5D Mark II Finally Announced - Official Discussion Thread

The new battery:

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2046


By switching to a new type of battery incompatible with the old BP-511a they have

1) Annoyed those with a stack of BP-511s which they won't be able to use, nor the charger.

2) Annoyed those who have the Canon M80 portable storage device/viewer which uses the BP-511s

3) Seriously crippled the chances of getting 3rd party batteries at a reasonable price (e.g £5 off ebay as opposed to £50 for the Canon original)

4) I'm sure there's a fourth one but I can't think of it yet.

However, the new batteries do look good, which may be some compensation.
 
MisterE said:
The new battery:
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I suspect they had no choice given the increased power drain of live view and video. Canon have been very good about sticking with battery types until the recent releases which have all included live view. I suspect the new battery types will be around for a few years and you'll be surprised at just how quickly the knock off batteries will appear on the bay.
 
MisterE said:
The new battery:
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I suspect they had no choice given the increased power drain of live view and video. Canon have been very good about sticking with battery types until the recent releases which have all included live view. I suspect the new battery types will be around for a few years and you'll be surprised at just how quickly the knock off batteries will appear on the bay.
 
CT has it about right for me. Canon have been brilliant over the years at launching cameras for SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS. Hence the 5D and the almost cult following it has. If you want to shoot sports or need the ultimate in resolution, weather sealing, 10fps, then go and buy a 1 series becuase that's what they do!

Any all rounder is always going to be a compromise, hence the D3 (which I do think is a fab camera btw) It's 12mp though, so if you are shooting for a magazine or stock, you are not going to get those 50mb uncompressed TIFFs without interpolation. That's why Canon launched the 1DsII. You get exactly that from it, 50MB TIFF's.

The two companies are taking slightly different routes to the market IMHO. Canon have a much wider range with specific features for specific applications. You have 50D, 5D, 1D and 1Ds. While Nikon have D700 and D3. Inevitably the features of the 4 Canons have to be diluted into the 2 Nikons. Compromise is then the name of the game.

Now if you are looking for an all rounder, perhaps Nikon would be the route of choice, after all they do most things well. If you are more specific in your requirements (and most pros are) then you may choose Canon to get the top end features that you feel you really need.

Horses for courses.

The video kind of surprised me with this one, initially I thought what the ****, why would I want that? Then I thought about it for ohhhh about a nanosecond. If you are a wedding tog and you have a couple walking down the isle. You shoot that as a video, in high resolution and then, in the comfort of your computer, you select the best frame for the album.

Making any sense now guys?

Specific application. Nice one Canon.
 
AliB said:
If you want to shoot sports or need the ultimate in resolution, weather sealing, 10fps, then go and buy a 1 series becuase that's what they do!
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What if you wanted FF, decent resolution, high iso, 5fps and don't shoot sports? Nikon managed to do this. 5fps is fast enough for my handheld HDR work and I want FF for portraiture. High iso for events and gigs. I'm not arsed about it being 21mp really. Not everyone fits nicely into categories. Its not a split between landscape and sports despite what Canon seem to think.
 
petemc said:
What if you wanted FF, decent resolution, high iso, 5fps and don't shoot sports? Nikon managed to do this. 5fps is fast enough for my handheld HDR work and I want FF for portraiture. High iso for events and gigs. I'm not arsed about it being 21mp really. Not everyone fits nicely into categories. Its not a split between landscape and sports despite what Canon seem to think.
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this is what i was hoping the 5Dmk2 would be......... sadly not. i'm hoping the 1ds mk4 will do all this, but it's probably gonna cost about 5k to begin with and i'm not prepared to pay that for a camera body!!!!
 
Exactly. There's no reason for me to buy a sports body at £4-5k. Its got features I don't need and is just a waste of money. 5dm2 could have been a really good camera with a couple of tweaks. Not asking for a 1d AF or 10fps, just a bit better. They could have done 5fps and let the 50D still beat it on fps just like the 30D did the original 5d.
 
Coming back to the price thing... its not surprising actually, look at the price of the 50D vs the 40D - you can see how its added 400 quid, which must be the Digic 4 and the new sensor...

Expect to see the 1D MkIV next year take a similar price ramp...
 
petemc said:
What if you wanted FF, decent resolution, high iso, 5fps and don't shoot sports? Nikon managed to do this.
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If you are convinced that Nikon is offering you what you want then go and do what DiegoGarcia did and buy a Nikon. Then you can complain about the lack of weatherproofing, or the lens range.

You are a very talented tog Pete, don't get so hung up on a 1fps difference or a couple of thousand MP. Unless they are truly critical to your work. If you consider that they are then you have already made your choice.
 
yip, i agree completely. i'd have happily sold my 1ds mk2 for a 5dmk2 if they'd upped their game just a little. some more AF points, semi-pro AF speed and 5fps shutter speed and i'd have been pre-ordering one!

i'm sure the 5Dmk2 will turn out to be a very popular camera, and no doubt people will love the 21Mp, although it's completely un-necessary. tbh, i feel the 16MP that the 1dsmk2 is about all anyone really requires, unless you are doing bill-boards.....

a few more tweeks and this camera could have been the new one to have....

i'm not jumping ship as i have way too much money in canon stuff to move, so i really hope that the new 1 series bodies are all they should be! i may have to re-mortgage the house to stay with canon and be happy.....
 
AliB said:
The two companies are taking slightly different routes to the market IMHO. Canon have a much wider range with specific features for specific applications. You have 50D, 5D, 1D and 1Ds. While Nikon have D700 and D3. Inevitably the features of the 4 Canons have to be diluted into the 2 Nikons. Compromise is then the name of the game.
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You forget the D300......
 
nowler said:
yip, i agree completely. i'd have happily sold my 1ds mk2 for a 5dmk2 if they'd upped their game just a little. some more AF points, semi-pro AF speed and 5fps shutter speed and i'd have been pre-ordering one!
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Actually TBH we did have a wish list thread and I did say that to upgrade the 5D then the autofocus would have been my first port of call. I bought a 1DsII on that basis alone (I have Papa to thank for that one! lol)
The 21MP is overkill and I too would happily sacrifice the extra 5MP for better AF. After all, no point in tons of resolution for an OOF shot!

Yeah, I do get where you care coming from on that one.

But I do get the video thing for weddings, that could be brilliance!
 
AliB said:
If you are convinced that Nikon is offering you what you want then go and do what DiegoGarcia did and buy a Nikon. Then you can complain about the lack of weatherproofing, or the lens range.

You are a very talented tog Pete, don't get so hung up on a 1fps difference or a couple of thousand MP. Unless they are truly critical to your work. If you consider that they are then you have already made your choice.
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I've already posted in this thread saying why I won't be. Its annoying to see people say that the 5dm2 isn't a sports camera and if you want to shoot sports buy a 1D because I don't shoot sports :) I just wanted it to be a little bit more. Not a lot. Just a little.
 
AliB said:
But I do get the video thing for weddings, that could be brilliance!
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One issue though. If you tell the B&G you can do video then whats the one moment they want recording? First kiss, exchange of rings, "I do" etc. So then you get the video but miss the photo.
 
barneyrubble said:
You forget the D300......
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No I didn't Barney, not in the same league as the others IMHO. At that rate I'd have to include all sorts of gear! Just looking at the points the guys were making re specs. (At which I'm not a great expert, I'd much rather look at pictures! lol)
 
petemc said:
One issue though. If you tell the B&G you can do video then whats the one moment they want recording? First kiss, exchange of rings, "I do" etc. So then you get the video but miss the photo.
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No Pete, you take a still from the video AS the photo afterwards. :thumbs:

You can do both at the same time.
 
AliB said:
No I didn't Barney, not in the same league as the others IMHO. At that rate I'd have to include all sorts of gear! Just looking at the points the guys were making re specs. (At which I'm not a great expert, I'd much rather look at pictures! lol)
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The D300 isnt in the same league as the 50D?
 
Is it the spec or the price that is irritating people? I think almost Tyrone is right, the MKII will be £1695 in a few months and even as Nikon user I think it's a lot of camera for that sort of money.......
 
AliB said:
No I didn't Barney, not in the same league as the others IMHO. At that rate I'd have to include all sorts of gear! Just looking at the points the guys were making re specs. (At which I'm not a great expert, I'd much rather look at pictures! lol)
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You mention the 50D which is the direct competitor to the D300, but say Nikon only has 2 cameras in that range and Canon 4. Make quite a difference to your argument.
 
barneyrubble said:
You forget the D300......
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And wait 'till the anticipated D3X appears to mix it even more!

God bless competition... Imagine how slowly cameras would evolve if Nikon and Canon didn't have each other to spar with!

Flashy
 
It's so annoying. Basically in 3 years they have given it 21MPs that nobody even wanted and high ISO capability. Nice work canon.
 
Flashman said:
And wait 'till the anticipated D3X appears to mix it even more!

God bless competition... Imagine how slowly cameras would evolve if Nikon and Canon didn't have each other to spar with!

Flashy
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There were rumours of an announcement today - but I guess not.....
 
AliB said:
If you are a wedding tog and you have a couple walking down the isle. You shoot that as a video, in high resolution and then, in the comfort of your computer, you select the best frame for the album.

Making any sense now guys?

Specific application. Nice one Canon.
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Don't forget thought whilst your looking through the Video to pick your "Killer Still" out of the 1000's that you'll have to trawl through, you've only captured 1920x1080 (Full HD resolution)
Start to crop anything off this, from it's ratio of 16:9 (1.77) to the stardard camera ratio of 3:2 (1.5) then your left with hardly any of your original resolution are you??

Granted for a wedding album this might not be any issue, just hope they don't pick that one to be printed on a 30x20 :gag:

AliB said:
No I didn't Barney, not in the same league as the others IMHO. At that rate I'd have to include all sorts of gear! Just looking at the points the guys were making re specs. (At which I'm not a great expert, I'd much rather look at pictures! lol)
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Not sure how you can't include the D300 as it shares the same sensor and many of the features as the D700 and D3 you included:thinking: Read Ken Rockwell's reviews and he sees very little difference in all three cameras. :shrug:
 
Sample shots for the first 5D were also poor from memory.

I am happy with the new 5D - Will probably wait til it comes down to around £1800 as that is what I think it is worth.
 
petemc said:
One issue though. If you tell the B&G you can do video then whats the one moment they want recording? First kiss, exchange of rings, "I do" etc. So then you get the video but miss the photo.
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I am with Pete on this

If the bride & Groom want video, surely they will hire a videographer. A dedicated Camcorder with a VIDEO LIGHT will producre the goods but not a bodge job stills camera without lighting.
CANON have so lost the plot. :(

here's an idea for the 5d MKIII.....lets have a built in printer to sell snap shots on location, B+W @ 600X480 72dpi.
here's an idea for the 5d MKIV.....Built in alarm clock and teas maid to wake the tog up nice and early on the wedding day
 
Mr THX said:
Don't forget thought whilst your looking through the Video to pick your "Killer Still" out of the 1000's that you'll have to trawl through, you've only captured 1920x1080 (Full HD resolution)
Start to crop anything off this, from it's ratio of 16:9 (1.77) to the stardard camera ratio of 3:2 (1.5) then your left with hardly any of your original resolution are you??

Granted for a wedding album this might not be any issue, just hope they don't pick that one to be printed on a 30x20 :gag:



Not sure how you can't include the D300 as it shares the same sensor and many of the features as the D700 and D3 you included:thinking: Read Ken Rockwell's reviews and he sees very little difference in all three cameras. :shrug:
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D300 has an APS-C sensor.

D3 has FF - different Sensor.

There is definately a difference in image quality between the two. D3 is far far better. D300 is very very good though.
 
Mr THX said:
Not sure how you can't include the D300 as it shares the same sensor and many of the features as the D700 and D3 you included:thinking: Read Ken Rockwell's reviews and he sees very little difference in all three cameras. :shrug:
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Uncle Ken also says the 18-200 VR is the only lens worth using, apart from the 18-55 kit lens, which he says is better than a 17-55.....
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Is it the spec or the price that is irritating people? I think almost Tyrone is right, the MKII will be £1695 in a few months and even as Nikon user I think it's a lot of camera for that sort of money.......
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It will prove to be the sort of camera, like the 5D Mk I, which you can buy and rely on to be as good as or better than the competition for a number of years and any given situation, from gig photography to portrait. Sports photographers have their own requirements and I don't think the 5D II is aimed at them. My 5D is still a solid performer and will be for years to come.

As I've also said before, the video is aimed squarely at press photographers who will find it very useful.
 
Tyrone Shoelaces said:
As I've also said before, the video is aimed squarely at press photographers who will find it very useful.
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Still not sure. I planned on taking my G9 to get some footage of La Machine the other week but I forgot. If I had I probably wouldn't have used it because I was too busy taking photos. At the time I thought it would be nice to flick the dial, get a movie and continue but the photographer in me would be kicking myself for missing that one photo. On paper I can see its use but I dunno. I'd probably use it more for my nephew.
 
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