75 in a 60......

dejongj said:
I have no problem with the way you worded it at all. Nor am I argueing against it. What's up with the aggression?

I did however go to a speed awareness course yesterday and there was a whole section allocated to the reasons of speeding. Out of the 24 people in the room one person mentioned their reason was being late. Mine was frustration. A fair few was because they didn't know what the speed limit was.

And nobody mentioned any of your sarcastic sounding reasons. :rolleyes:
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I wonder how many were telling the truth?

Were they perchance saying what the course teachers (?) were wanting/expecting to hear?
 
EspressoJunkie said:
I got caught coming off a dual carriageway doing 75 in a 60, by a speed van a couple of weeks ago, and I've just received a notice of intended prosecution.

The thing is that this is my 3rd time being caught speeding in 2 years. I've only 3 points though because the first time I did the speed awareness course.

Is anyone here knowledgeable enough to hazard a guess at what I'm looking at for this?

I take it that a notice of prosecution means I'll have to go to court?

This wouldn't be serious enough to warrant a disqualification would it? :O
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3 points.

A straight ban, without top up just for speeding would be over 100mph.
 
dejongj said:
Oh no, most definitely not. It featured for a fair bit. And the traffic cop explained how marginal speeding and impact speed now play a much higher role than ever before.

I looked on YouTube for the tiff needell movie about marginal speeding in conjunction with the AA but can't find it.

So best is to go speeding, get caught and go on the course :p
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I appreciate the difference that marginal speed increases have but the figures you quoted seem exaggerated.

The figures quoted in the following article seem more realistic:

"Humbled by speed awareness course"

On a dry road in perfect conditions, travelling at 30mph delivers an average stopping distance of 23m (six car lengths). If travelling at 35 mph and you need to stop, you will hit the obstruction/pedestrian/ cyclist at 18mph, enough to cause serious injury. If travelling at 32mph, the impact speed will still be 11mph.
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Are you sure you're not mixing up the 32 mph and 35 mph data?
 
kendo1 said:
I wonder how many were telling the truth?

Were they perchance saying what the course teachers (?) were wanting/expecting to hear?
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It's not a pass/fail situation, and what goes on in the room stays in the room. They seemed genuine enough. No reason to disbelief them.

Considering there was an anonymous instant electronic quiz with voting buttons and many got the speed limits very very wrong I think they were pretty honest. I know I was as for me I knew I broke the limit and I did it on purpose totally out of frustration.
 
You have been caught doing 75 in a 60 is this the official speed. If so what did your speedo read
 
wave01 said:
You have been caught doing 75 in a 60 is this the official speed. If so what did your speedo read
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Trick question? :)

75 obviously (give or take a few percent depending on accuracy)
 
ZoneV said:
I appreciate the difference that marginal speed increases have but the figures you quoted seem exaggerated.

The figures quoted in the following article seem more realistic:

"Humbled by speed awareness course"



Are you sure you're not mixing up the 32 mph and 35 mph data?
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Oh b*****ks, you made me move off my comfy sofa. However it was worth it.

I WAS WRONG!!!!

The full details from AA/Tiff Needell experiment are:

30mph = baseline I.e. Impact speed is 0mph
32mph = 11mph
35mph = 18mph
40mph = 26mph

Then if you do the same for motorway speeds,

70mph = baseline I.e impact speed is 0 mph
80mph = 38mph
90mph = 57mph
100mph = 71mph

It should also be noted that it was reported that the human body can withstand an impact speed up to 18mph when strapped in. Thus despite all the safety measures that prevent you from obtaining external injuries, the internal injuries could be fatal.

A definite eye opener.
 
dejongj said:
Oh b*****ks, you made me move off my comfy sofa. However it was worth it.

I WAS WRONG!!!!

The full details from AA/Tiff Needell experiment are:

30mph = baseline I.e. Impact speed is 0mph
32mph = 11mph
35mph = 18mph
40mph = 26mph

Then if you do the same for motorway speeds,

70mph = baseline I.e impact speed is 0 mph
80mph = 38mph
90mph = 57mph
100mph = 71mph

It should also be noted that it was reported that the human body can withstand an impact speed up to 18mph when strapped in. Thus despite all the safety measures that prevent you from obtaining external injuries, the internal injuries could be fatal.

A definite eye opener.
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I hope you moved back again.
Saturday nights are good for comfy sofas.
 
kendo1 said:
I hope you moved back again.
Saturday nights are good for comfy sofas.
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Nah, I'm standing in the corner wearing the dunces hat :(
 
Cobra said:
There are a few poorly sign posted speed limit area's around
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Round here there have been a few 40mph dual carriageway roads that have been downgraded without warning. One road that I use for commuting had roadworks for a week, sprouted lots of lamp posts and then had speed camera vans. Would have been nice to know the speed limit had changed. Maybe stick a 30 sign on a few of the lamp posts.
 
dejongj said:
Oh b*****ks, you made me move off my comfy sofa. However it was worth it.

I WAS WRONG!!!!

The full details from AA/Tiff Needell experiment are:

30mph = baseline I.e. Impact speed is 0mph
32mph = 11mph
35mph = 18mph
40mph = 26mph

Then if you do the same for motorway speeds,

70mph = baseline I.e impact speed is 0 mph
80mph = 38mph
90mph = 57mph
100mph = 71mph

It should also be noted that it was reported that the human body can withstand an impact speed up to 18mph when strapped in. Thus despite all the safety measures that prevent you from obtaining external injuries, the internal injuries could be fatal.

A definite eye opener.
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AA thing there sounds more like it. I did suggest 35mph :whistle:

Human body impact speed quoted is complete rot. Every motorsport driver would be dead!

Research suggests 18G.... that makes a bit of a difference :)
 
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dejongj said:
It should also be noted that it was reported that the human body can withstand an impact speed up to 18mph when strapped in. Thus despite all the safety measures that prevent you from obtaining external injuries, the internal injuries could be fatal.

A definite eye opener.
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Disappointing that you've come away more concerned about your own safety within your protective metal box, and not that of the soft squishy things you are likely to encounter in a 30 zone.
As my driving instructor used to say "remember when engaging gear not to disengage brain".
 
Llamaman said:
Disappointing that you've come away more concerned about your own safety within your protective metal box, and not that of the soft squishy things you are likely to encounter in a 30 zone.
As my driving instructor used to say "remember when engaging gear not to disengage brain".
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It sounds callous but I care infinitely more about my own life than I do that of others. Of course when driving I don't want to injure or kill others, but I certainly don't want to be hurt or killed myself. Hence I drive a Volvo, which will keep me safer than most cars out there. I didn't buy it for its predestrian auto braking crap but to save me worst happens
 
Llamaman said:
Disappointing that you've come away more concerned about your own safety within your protective metal box, and not that of the soft squishy things you are likely to encounter in a 30 zone.
As my driving instructor used to say "remember when engaging gear not to disengage brain".
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I think that is a rather unfair interpretation of what I've been going on about. The impact speed is very important it goes without saying that that is relevant to hitting other human beings and will be the difference between life of death. Hence the current focus on marginal speeding, and what someones impact speed will be and the 20 zones popping up everywhere.

However, when you are speeding with nobody around, and even when you have no damage, you are still severely at risk. 50% of fatalities are on rural roads and luckily many with nobody else involved.
 
omens said:
Round here there have been a few 40mph dual carriageway roads that have been downgraded without warning. One road that I use for commuting had roadworks for a week, sprouted lots of lamp posts and then had speed camera vans. Would have been nice to know the speed limit had changed. Maybe stick a 30 sign on a few of the lamp posts.
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Christmas is coming and they need to fund the police party :thumbs:

dejongj said:
I WAS WRONG!!!!
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Copied and pasted onto the staffroom ( bog) wall :D
 
I know, not something you'll see often in OOF ;) And still some respond saying that they have the correct answer whilst they didn't sigh :p
 
nilagin said:
Don't keep it to yourself, put it under his name below his Avatar so we can all be reminded. ;)
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Unfortunately us mods can't do that its an admin only function :(
( Which is probably safest TBH or you'd all have one :D )
 
Cobra said:
Unfortunately us mods can't do that its an admin only function :(
( Which is probably safest TBH or you'd all have one :D )
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Looks for 'report to admin' button..
 
although the OP did break the law, I'm willing to hazard a guess that the camera van was placed in a nice little earner spot rather than a accident blackspot or outside a school etc.

There"s a few places in warrington where they've had a space cut out for the van but none of them seem that dangerous a spot to me , however they are in places where you can't see them from a distance.

I really wish they'd concentrate the vans in areas where people are actually driving dangerously, somebody doing 40 in a 30 where pedestrians are walking about is much more likely to injure somebody that somebody doing 75 while exiting a dual carriageway on to a national limit road.

just this morning I witnessed a biker hit at least 90 on what was a national limit road but is now 40, this is in warrington in a built up area close to a school, I've never seen a police car let alone the van but it's a regular occurrence, cars and bikes.

I even caught an arnold clark test drive in a megane RS on my dashcam where they overtook me at 60 in a 30,by the time I got to the 40 they were out of sight.
 
wack61 said:
I'm willing to hazard a guess that the camera van was placed in a nice little earner spot
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Great. Good to see the police funding themselves through an illegal behavior tax rather than general taxation on the law-abiding. :D [/trolling]
 
EspressoJunkie said:
Well the letter arrived and I'm happy to say it was indeed 3 points and a £60 fine.

To be fair this has slowed me down, but now that I am driving the speed limit all the time, its really showing me just how many people aren't!

The que of people I get behind me in a 30 zone is really surprising, even though before I would have been one of those people. Guess its just more noticeable from this side!

I'm also getting 0.3 miles more to the gallon.....!
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I know that feeling! I recently sold a 3 litre BMW and bought a VW T4 van. I get nice queues behind me now, but at least the roads ahead of me are nice and clear :D I actually prefer driving slower now, I tend to just pootle along at or slightly below the speed limit, singling along to the music. I feel much more relaxed when I get to my destination now :lol:
 
Carl Hall said:
I tend to just pootle along at or slightly below the speed limit, singling along to the music
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Stop singling & get yer foot down, man! It's you that is causing them points because they overtake you. :LOL:
 
Carl Hall said:
My foot is down! Most of the 88 horses that came with the van have jumped out and escaped, and the ones that are left are old and tired :LOL: :D
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Maybe try driving past the Findus factory a few times - might put a bit of fear back into 'em.
 
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