Amazon US site and no sales tax was added.
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That is pretty much what I said

US prices are usually advertised without sales tax included, with any taxes calculated and added at point of sale.

Whether sales taxes are due (or at what rate) on downloaded software depends on a patchwork of individual state laws;

www.avalara.com

State-by-state guide to the taxability of digital products and digital goods

How are digital products taxed in your state? Some states tax digital games and some don’t. Other states exempt digital goods and services. Learn about your state.
www.avalara.com www.avalara.com

The situation in Europe is considerably simpler. Consumer prices are advertised with VAT for each country included in the price you see.
 
Musicman said:
Finally, Adobe UK incurs costs for our smaller market (offices, staff, marketing and so on) that can be spread more thinly in the large market of the US.
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This is no doubt true, but the product is produced centrally and all you have to do is press a few buttons to buy.
 
Musicman said:
That is pretty much what I said

US prices are usually advertised without sales tax included, with any taxes calculated and added at point of sale.

Whether sales taxes are due (or at what rate) on downloaded software depends on a patchwork of individual state laws;

www.avalara.com

State-by-state guide to the taxability of digital products and digital goods

How are digital products taxed in your state? Some states tax digital games and some don’t. Other states exempt digital goods and services. Learn about your state.
www.avalara.com www.avalara.com

The situation in Europe is considerably simpler. Consumer prices are advertised with VAT for each country included in the price you see.
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For the US address I used, there was no sales tax.
 
I'm signed up till April 2027, wish I had got another year or two really - because it's likely that if the 20GB plan is no longer going to be available to new subscribers, they're not going to have more half-price offers. Why would they - because they won't be able to 'sell more', as it will only be going to those of us who are already subscribers.

Although you can still get it for under £80 at the moment?

 
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ntz said:
Adobe's terms of use, theirs vague and unclear clarification of how they can use your work and that it is just obvious that they will use it to feed theirs AI is just a stopper .. It should be an absolute stopper .. Adobe's pathetic overhaul of terms of service after backlash ++ that they are cloud based (and they are adobe with so many controversies) should give you enough red flags to reconsider using Adobe ... But we live in the world where everybody can have his or her own truth and things which would be considered as facts few years ago are now relative and featherweight .. Using Adobe should be viewed and considered primarily from moral and ethics perspective .. It's not year 2005 or 2010 .. there are plenty of choices available .. I consider Adobe vile and fallen and I am not going to feed the hydra (AI) just because I decided to stay blind for my own false impression of comfort (they very meticulously keep building that myth that there are no other serious choices)
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I thought that you could use photoshop offline, your images on your own hard drives
I don’t use Adobe myself though, when I retired on a fixed income I needed to cut back on a few things and Adobe was one of them ( not that it’s that expensive to be honest)
I found a combination of DXO photolab and Affinity photo does everything I need , indeed at the time for what I do was better than Lightroom/ photoshop anyway
 
LCPete said:
I thought that you could use photoshop offline, your images on your own hard drives
I don’t use Adobe myself though, when I retired on a fixed income I needed to cut back on a few things and Adobe was one of them ( not that it’s that expensive to be honest)
I found a combination of DXO photolab and Affinity photo does everything I need , indeed at the time for what I do was better than Lightroom/ photoshop anyway
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You can.

I think his/her tin foil hat is too tight
 
Eucris said:
I don't think anyone has yet.

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Or one might that as......

We have lulled you into a false of security and are going be taking more profit to reflect our ambitions to grow the company;)

I surmise it remains to be seen what the impact will be over the next 2-4 years for them? (Older customers jumping ship, newer ones discontent with what they are paying out compared to those, like many of you guys, who managed to pre-load a goodly period of 'credit' ?)
 
In 3 years when my credit has run out I shall be retired and then need to decide if they get dumped. I already see much less difference between LR and on1 than I did 2 years ago.
 
ecoleman said:
I think his/her tin foil hat is too tight
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says somebody who deliberately feels the need to share on the photography forum that he's `Proud Brexiteer, Covidiot and Man Made Climate Change Denier.' ... geez .. please stick your stupid and disrespectful remarks to <you know where> .. especially when talking about the case that is absolutely legit and it's being seriously discussed by thousands of people all around the internet .. thanks
 
Musicman said:
:LOL:

My day job is designing software to manage procurement, sales and tax for my company and its subsidiaries in 40 different countries. If only it were that easy... !
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I was being a bit tongue in cheek with my comments. I have read Adobe’s justification of its pricing structure and I am not alone in taking a somewhat cynical view. Although Adobe have an office/offices in the UK I’m not sure they have a UK co.

I used to deal with such worldwide groups in my professional life so I have a reasonable idea of how they operate from an accounting prospective. Good luck in trying to deal with 40 tax jurisdictions.

I still consider Creative Cloud to be very good and decent value.
 
I do agree that the Photography 20Gb plan is very good value, especially at the Black Friday price/Amazon Prime Day price.

However I made a comment above which no-one seems to have picked up on. It referred to Adobe's statement that the stand-alone version of Lightroom (v6) would be available "indefinitely". How long did that last - can anyone remember? (rhetorical question.....)
 
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