Adobe, pirated software

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Ross said:
Makes no odds what jobs they have in the future. Under the student licensing agreement you agreed to when you clicked "install" you should be removing the software if you are no longer a student.
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That appears to be wrong, this taken from an American university info page about MS office software.

Q. Can I keep the software after I graduate or leave NIU?
A.Subject to the license conditions stated in the agreements (such as not decompiling, etc.), the software license is permanently assigned to a currently enrolled student. After the purchase, the software license continues to reside with the student even if the student leaves NIU or graduates.
 
Matt Charlton said:
Oh wait a minute, that image is probably copyrighted Disney, I'm going to hell.

At least I'll have company :D
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Come in and sit down dear boy, what are you drinking? :D
 
NathanJT said:
That's assuming your AV can detect it in the first place! Most rootkits are designed to be completely invisible to the OS let alone AV running on top of it!
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Thank goodness for AVG Anti Rootkit :)

Not that I needed it mind you :p
 
Garrie said:
Thank goodness for AVG Anti Rootkit :)

Not that I needed it mind you :p
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But AV software (generally) only protects against known virus/malware/vulnerabilities. People that sit in a false security behind their antivirus software (or even worse on their invulnerable mac's so don't need AV software, which as a side note has just been recently compromised) leave themselves wide open.

Yes I'm a software developer, so yes you could so I have a slightly biased view. However, unless you are in a situation such as mine, you can't appreciate how much time, effort, research and support goes into making quality software.

Piracy of any software IS illegal. There are no two ways about it really.
 
I know MS Office student edition is very much cut down compared to retail versions, but you could be correct in that the license continues after you finish studying.

Adobe doesn't however:

http://www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/education_pricing.html

No longer a student?

An important note about upgrading your software: Your personal investment in Adobe products may continue to be valuable, even if you no longer meet the qualifications for Adobe Education pricing. Please contact the online Adobe Store or your local reseller for information about upgrades to commercial versions of your products.
 
Matt Charlton said:
Why thank you kind sir, I'll have a flaming sambuca. I presume thats easy to get hold of down here, I bet Carling Extra Cold is a nightmare ;)
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I'd bedtter come and join you guys also - I'll have a glass of red wine thanks....oh look, it's already mulled, how handy! :)
 
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anything with alcohol - thanks :)
 
Jonnyreb said:
livings.

Finding cash on the pavement is not theft - there is certainly a moral decision to make over whether to hand it in or keep it.
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Bit black and white that! ;)

It comes down to whether at the time of finding it you could reasonably expect to trace the owner by taking reasonable steps.

Find a £1 coin on the pavement - is it likely you'd trace the owner - would the loser have reported the loss to the cops, would he even know he'd lost it?

Find a £20 note.... you can see where it's going....;)

It's theft by finding JR and people do get done for it.
 
then dagnammit, my scrupples are exposed by my morality and alcoholism. But to return to the subject in hand, my argument remains ;)
 
:lol: Sharp this morning JR!
 
Good to see this thread has gone O/T because it really wasn't going anywhere.

Anymore single malt up for grabs:D
 
I use pirated software. I simply can't afford to buy a copy of CS3/2, lightroom and whatever else. I have bought software, and if I ever made any money from the use of the software, I would buy it.

It's a dangerous road comparing software piracy to stealing a car. Software piracy is copyright infringement. Stealing a car is, well, stealing. Just because the businesses selling this stuff want you to think that copyright infringement is theft doesn't mean that it is. If I take a car, the owner no longer has it. If I download photoshop, Adobe still has it. They haven't paid anything to get that copy to me. Yes, they didn't profit, but they also didn't lose any money directly. If I downloaded it *instead* of buying it, then they would of lost a sale. I know for a fact that if I didn't have a pirated copy of photoshop, I'd be using the GIMP or some other free alternative. If I didn't have a pirated copy of lightroom, I'd be using Picasa. The fact is, I know that I wouldn't be buying software - I can't afford to buy it - but if given a choice, I will choose the superior industry standard over the normally inferior free alternative.
 
leoedin said:
I use pirated software. I simply can't afford to buy a copy of CS3/2, lightroom and whatever else. I have bought software, and if I ever made any money from the use of the software, I would buy it.

It's a dangerous road comparing software piracy to stealing a car. Software piracy is copyright infringement. Stealing a car is, well, stealing. Just because the businesses selling this stuff want you to think that copyright infringement is theft doesn't mean that it is. If I take a car, the owner no longer has it. If I download photoshop, Adobe still has it. They haven't paid anything to get that copy to me. Yes, they didn't profit, but they also didn't lose any money directly. If I downloaded it *instead* of buying it, then they would of lost a sale. I know for a fact that if I didn't have a pirated copy of photoshop, I'd be using the GIMP or some other free alternative. If I didn't have a pirated copy of lightroom, I'd be using Picasa. The fact is, I know that I wouldn't be buying software - I can't afford to buy it - but if given a choice, I will choose the superior industry standard over the normally inferior free alternative.
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If you cannot afford it do not use it any way - DO NOT TOUCH IT!!!

It simply doesn't matter if you use it commercially or not.

Having something in your posession illegally in ANY way is a crime!! Be it theft, fraud, piracy or whatever you want to call it.

Is it a dangerous road because you do not like the comparison? TOUGH!

Go and download some freeware and use it!!
 
@ Leo ... So if I steal your photos of your website Leo, place then on my website and sell them for my own profit with no mention of you, and defiantly no money for you. ...that'll be ok will it?

Keep snapping mate... more landscape shots please, I'm not making quite enough money out of your hard work. ...thanks. :thumbs:
 
MODS!

I think this thread should be closed and even deleted. What possibly started out as an innocent question is turning rather sour.

There are obviously some here who simply wouldn't get it if it came in a big bag marked "IT":bonk:


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The thread has more than answered my original question, the slightly off topic posts being interesting and funny as well.
 
Fed up now, did this start with PS 5.5 or have I been selected, extracted, liquefied to vanishing point then desaturated to grayscale and transformed into a duplicate layer of reality, come on this has always gone on and always will, crime has been here since Adam ate the forbidden cherry, remember this, let him who is without sin try harder.
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
@ Leo ... So if I steal your photos of your website Leo, place then on my website and sell them for my own profit with no mention of you, and defiantly no money for you. ...that'll be ok will it?

Keep snapping mate... more landscape shots please, I'm not making quite enough money out of your hard work. ...thanks. :thumbs:
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I license all my images under the creative commons attribution noncommercial sharealike license. I said (I would hope it was clear) that I would instantly buy the software I use if I started making money off it. Right now, I make no money off photography.

If you take my images and put them on your website with a link back to mine, and don't make any money off them, then I wouldn't object.

I know that piracy is a crime. I didn't say it wasn't. I also understand the potential legal issues, and I understand the risks involved. However, after weighing up the negative and positive aspects of copyright infringement for personal use, I do pirate some software.

Just to emphasise my point: I would never use pirated *anything* for any sort of commercial use (as forbiddenbiker doesn't seem to understand).
 
I have to say this thread has been worthwhile if, for nothing else, post 92 by Jonnyreb :lol:

Jonnyreb said:
then dagnammit, my scrupples are exposed by my morality and alcoholism. But to return to the subject in hand, my argument remains ;)
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I have this picture in my mind that you fell off your stool soon after pressing the "Submit Reply" button Jon :D :lol:
 
Right, so that's
Single Malt for Anton and LadyLens. CT and JR you might as well join them them.
1 Flaming Sambuca (whatever the heaven that is!) for Matt C
1 Red wine for Witch

and I think I'll split the bottle with Witch seeing as I've started already.

Unfortunately it's getting close to that time again so,

TIME LAYDEEZ 'N GERMAN PALEEEZE!
 
Having a neat 12 year Glenfiddich at room temperature as we chat!

To the splendid health of all you non pirates!!!

:D
 
Afraid I've only got Turkish red wine, but, cheers! Bottoms up! Şerefe!






(I was going to say slanji var but I can't spell it!)
 
leoedin said:
I know for a fact that if I didn't have a pirated copy of photoshop, I'd be using the GIMP or some other free alternative. If I didn't have a pirated copy of lightroom, I'd be using Picasa.
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Then why not simply use Gimp and Picassa?
 
Because he wants the best but doesn't want to pay for it!

If I 'borrowed' a car and gave my mates a lifty then it would be ok then? But if I set it up as a taxi then that's bad?

Copyright infringement is theft, it's just intellectual rather than physical.

Unfortunately we live in a semi-digital realm now so it's all become a lot more possible.


But then again, 15 years ago, my mates were all copying each others ZX spectrum cassettes lol.

Which ever way you cut it, Piracy is illegal. As is Posession of class a drugs, Rape, Murder, buggery (in some countries) etc etc etc.

I just get a bit annoyed when people try to justify it by not making any money off it.

If anybody hijacked one of my images and printed it for their living room wall I'm still losing out.



GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
 
Perhaps it would be better to consider what the law breaker is gaining rather than the loss of the victim. That gain has a value attached to it which equates to the loss the victim has suffered.
 
Just get off the fence and tell us what you really think about piracy!



:D
 
pxl8 said:
Perhaps it would be better to consider what the law breaker is gaining rather than the loss of the victim. That gain has a value attached to it which equates to the loss the victim has suffered.
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I could not agree more.

I am a commercial crime prosecutor and I am confronted with Leoedin's type of arguments every day. It is amazing to hear the number of justifications for crime, be it murder or piracy. I suppose any type of non-sensical argument will do when you are desperate to sooth your guilty conscience.

Bottomline Leoedin: you have gained the use of the software without having to bear the costs involved. That is just not on and YOU KNOW IT!!!

In my book, that makes you a criminal and you deserve to be exposed as such. If you cannot ply your trade (or hobby) legally in every respect, then you should seriously consider taking up needlepoint.
 
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