A bit cheesed off actually!........

mike weeks said:
Sorry,

but we have one side of the situation presented and he is hardly likely to state that he was out of order or doing something that he should not - I would love to hear the other sides version which may or may not present a totally different picture.

Mike
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Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
 
The OP presented a picture of Innocence but maybe the other photographer would paint one of pure guilt which is why I said I would love to hear the other side - never questioned the OPs innocence just their arrogance especially with the sort of stupid statement about amounts of equipment - its not what you have, its how you use it and most event photographers have to have it and be able to use it.

Mike
 
christ, how is this thread still alive... someone was rude to you when they could have been a wee bit more polite...that's all
 
Briony said:
Wonder if we will be allowed any cameras in at Blenheim Horse Trials then ???????

They will be confiscating thousands if they do LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I wouldn't laugh, they do that at the golf!
 
I dont see that big deal, if the OP was at an event and there was no set rules on what you could photograph or what equipment he could use he has the right to photograph what he wants surely? If the resident tog has a contract or agreement with the organisors its his/her responsibility to make sure his exclusivity is protected, if he doesn't its no one elses problem but his/her's.
 
Quick question... and forgive me if this is covered in later posts as I've not had the time to read them fully through.

Assuming I've been retained by one of the competitors/owners to photograph their horse throughout the day. I've arrived at the meeting and there are no signs saying "no pro togs etc. we've got our own thank you very much". Say the same thing happens - event pro turns up and starts hurling abuse or otherwise. Who takes precedence? You, being there under your own contract or them under the event as a whole? Or is it a case that you're only there photographing that horse and the sale occurs elsewhere later?

I'm not a pro btw just interested... and confused. :thinking:

Also, just picking up on something someone said early on in the thread. Surely the OP had the right to be there shooting pictures, assuming the event organiser had not previously banned all but their own tog's photos being taken. It would be the selling of the photographs that would infringe or upset, no?
 
In answer to Dinsdales question...

If it's private land - as I expect it was - then there is no direct right to take photos.

The organisers have use of the land for the day so their terms take precedence. Any contract that you have with a competitor / rider is worthless if you dont have permission to shoot on the land.

If the land isn't private, or indeed if you can stand on public land and still get the shots, then you're entitled to do so.

Many football and rugby tournaments now have a child protecion policy that states along the lines of :

'If you want to take photos for your own use then you have to register on the day. No pro / commercial photography is allowed without a license."

Generally, individuals are allowed to shoot if they have registered with the organisers.
 
If you read Jerm's answer and you understand it then you will see that if you are at such an event and are not the event photographer employed to be there then it would be only good manners to tip your hat so to speak - that way no confusion can occur.

There were 2 seperate issues in the OPs thread;

1. The behaviour of the other photographer

2. The right to photograph

No. 1 I can not answer as I did not see the actual event or the build up to it
No. 2 I can not answer fully because I do not know what contract the Official Photographer had with the organisers (or location) but potentially the Official Photographer had made some arrangement with the organisers that prohibited other commercial photography and therefore the OP would not have the right to take photographs because they were being employed to do so

Either way both appear to be bad mannered.

Mike
 
lol lol lol lol lol lol.
 
Firstly ,I know Flavio well as a friend and occasional photographic,and as a M/Sports enthusiast,mainly Rallies and Hill-climbs,shoot for myself and for fun.

Through Flavio ,I went to a few Equine Events and joined British Eventing ,and used my camera on several events,finding the experience very enjoyable.

There are often Event Photographers at Rallies,but there are also serious amounts of Togs there,such as myself.Few make much money out of m/sport.
Equine Events have few serious amateurs,and there in lies the rub,as the regulars feel very threatened at the site of a big 2.8 lens and any new photographers on there turf,so to speak.
I too have tried to be very pleasant to any togs I have met ,but truthfully ,the hostility and ignorance sometimes is hard to fathom.

Flavio is one of the most polite guys you will ever meet,and goes out of his way to avoid confrontation despite being very big and confidant,and is a very talented,well equipped photographer ,living and breathing it ,always ready to help anyone who asks.

So ,despite the majority of you trying to roast him ,I can assure you the women was bang out of order and has a reputation for being vile,arrogant and totally ignorant.

A pro tog who specialises in Equestrian stuff says he no longer goes there as a result of her confirmed this to me.

The truth is that Horses are big business,and the inner sanctum of togs make some very decent money out of it and any new kids on the block with a DSLR will get a hard time and cold shoulder very soon.

Do rally togs go running to event togs for permission ?,well considering they are the vast majority of paying spectators they dont.

Digital has changed every area of photography and has brought it to the masses,but has been a bit slow reaching the horses thus far........................

Pons
 
Jerm said:
In answer to Dinsdales question...

If it's private land - as I expect it was - then there is no direct right to take photos.

The organisers have use of the land for the day so their terms take precedence. Any contract that you have with a competitor / rider is worthless if you dont have permission to shoot on the land.

If the land isn't private, or indeed if you can stand on public land and still get the shots, then you're entitled to do so.

Many football and rugby tournaments now have a child protecion policy that states along the lines of :

'If you want to take photos for your own use then you have to register on the day. No pro / commercial photography is allowed without a license."

Generally, individuals are allowed to shoot if they have registered with the organisers.
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Ah I see... so the fact that you were on private land (possibly) by way of the fact that you'd paid your entry fee, therefore effectively been invited to enter the land, stops you from taking photographs despite it not being specifically prohibited by the organisers of the event. Sorry not being picky or argumentative, just very interested in this point for curiosities sake.

As an aside, I recently went to Northants Cricket ground to try my hand at photographing the the cricket (well what else?). Before I went I emailed the marketing executive there and asked for permission to bring my camera along. A very polite email reply was "by all means just don't bring a tripod for safety sake". Asking permission is something I'd do as a matter of course; it's only polite. :thumbs:
 
I started to reply to this and to be honest, I think it's a subject that is never ending.

I would hoever say that ignorance of the law is never a mitigation.
 
comparing rallys to equestrian events (specifically arena events) is like comparing chalk and cheese to be honest. youll very rarely get a single tog contracted to cover an entire rally for one.

regarding feeling threatened by 2.8 lenses.. its a good job all of ours are that or faster already then ;)
 
WOW , I can't wait for the weekend , my missus is competing at an equestrian event this weekend , Im definately going to bring the DSLR and fire the 300mm 2.8 out front and see what happens, was just going to use me camera phone , not bloomin likely now LOL :lol:
 
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