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Absolutely no sympathy for the guy. If yuo choose to run with the bulls (a practice I do not agree with along with bullfighting) then yuo takes your chances. Sometimes, the bull gets a bit of revenge!
 
I'm surprised none of my fellow pedants picked up on the headline - Spainish? Does that mean somewhere that's similar to Spain?
 
As a beef farmer I find the concept of Spanish bull-fighting totally abhorrent and something which should have been banned years ago. I thought Spain was in the EU? Must have got that wrong, If I treated my stock with even a 100th of the cruelty of the "Famous matadors" I'd expect to end up in court. Respect for the animal, any animal is paramount. That's why I refuse to what the "show" , "I'm a celebrity get me out...." No respect for the animals they use in the bush-tucker trials. Doesn't matter how far up the evolution scale they are. Abusing animals for entertainment is just wrong.
If you want to watch Bull Fighting, go to the Camargue in France. There the bulls are the stars and have long careers some famous bulls even have statues in their memory. Cannot for the life of me understand why the Spanish do what they do.
 
Farmerjim said:
As a beef farmer I find the concept of Spanish bull-fighting totally abhorrent and something which should have been banned years ago. I thought Spain was in the EU? Must have got that wrong, If I treated my stock with even a 100th of the cruelty of the "Famous matadors" I'd expect to end up in court. Respect for the animal, any animal is paramount. That's why I refuse to what the "show" , "I'm a celebrity get me out...." No respect for the animals they use in the bush-tucker trials. Doesn't matter how far up the evolution scale they are. Abusing animals for entertainment is just wrong.
If you want to watch Bull Fighting, go to the Camargue in France. There the bulls are the stars and have long careers some famous bulls even have statues in their memory. Cannot for the life of me understand why the Spanish do what they do.
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Ok I gotta ask, why are you picking on the Spanish yet ignoring the fact that EXACTLY the same corridas de toros take place in the south of France? Have a look on YouTube and see how crowded events in Nîmes and Arles are. Indeed that style of bullfighting enjoys the same legally protected status at it does in Spain.
The answer is ignorance. People are quick to get on their soap box here, yet know NOTHING about it.

FRENCH torero Sebastián Castella in Nîmes, FRANCE:

Nimes / 07.06.2014 by Los toros desde el Mediterráneo, on Flickr

Statue of FRENCH torero Nimeño outside the Arena of Nîmes, FRANCE which is used for corridas de toros:

torero a Nîmes by Seracat, on Flickr
 
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We bow to your better knowledge of animal cruelty across borders.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Ok I gotta ask, why are you picking on the Spanish yet ignoring the fact that EXACTLY the same corridas de toros take place in the south of France? Have a look on YouTube and see how crowded events in Nîmes and Arles are. Indeed that style of bullfighting enjoys the same legally protected status at it does in Spain.
The answer is ignorance. People are quick to get on their soap box here, yet know NOTHING about it.
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Sorry Ricardo, you are correct, I had forgotten about the corridas in France. It's not right there, either.
 
crofter said:
Well that's what's wrong with the world, you should be ashamed.
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But I'm not and never will be. Of all the things that are wrong in the world animal cruelty is way down the pecking order.

If you think bull fighting and the preservation of it is what's wrong with the world then you're not seeing the bigger picture.

A few bulls die each year at the hands of a matador each year and many are entertained. Who cares, it's inconsequential.
 
It's done for entertainment, nothing more.
The fact that it's conveniently given "heritage status" is pitiful.
Cockfighting and bear baiting used to be big in Britain in the middle ages, let's bring that back and call it culture, shall we?
 
I cannot stand bull fighting I see it as unnecessary cruelty to animals...I fail to see how as I know in the past that it's been said to be a part of the culture is relevant...I don't understand how it can be seen as part of the culture...

It used to be part of our culture to burn witches at the stake, thankfully on the whole we are a little more enlightened these days and on the whole have cut such barbarism out of our own culture..
 
I wouldn't be against bear baiting and such sports. I don't support burning people at the stake but I do support capital punishment for murder etc.

Hunting, bull fighting. It just doesn't bother me and a fair few enjoy such pursuits. Cruelty to humans bother me, animal hunting, bear baiting, dog fighting, bull fighting just doesn't outrage me.

Given they bring entertainment to many and contribute in terms of employment, culture and economy I see no reason to see them outlawed. Those enraged need to peacefully raise the issue through the correct channels.
 
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@ST4 Yes, but you're...you know....you.
 
Bullfighting in Valencia takes place throughout the year on Saturdays and/or Sundays,
and every day of the week during Las Fallas festival in March and the Feria de Valencia in July.
Valencia bullring holds 12,884 people.

The mid range ticket price is 85 Euro's
thats 1,095,140 Euro per event,

There were 12 events alone in March this year, thats 13,141,680 Euro's.
for just March, in Valencia.
I couldn't find the actual amount of arena's in Spain,though.
No wonder the Spanish are eager to protect bullfighting. ;)
 
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Cobra said:
Bullfighting in Valencia takes place throughout the year on Saturdays and/or Sundays,
and every day of the week during Las Fallas festival in March and the Feria de Valencia in July.
Valencia bullring holds 12,884 people.

The mid range ticket price is 85 Euro's
thats 1,095,140 Euro per event,

There were 12 events alone in March this year, thats 13,141,680 Euro's.
for just March, in Valencia.
I couldn't find the actual amount of arena's in Spain,though.
No wonder the Spanish are eager to protect bullfighting. ;)
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It must be really quite popular with a lot of people. I will pay it though when I go to Spain. Having seen them on the TV they look an utter spectacle. The matadors are revered by many and are national celebrities. In short, for it to be banned, it would outrage too many of the spanish population, despite a growing ill will towards it.
 
Cobra said:
Bullfighting in Valencia takes place throughout the year on Saturdays and/or Sundays,
and every day of the week during Las Fallas festival in March and the Feria de Valencia in July.
Valencia bullring holds 12,884 people.

The mid range ticket price is 85 Euro's
thats 1,095,140 Euro per event,

There were 12 events alone in March this year, thats 13,141,680 Euro's.
for just March, in Valencia.
I couldn't find the actual amount of arena's in Spain,though.
No wonder the Spanish are eager to protect bullfighting. ;)
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What's interesting however is that it seems that even in Spain it seems the majority of the general public do not actually support bull fighting, at least if these figures (all be it from a not particularly impartial source) are to be believed only 29% of the general public support bull fighting..

http://www.hsi.org/world/europe/news/releases/2013/04/spain_bullfighting_ipsos_poll_042313.html
 
MWHCVT said:
What's interesting however is that it seems that even in Spain it seems the majority of the general public do not actually support bull fighting, at least if these figures (all be it from a not particularly impartial source) are to be believed only 29% of the general public support bull fighting..

http://www.hsi.org/world/europe/news/releases/2013/04/spain_bullfighting_ipsos_poll_042313.html
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A significant minority however. Why should their interest which doesn't actually impact the other 71% be taken away. It's a bit like banning boxing or rugby because 29% of the population enjoy it, but 71% is outraged by the violent nature of each sport.
 
MWHCVT said:
What's interesting however is that it seems that even in Spain it seems the majority of the general public do not actually support bull fighting, at least if these figures (all be it from a not particularly impartial source) are to be believed only 29% of the general public support bull fighting..
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And from another dubious source, PETA in this instance
The European Union is spending approximately £30 million per year to support Spanish bullfights

Which actually I find quite strange if they raise over 13 million Euro's
in one month, in one city.
Obviously there are "bills" to be paid from that.

Lets face it, we are quick enough to vilify the EU
when they try and impose laws on us that
affect us as a country,
as a matter of "national pride" or otherwise.

So whether "we" agree with bull fighting or not,
in that context surely we have no right to tell Spain / France etc
what they can and can't do?
 
ST4 said:
A significant minority however. Why should their interest which doesn't actually impact the other 71% be taken away. It's a bit like banning boxing or rugby because 29% of the population enjoy it, but 71% is outraged by the violent nature of each sport.
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Thing is the boxers or rugby players get a choice whether to take part or not.
 
Cobra said:
So whether "we" agree with bull fighting or not,
in that context surely we have no right to tell Spain / France etc
what they can and can't do?
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Its nowt to do with Spain or France or EU, its do with animal cruelty for entertainment in the 21st century anywhere.
 
DorsetDude said:
Its nowt to do with Spain or France or EU, its do with animal cruelty for entertainment in the 21st century anywhere.
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What I'm saying is their country their laws.
As the saying goes charity begins at home,
there are more than enough animal / child abuse issues in the UK to sort out,
without worrying about what Spain does, what France does what Mexico does.
We should clean up our on act, before we start preaching to others.
 
As we as all part of the EU I believe it is our concern what is going on in Spain and France in regards to animal cruelty, especially as we are a net contributor to the EU coffers that could well be considered if the above about EU aid towards the bull fighting is correct to be the UK providing aid for animal cruelty indirectly

If we are to be in union of course we need to care what happens across the union be sure we we do something they don't agree with they would be jumping up and down and shouting louder than we are now... Look at the fits the Spanish have had in recent years over fishing in our waters

I'm very much with Keith on this :thumbs:
 
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As we as all part of the EU I believe it is our concern what is going on in Spain and France in regards to animal cruelty, especially as we are a net contributor to the EU coffers that could well be considered if the above about EU aid towards the bull fighting is correct to be the UK providing aid for animal cruelty indirectly
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I'm not convinced the quote I referred to above is true,
Purely for the fact of the amount of money raised from such events.

Animal cruelty / animals in "sport"
will always be emotive,
hunting with dogs was banned in 2005 (IIRC) and was
a political rather than an "humanitarian" act.
Pretty much can be said for the handgun ban too.
Besides both were low value revenue collectors for the government.

Had the same discussion been held about football following Hillsborough,
where something short of 100 (IIRC) died,
Football would not have been banned dues to the amount of
revenue that it generates.
Love it or hate it, its all about money when it comes down to
the roots.

MWHCVT said:
... Look at the fits the Spanish have had in recent years over fishing in our waters
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They still have boats?
Damn! I thought we sorted that in 1588.
:D
 
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crofter said:
Cruelty is cruelty,full stop.
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Once we've sorted out peoples conduct to their fellow people, I might well concern myself with animal cruelty. Bull fighting is a national custom of several countries and something that's fairly popular.

I hope you have voiced your concern with the embassies of the countries that enjoy bull fighting.
 
Is this really the best you can both do just because I am not foaming at the mouth with outrage that people enjoy bull fighting and that I care more about the criminal actions of people towards people than animals?
 
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Yv said:
Burning witches at the stake is an ancient custom but I suspect even someone trolling the way you do wouldn't condone such actions today. You are welcome to your strange opinions but we know you are posting simply to stir a reaction given you have deliberately related a loathing of animal cruelty to racism when it simply isn't there. So this is your last warning Steve, pack it in.
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@ST4 is making very objective and valid comments and not being racist. In fact quite the contrary! I interpret his comments as preaching tolerance for the traditions of other cultures whether we agree with or understand them or not. Unfortunately, a response which suggests racism merely reflects narrow mindedness and a willingness to blindly follow what is called 'political correctness'. In my not so humble opinion.
 
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neil_g said:
you would happily shoot some people in the face. that's the hypocrisy :)
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Criminals yes. I'm all against the violent criminals. The perps of this crime IMHO deserve capital punishment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30213462

We've had pages and pages vilifying the culture and customs of the Spanish and other races who enjoy bull fighting but rarely do we have a discussion about real crime that effects people here, unless it involves motorists...

I repeat, I have no problem with bull fighting in Spain or any other country. It's their laws and customs and with events like the news link above as a society we have no moral superiority to claim with events like this in our own country.

What people get upto in their own countries and their own customs is of little consequence to me. Other than when I go to Spain I'll see a bull fight :)
 
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RedRobin said:
@ST4 is making very objective and valid comments and not being racist. In fact quite the contrary! I interpret his comments as preaching tolerance for the traditions of other cultures whether we agree with or understand them or not. Unfortunately, a response which suggests racism merely reflects narrow mindedness and a willingness to blindly follow what is called 'political correctness'. In my not so humble opinion.
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Then perhaps you should read my comment again, and Steves previous to that, at which point you may grasp that I am NOT calling Steve racist at all, completely the opposite in fact. I am saying that Steve calling other people racist because they don't like the animal cruelty of a country is at best disingenuous and in our [the staff] opinion, deliberately stirring and trying to provoke a reaction, which I believe is the classic definition of an internet troll.
 
Yv said:
Then perhaps you should read my comment again, and Steves previous to that, at which point you may grasp that I am NOT calling Steve racist at all, completely the opposite in fact. I am saying that Steve calling other people racist because they don't like the animal cruelty of a country is at best disingenuous and in our [the staff] opinion, deliberately stirring and trying to provoke a reaction, which I believe is the classic definition of an internet troll.
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....I think we have our wires crossed. I have read all the recent posts. I don't know enough about Steve's comments history in this TP forum generally, whereas you do.

How do you know if Steve is "deliberately stirring and trying to provoke a reaction"? Hopefully you are not suggesting that someone's opinion is trolling if it happens to not be in agreement with the TP populace, or indeed also not be in agreement with the average person in this country?
 
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