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Now I've just seen this posted on a Canon equipment Facebook page (not the Canon Facebook page, if they've even got one) and thought to myself rubbish.
It's not so much that it was posted but more the comments being left that annoyed me. Of the few comments that were there most seemed to agree.
I thought photography was about, subject, composition and the final product, the photo.
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its advertising - in the same way that the peugot 306 doesnt make you likely to fight sharks and lynx deodorant doesn't make you irresistible to women , its not meant to be taken litterally
 
its advertising - in the same way that the peugot 306 doesnt make you likely to fight sharks and lynx deodorant doesn't make you irresistible to women , its not meant to be taken litterally
I don't disagree with you with regards to the quote, but more the people agreeing with it.
 
If you actually control the subject and the composition then perhaps yes I can see the OP point. But let's face it, the vast majority don't actually and just rattle away. Not saying that is wrong or nobody should do that, but let's not kid ourselves.
 
I thought photography was about, subject, composition and the final product, the photo.
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It is, which is why professional cameras have auto modes.

Knowing when to not use manual is a skill in itself. Those who stubbornly use it all the time in the belief they're being a better photographer are just idiots. You need to know how to use it, sure, but using at all the time is just stupid.
 
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I'm not even sure what the quote in the OP is even trying to say?
 
Taken literally it implies that anyone shooting in Manual is NOT a photographer - which is probably not the intended message :D
 
It is, which is why professional cameras have auto modes.

Knowing when to not use manual is a skill in itself. Those who stubbornly use it all the time in the belief they're being a better photographer are just idiots. You need to know how to use it, sure, but using at all the time is just stupid.

There's a popular local photographer who teaches beginners how to get better photographs. He teaches them that you must immediately stop using the baby auto modes, no auto exposure, full manual, no auto white balance, full manual. I sometimes meet one of his his ex-students, still struggling after years to get the exposure right, full of praise for the extraordinary skills of the master, and sure that if only they could get round to making a really determined effort to practise as much as possible they'd soon get it right.

"Knowing when to not use manual is a skill in itself"?

That "not" sounds as though you use manual most of the time, otherwise the more useful skill would be knowing when to use it.

I'm quite happy with manual. I learned my photography on manual cameras. My first DSLR had the useful innovation of a built in exposure meter and needle matching. I guess I use fully manual exposure on about 0.1% of my shots, about the same as I use one of the full auto modes. Otherwise I use a semi-auto mode, adding some exposure compensation about 50% of the time, exposure lock about 5% of the time. I do have some manual lenses which require manual focus, but otherwise I use autofocus about 90% of the time. I'm very impressed by how well my auto white balance works. I only use manual white balance (or make sure I have at least some reference white or gray in the shot) for photographing paintings, serious flower portraits, or the lighting is weird.

So for me the useful skill is knowing when to use manual, not knowing when not to use it.
 
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It is, which is why professional cameras have auto modes.

Knowing when to not use manual is a skill in itself. Those who stubbornly use it all the time in the belief they're being a better photographer are just idiots. You need to know how to use it, sure, but using at all the time is just stupid.

Yep, this is the key, knowing when to use manual mode

Why buy a fancy digital camera with all it's metering modes and processing power to just blindly ignore it all in favour of thinking doing it yourself makes you a "better" photographer............. just seems daft to me
 
I'd say not using the baby full auto modes was good advice for someone wanting to learn, but not using AV/TV as appropriate is bonkers
 
The image is the end goal if you captured it on a glass plate smeared with cheese and a dollop of pure luck if the client pays or you love the image, you have done your job, equipment is irrelevant, (a bit like Nikon)
 
Except a lot of folk don't do it themselves they adjust the aperture or shutter till the needle hits the middle of meter and do exactly what the camera would have done any way.

Well yes, that makes the whole thing even more daft :facepalm:
 
Full auto I can see someone saying move away from it. But available and tv have there place, as does manual mode. Trick is knowing what to use and when
 
I read it subtly differently. Is it perhaps suggesting that, because of auto modes and all the assistance cameras these days can provide, that everyone can be a photographer, but when they discover the manual button, only a small percentage can continue to call themselves a photographer? It's a clumsy statement either way though I think.
 
Surely it's not a bold statement at all, just one that's supposed to be humorous?

Then the pedants and nerds arrive and... :rolleyes:
 
I use manual ( sometimes with auto I so) pretty much all the time. Not because I think it makes me a better photographer, quite the reverse actually, I understand aperture, shutter speed and iso, I learned and used a manual film camera for years. It is the auto modes and function s I don't understand!
 
I use manual ( sometimes with auto I so) pretty much all the time. Not because I think it makes me a better photographer, quite the reverse actually, I understand aperture, shutter speed and iso, I learned and used a manual film camera for years. It is the auto modes and function s I don't understand!

Are really serious that you don't understand the semi/auto modes? If you been using cameras for so long I find this hard to believe.
 
I don't. If I use a hand held meter, I know exactly what I'm measuring and how to interpret the reading. Faced with a built in meter, which might be measuring an ill defined spot, the average over the screen, a centre-weighted average (what's the weighting?) or some combination of points across the screen and calculated in some way to reflect them all in conjunction with the camera maker's idea of what's what, or something else entirely... Well, it's not so clear.
 
Are really serious that you don't understand the semi/auto modes? If you been using cameras for so long I find this hard to believe.
I may occasionally use aperture priority or shutter priority, I have no idea how program works and frankly not interested. I should and could rtfm but I wouldn't remember half of it and it's thicker than an encyclopedia. You may think I'm an idiot, and you may be right!
 
Those who stubbornly use it all the time in the belief they're being a better photographer are just idiots.


This :agree:

Dave

EDIT - but there's nothing wrong at all with anyone who ONLY uses Manual mode, so long as they don't have that chip on their shoulder :)
 
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Are really serious that you don't understand the semi/auto modes? If you been using cameras for so long I find this hard to believe.
Really?? I'm the same. I rarely use the auto-modes so have largely forgotten how they work let alone how to access them quickly in the menus (I'm thinking about things like setting the right exposure mode here rather than knocking it into shutter priority for example). I know they aren't particular complicated but if you don't use them often, you tend to forget how to activate them quickly and before I figure it out, it's usually quicker for me to revert to full manual.
 
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I may occasionally use aperture priority or shutter priority, I have no idea how program works and frankly not interested. I should and could rtfm but I wouldn't remember half of it and it's thicker than an encyclopedia. You may think I'm an idiot, and you may be right!

Program is pretty much the same as using either AV or TV except that you can change either value and the camera will change the other one to suit ( I use it very occasionally but mostly just use AV - I know how to use M and use it if I need to but its about 10% M , 10% TV , 5% P and 75% AV)
 
No one cares what mode you use. I've had exhibitions, regularly do talks on my photography, been interviewed for a magazine and a video and have a few hundred photographs on Alamy. No one has yet asked me if they were taken in auto, manual or whatever, because no one gives a fxxx what mode I or anyone else uses.
 
That - "I only use M " has become a hipster thing like "propper photographers use slide film " back in the day - its all b*****ks, what matters is the image, what you used to make it is pretty much irrelevant
 
"Everyone is a photographer until they find the Manual Mode" - then they become a camera-bore fretting about 'settings' and RAW and White-Balance, and F-Stops, rather than taking photographs. - Quite apt for a cannon ad, I think. Could be pastiche'd a fair bit, too...
Everybody is a photographer, until they try texting on a DSLR
Everybody is a photographer, until they realise they haven't got a water-mark
Everybody is a photographer, until they find Flikr (And become a 'social commentator')
Everybody is a photographer until they find themselves in Skegness on a wet and windy wednesday with only big stoppa filter for company (and realise they are just sad!)
Everybody is a photographer until they hear abut 'The Zone System' (And become a nervous wreck!)
Everybody is a photographer, until they discover FILM! (And they start to 'Develop')
 
No one cares what mode you use. I've had exhibitions, regularly do talks on my photography, been interviewed for a magazine and a video and have a few hundred photographs on Alamy. No one has yet asked me if they were taken in auto, manual or whatever, because no one gives a fxxx what mode I or anyone else uses.

Same here... i've never had anyone ask what mode I use... ever.
 
You one question for those of you who think it's an advert....

Why would Canon advertise using a Nikon camera?
 
You one question for those of you who think it's an advert....

Why would Canon advertise using a Nikon camera?

They have inadvertently advertised Nikon lenses !!!

It's clearly not an advert but the first Canon had a Nikkor (Nikon) Lens. Clearly pictured in their adverts.
 
The problem with Auto modes is that it can lead to disappointment if you don't fully understand how the camera works. For example if you have a subject standing against a white background and use centre weighted metering it will invariably underexpose the subject. There are many other examples. Knowledge of the subject matter, metering, ISO and the speed, aperture ratio all combine to make a successful image. Knowing when to use A,S,P mode is fine as long as you understand how all the fundamental controls will effect the final outcome. It really doesn't matter how you achieve the final image using whatever mode you desire as long as it the right outcome. Knowing when to use the right mode (including manual) takes a bit of knowledge, practice and experiment. If you just blindly shoot in P mode you will get a result but it will eventually lead to disappointed results.
 
I'm not even sure what the quote in the OP is even trying to say?

Taken literally it implies that anyone shooting in Manual is NOT a photographer - which is probably not the intended message :D

I read it subtly differently. Is it perhaps suggesting that, because of auto modes and all the assistance cameras these days can provide, that everyone can be a photographer, but when they discover the manual button, only a small percentage can continue to call themselves a photographer? It's a clumsy statement either way though I think.

It's exactly that, anyone can be a photographer with modern camera and they can create all exactly the same image during the same conditions. Heck some will even point them in he same direction with building navigational aids.

It's a bit like everyone thinks they are a web designer or a ...

And the reality is, the technology is now so good that they really can

Either way, I like the message. Makes perfect sense to me.
 
It's exactly that, anyone can be a photographer with modern camera and they can create all exactly the same image during the same conditions. Heck some will even point them in he same direction with building navigational aids.

It's a bit like everyone thinks they are a web designer or a ...

And the reality is, the technology is now so good that they really can

Either way, I like the message. Makes perfect sense to me.


But that's always been the case. Anyone could always be a photographer. When I was 8, I had a Kodak 110 that took fully "automated" photos, it was the only way it worked! You literally pointed and shot.

As anyone can be a painter, actor, sculptor etc. It doesn't mean they'll be any good though...
 
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They have inadvertently advertised Nikon lenses !!!

It's clearly not an advert but the first Canon had a Nikkor (Nikon) Lens. Clearly pictured in their adverts.

i believe the first canon was called a kwanon ,( with nikon glass on the front )
 
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