7d upgrade to 5d mk2....

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Am looking to move into full frame.... What am i going to lose on a 5d mk2 that the 7d has or visa vursa
 
Most fundamentally:

Gains:
Better image quality
Better high ISO performance

Losses:
Worse AF
Lower FPS
Less reach, although slightly higher MP count gives a bit more scope for cropping
Depending on what lenses you have - no EF-S support and will expose weak lenses more
 
Vertigo1 said:
Most fundamentally:

Gains:
Better image quality
Better high ISO performance

Losses:
Worse AF
Lower FPS
Less reach, although slightly higher MP count gives a bit more scope for cropping
Depending on what lenses you have - no EF-S support and will expose weak lenses more
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Ive got a 70-200l f4 and a 24-105l and a 50mm 1.4

I had a 50d before is the af like that again?...?
 
Those lenses will be more than fine on FF.

Yes, the AF is basically the same as the 50D.
 
I got a 5D mkll and thinking of selling and getting a 7D, My Lurcher dog is a little fast.. and I find it hard with the 5D .. Also I'm a total beginner.
 
Pompeyfc81 said:
I had a 50d before is the af like that again?...?
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it's similar but actually worse than the 50D. Centre point is great but outer points not so great, especially in low light. Saying that I'd much rather have the 5D over the 7D, unless I was shooting sports or birds.
 
daugirdas said:
5D3 and 1Ds2/3 are true upgrades from 7D
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I'd say the 7D and 5D2 sit alongside each other, each with advantages and disadvantages. The 5D3 is the merging of the two and the upgrade path for both.
 
daugirdas said:
5D3 and 1Ds2/3 are true upgrades from 7D

You do remember 50D AF, don't you?
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Yeah just about, slow and sluggish........... Its the FF im really after and to try and lose the low light noise! Its killing me :-s
 
6D is probably your best bet. AF is still only 11 point but it's far better than the 9 point on the 5D2 and the centre point works down to -3EV so very good in low light.
 
As above. If you want entry level FF, the 6D is a better bet than the 5DII. 6D has two-thirds of a stop better low light performnce, higher fps, improved AF, wifi, gps and a few other tweaks.

However, the 7D's build quality is better than 6D, it has higher fps and AF is fuller featured (not better, just more tweakable). Having upgraded from a 7D to a 6D I was a little underwhelmed at first, but the 6D is now growing on me. If IQ is you number one priority, the 6D delivers.
 
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So a Canon 1dmk2 is better than my 7d.....?
 
Pompeyfc81 said:
So a Canon 1dmk2 is better than my 7d.....?
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Depends how you look at it or what you want from a camera.. the fact is both are excellent cameras - the 7d is newer technology but the 1 series camera's are built like tanks and have plenty of features that the 7d does not have
a few 1dmk2 things the 7d does not have
Dual storage cards
100% weather proof
Larger sensor
faster frame rate
faster autofocus
longer shutter life
built in vertical shutter
better build quality
Linkable spot metering from 45 autofocus point
autofocus works with canon converters with F5/6 lenses

the 7D wins with features like
Lighter to carry around
Video
More M/Pixels
bigger rear LCD screen
built in flash
speed transmitter for flashes
newer technology

I would say for heavy professional users the 1 series make a very strong case for more casual users the 7D is a great camera
2nd hand prices of the 7D are around £700 and the 1 dmk2 around £300 which is a lot of camera for the money

must also just add to this that I also have a 5dmk3 and a 40D and the only one I would trust to be working after shooting in the rain all afternoon is my 1 series camera - the others have some water proofing measures but the 1 series works like a champ all the time (every time) another point is that I bought my 1Dmk2 brand new in 2006 and to this day it has never misfired or given any kind of error on the screen (EVER)
unlike every other Canon Camera I have has done including the 5d3 a couple of times - and as such the older Canon 1 series Cameras are stunning value for money at current 2nd hand prices
 
I have just moved from the 7D to a 6D. To be completely honnesh, it feels more like a side-step than a true upgrade. As discussed, the 7D has better build, AF and FPS vs a better/larger sensor within the 5D2/6D.

Be arware that to get the best out of FF sensors you need to have good FF glass. For me the7D equipped with the 17-55 F/2.8 IS provides almost identical results to a 6D with the 24-105 F/4L. Natively, the 6D sensor is perhaps one and two-thirds better at high ISO's, but with a one stop difference in glass the perceieved difference is only two-thirds of a stop. If you are used to F/2.8 on the 7D, you really need F/2.8 on FF to appreciate the difference. As the 5D2 is only a stop better than the 7D, you would notice almost difference given the above lens choices (17-55 vs 24-105).

I do not personally miss the AF and FPS of the 7D, but I do miss the build quality. I now have to save for 24-70 F/2.8, so it has worked out more expensive than I bargained for. I believe FF is overrated, unless mated to fast and expensive glass. FF also suffers more from vignetting, distortion and dust bunnies, due to the larger sensor and larger mirror flap moving more dust.
 
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Tend to agree with the above. I do plan to go FF myself at some point but will be keeping the 7D so I have the best of both worlds. I was thinking of getting a used 5D2 but it seems rather old tech now and I'm concerned the (relatively) poor AF would annoy me. The 6D looks appealing except for a few major stumbling blocks - namely SD cards and no joystick on the back. Looks like I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get a 5D3!
 
I have both a 7d and a 5d2. Build of both is very similar, and it's handy being able to swap batteries at times. My main lens on the 7d was the 24-70l 2.8 as I got it at the same time. It does 'feel' better on the 5d2 though, getting the usage of the full frame sensor rather than the crop just seems to provide more natural results. I don't know if that's because I had a film dslr for a couple of years before going digital.
I use the 5d2 most of the time and have kept the 7d for use with my longer lens. I can't say I have been affected by a difference in AF or frame rate performance but I'm not shooting sports.

The 6d is an improvement on the 5d2 other than an apparent step back in build. That will matter to some but certainly not everyone. For what it's worth I wouldn't sell my 5d2 to buy a 6d, but if I had the extra cash I would get a 5d3.
 
So would you guys completly rule out a 5dmk2 then? I want the build quality! Thats a must, But i need to go FF now and the mk3 is out of my reach currently.
 
As you say the 5d3 is quite a lot more expensive than either a 5d2 or 6d.
However the 5d2 is ruled out because it's comparatively old tech and the 6d is ruled out due to lesser build.
What does that leave you with?
 
stu.artd said:
As you say the 5d3 is quite a lot more expensive than either a 5d2 or 6d.
However the 5d2 is ruled out because it's comparatively old tech and the 6d is ruled out due to lesser build.
What does that leave you with?
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1D and 1Ds series... ;)
 
Pompeyfc81 said:
So would you guys completly rule out a 5dmk2 then? I want the build quality! Thats a must, But i need to go FF now and the mk3 is out of my reach currently.
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The 6D and 5S2 are pretty close, but I personally chose the 6D for it's slightly improved AF and the newer sensor which provide two-thirds of a stop better low light performance. The 5D2 does have better build quality (the 6D isn't bad), and takes a CF card instead of SD (important to some but I prefer the convenience of SD), but the 6D edges it within most other departments. For me, the 6D was the better choice, and with HDEW currently selling them for £1139 (body) or £1579 (body + 24-105L) they are very well priced.

The 5D2 is a very good camera, but the 6D edges it within the areas that affect picture quality.

1D's are for people who treat their equipment hard, or who don't mind carrying a large lump with them. They offer great build and perfromance, but are a bit big for non-Pro use.
 
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stu.artd said:
I have both a 7d and a 5d2. Build of both is very similar, and it's handy being able to swap batteries at times. My main lens on the 7d was the 24-70l 2.8 as I got it at the same time. It does 'feel' better on the 5d2 though, getting the usage of the full frame sensor rather than the crop just seems to provide more natural results. I don't know if that's because I had a film dslr for a couple of years before going digital.
I use the 5d2 most of the time and have kept the 7d for use with my longer lens. I can't say I have been affected by a difference in AF or frame rate performance but I'm not shooting sports.

The 6d is an improvement on the 5d2 other than an apparent step back in build. That will matter to some but certainly not everyone. For what it's worth I wouldn't sell my 5d2 to buy a 6d, but if I had the extra cash I would get a 5d3.
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I think this answer sums it up for you pompey. The old tech is not relevant if all you want is to be able to take decent photos with a decent piece of kit - why do you think the 5d mk2, still sell secondhand for such good values, people recognise what they are still.

Are people that use film cameras old tech as well as there are many many of them out there using them professionally.
 
Orville said:
1D's are for people who treat their equipment hard, or who don't mind carrying a large lump with them. They offer great build and perfromance, but are a bit big for non-Pro use.
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Just for the record you don't need to treat 1D like dirt, but it's nice to know a little splash won't finish it for good.
You would probably find it interesting that 1D is smaller and not any heavier than a gripped 5D (I believe thats a popular option). Just a lot better made.
 
I bought a 5D2 as a 2nd body to compliment my 7D about a year ago. Since buying it I've found that I hardly use my 7D, unless I'm shooting something fast paced (son go-karting, Motorsport, dogs/wildlife...). I have to say that the 5D shots feel different and more natural, especially when shooting portraits and landscapes.

Whilst I don't think that its a replacement for my 7D, mainly because the AF can struggle with faster moving things, it does seem to be the first camera I reach for. When going on holiday and only taking 1 body and maybe a couple of lenses, its always the 5D now.

I don't have any experience with the 6D, but it certainly gets good reviews on here.

Seeing as my 7D seems to be severely under utilised of late, I've started to think that I might be better off selling both of my bodies and replacing with a 5D3, as these seem to be the best of both worlds. FF sensor, great AF, good build...

If you're looking for 1 body, then a 5D3 might be the best option if budget permits, but as a 2 body combo, 7D & 5D2 is pretty damn good.
 
I've had both 5d mk2 and 7d, I've had several 1D(mk1 mk2 mk3) and 1Ds(mk1 mk2) and I would say that the 1D mk3 was the best of the bunch as a mixture of ISO performance, quality and AF speed, but that's just me so don't base your purchase on these opinions but rather on the type of photography that you are doing.
 
Pompeyfc81 said:
So would you guys completly rule out a 5dmk2 then? I want the build quality! Thats a must, But i need to go FF now and the mk3 is out of my reach currently.
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What do you shoot that needs full frame?

You mention the noise gains - but the 5DII auto focus gets worse as the light drops...
 
RichardtheSane said:
What do you shoot that needs full frame?

You mention the noise gains - but the 5DII auto focus gets worse as the light drops...
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Landscapes, Weddings now and then as a second togger
 
daugirdas said:
Just for the record you don't need to treat 1D like dirt, but it's nice to know a little splash won't finish it for good.
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My old 350D had plenty of little (and large) splashes that didn't finish it off, you talk as though the 1D is the only series you can actually take out of the house and use without it falling to pieces!
 
Pompeyfc81 said:
Landscapes, Weddings now and then as a second togger
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In which case, considering the only thing the 7D really beats the 5DII on is autofocus, I think you will be fine with a II personally. Pro's used the II for what you describe successfully for a while...

For low light autofocus, you can always put either a flashgun or canon st-e2 on for the assist beam. This used to make quite a significant difference when I was using a 40D so should help a 5DII
 
what about the 1ds mk3 ?
full frame goodness with a high pixel count better auto focus the the 5d 2 and of course 1d build quality

i don't think you would go far wrong if you can find one at a good price
 
I don't have a problem with the af on the 5d mkii. Kids and dogs running around like lunatics and also no problems shooting the eurofighter typhoon last summer. I don't think the af is as bad as people make out.
 
PMN said:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's never had a problem with it! :)
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I'm going to the Cosford air show at the weekend, the way people go on about the 5dmkii af anyone would think I'm just going to get pictures of the clouds.
 
e902717 said:
I'm going to the Cosford air show at the weekend, the way people go on about the 5dmkii af anyone would think I'm just going to get pictures of the clouds.
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Ha! Yep, I started shooting airshows with my old 350D + Sigma 50-500 which was hardly the speediest combination but I still didn't have any real problems so I'm damned sure the 5D2 will be just fine. :lol:
 
I got some of my best owls in flight with my 5D mkii.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks it isn't as black as its painted.
 
cosmicma said:
what about the 1ds mk3 ?
full frame goodness with a high pixel count better auto focus the the 5d 2 and of course 1d build quality

i don't think you would go far wrong if you can find one at a good price
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That's what I thought until I saw the price is still nearly the same as new 5DIII from HDEW.

I will be picking one up eventually, when the price gets closer to three digits. Hopefully not long left :nuts:
 
A used 5D MKII can be around the 3 digits figure. Mate bought one with the grip for around £900 and in good condition as well.
 
5D2's AF is certainly not as good as bodies designed for action. But it's not that bad, it just works. May hunt in low contrast areas in low light, but it's easily fixed by a small adjustment to higher contrasting areas.

Centre point only, single shot and focus-recompose. Works good for portraits.
Manual hyperfocal distance focusing on tripods for landscapes.
 
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