5D Mark II Finally Announced - Official Discussion Thread

I'm more insulted by the rip off britain prices to be honest, $2700 is about £1500, can someone explain why we have to pay an extra £800? I swear they just pluck the figures out of the air
 
Jelster said:
You can still find brand new 1D Mk11's for about £2,400 - I very nearly committed to one last week.
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Jelster, 1D MkIII is now £2339.00 at Warehouse Express!
 
Well I really didn't expect 21 mp, but I suppose we shouldn't be surprised given that the 50D gets 15mp. :shrug:

I'll look forward to the WE hands on review later today. :D
 
...and I just got an email for WHE, 5DMKII is £2299.99 body only on pre-order. It does make the 1DmkIII look very attractive unless you really need the mp and video.
 
I need video as much as I need a phone in my camera. Wait a minute, my phone has got video and a camera. :(

Any news on a 1D Mark IIIn anyone?
 
I already have a 1D MK IIN - 40D and quite fancy a 5D series camera for my portrait and wedding work.

I quite fancy this - sure it is a wee bit expensive but the price will come down and when it does I will probably buy it. All about the bang for buck I guess - its not an amazing camera in terms of upgrade from the MK 1 however I think I would buy one.

Having a 1D series means I am confident of capturing anything that moves fast - just need to work on my static stuff :)
 
This movie mode malarky....I'm guessing it would produce the same results as using a 35mm film camera, with the DOF etc...which cannot be obtained using even the higher end digital video cameras? Might be interesting to amateur filmmakers!
 
petebarnes said:
I'm more insulted by the rip off britain prices to be honest, $2700 is about £1500, can someone explain why we have to pay an extra £800? I swear they just pluck the figures out of the air
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And this is my only problem with the camera. Although I'm sure prices will drop, but so will the dollar price. Ho hum.. :shrug:
 
petebarnes said:
I'm more insulted by the rip off britain prices to be honest, $2700 is about £1500, can someone explain why we have to pay an extra £800? I swear they just pluck the figures out of the air
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VAT and duty? 17.5% VAT on top of $2700 is a few hundred quid of it... not sure how much duty adds on to that. I reckon that must account for some of the difference at least. :thinking:
 
after all the waiting im not that impressed :( 1D for me i think :lol:
 
Remember this is only Canon's RRP and it will be cheaper when it finally hits the high street, places like WHE have only the rrp to go on before its launched so they go with that price for pre-orders.

I hope :)
 
Flashman said:
VAT and duty? 17.5% VAT on top of $2700 is a few hundred quid of it... not sure how much duty adds on to that. I reckon that must account for some of the difference at least. :thinking:
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$2700 + duty + vat works out to around £1900 so there's still about £400 going somewhere...
 
Yeah that extra prong on the plug must be the reason :D
 
Personally I think the video mode is the shape of things to come. Imagine full-frame full-resolution video at 60fps from which you can pick the still you want. This is already the way some newspapers are going (pulling stills from Sky News HD feeds for example) and there are quite a few pros out there shooting both stills and HD video at the moment. It therefore makes sense to combine the two.

The power of mega-quality interchangable L-lenses on a stills/video body will be quite significant. Compared to high quality video camera lenses, our L kit is cheap as chips!!

However, I wont bother with the 5Dmk2 personally. I dont need the extra pixels and will wait for the movie facility to increase in resolution. 9 focus points is pretty poor (though how many of us just use the centre one 95% of the time anyway). 3.9fps is a tad lardy as well.

In the meantime, my 1Dmk3 is just awesome. I was thinking I might need a 2nd body in the future and the 5Dmk2 would be it, but the 50D looks a better bet for the stuff I do at the moment.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Hang on a second, the price is not far off a 1ds MKIII ! and still about £700 more than the D700 !
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it's not far off the price of a 1D mk3 i think you mean? a 1Ds mk3 is about £4500 or so.
 
arghh!!!! very dissappointing!!

still 9 focus points and less than 4 fps, not a wise move. slight weather sealing from what i've read, but i'm not sure i'd like to stand out in the rain with it for very long....

21mp, well that's fine but not requried. the high ISO is very appealing but it's not gonna be enough on it's own to make me want to sell my 1Ds mk2.... looks like i'll have to hope the 1Ds mk4 is all i'd like it to be..........
 
nowler said:
arghh!!!! very dissappointing!!

still 9 focus points and less than 4 fps, not a wise move. slight weather sealing from what i've read, but i'm not sure i'd like to stand out in the rain with it for very long....

21mp, well that's fine but not requried. the high ISO is very appealing but it's not gonna be enough on it's own to make me want to sell my 1Ds mk2.... looks like i'll have to hope the 1Ds mk4 is all i'd like it to be..........
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10mm rain in 3 minutes... should be enough to run for some cover :P
 
Half pleased half disappointed..

My first reaction was...is that it?

For me the resolution, improved screen pixel count, Digic IV processor are very welcome. Most disappointing is the fps rate, AF zones and "weather sealing".

As for the HD video capture, does nothing for me I'm afraid, but can see that some people will welcome it. For me, a DSLR should just be that and not a jack of all trades. A video camera would be better served still in a mobile phone.

Just IMHO

Waiting for the 1D IV to come out. I'd **** myself laughing if that came with video facility as well!

My prediction is that this will be announced at PMA in Las Vegas in February and will have 15MP. Watch this space :woot:
 
I do wonder what people were expecting. The frame count is probably low because of the resolution. The D700 is cheaper presumably partly as it has fewer pixels. I'm really interested in the high ISO performance as my 1DSII is not good above 400. The focus is a shame, but it is not the camera aimed at that market - as others have said, that is what the 1D is for.

As for the £2k price tag, I think people forget how much 5D's were when they came out. I paid £1800 for mine.

I just hope this signals that the 1D will get an upgrade to Digic 4 and a higher resolution sensor. Until then, I'll stick with my pair on Mk IIs
 
just checking the specs and so on detailed on tpreview's preview. its like a 1 series in a small body. which is nice, now for those sample shots...
 
grumpybadger said:
I do wonder what people were expecting.
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Canon D700. They could have sacrificed a few mp for a faster fps and I think pleased more people.

As for the £2k price tag, I think people forget how much 5D's were when they came out. I paid £1800 for mine.
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Its listed at £2.3k not £2k. I paid £1100 for my 10D when it came out and £750 for my 30D. The 40D was about £850 on launch? Based on Canon's previous actions I don't believe people expected it to be over £2k.
 
I'm quite confused by a lot of people's reactions, the 5D has always been a niche camera and this new model is aimed squarely at that niche. It's not a sports camera and never was... where you expecting them to make it into one?

As for the video it's a welcome step imo and would be one of the main selling points of this camera to me I just wish it could do a higher fps at lower video resolutions.
 
The UK price probably has something to do with the foreign exchange rates... the pound got weak suddenly remember...
 
petemc said:
Canon D700. They could have sacrificed a few mp for a faster fps and I think pleased more people.



Its listed at £2.3k not £2k. I paid £1100 for my 10D when it came out and £750 for my 30D. The 40D was about £850 on launch? Based on Canon's previous actions I don't believe people expected it to be over £2k.
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Yes, but it is already reported as being £2k on a pre-order from some suppliers. RRP means very little.

Surely the 1D is the faster FPS, less MP camera...

The ranges don't match up entirely between Canon and Nikon and that's no bad thing.

It's the same res as a 1DSIII with claimed better noise performance for half the price. At that point, I think it looks a good deal.
 
Thinking about it, most buyers I reckon will buy this with a grip :shrug: which takes the price to that of just about a D3, so what's keeping people to stay with Canon? I've been thinking in terms of the FPS, AF points and Pro body etc with the Nikon....... it's a shame if the answer is just "Because I've got Canon lenses"

The whole "Wow it's got Digic 4 on it" makes you wonder if they hadn't moved up to 21mpxls if they really needed to have this:thinking: Is it just there to cope with nearly double the amount of pixels on the same size sensor....needs must sort of thing. At the end of the day are we any better off???
 
grumpybadger said:
Yes, but it is already reported as being £2k on a pre-order from some suppliers. RRP means very little.
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And still Canon's history showed that they were launching cameras at a cheaper price. Personally I was expecting it to be £2k simply due to the 50D's pricing. If they had launched the 50D at £850 then I may have expected the 5dm2 to be £1500.

Surely the 1D is the faster FPS, less MP camera...
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But without the ISO support. Put your hand up in the air if you would have been happier with 18mp and 6fps or was there a poll that said 21mp was absolutely needed?
 
I would go for 30mp at 1fps if it was offered.
 
if you have been watching prices recently the cost of nikon gear in the past few days has fallen, for example the D700 is now some £400 cheaper than it was when originally released...I can't imagine, after the tumble the 5D price took shortly after it was released back in 2005, the quite high tag of £2k(ish) will be around for too long with this one.
 
Apart from for birds in flight, I don't ever use burst mode. If you want 6fps, get the 50D. I wouldn't be surprised if Canon wanted to launch at £2k but as desantik said, the pound has slid recently. The big primes have recently gone up in price too. 21MP probably makes sense as they can evolve the 1DsIII sensor and then leave room for the 1DsIV to rival the (expected) D3x.

In many ways, the D3 is more of a 1D rival but with a full frame sensor - I wonder if the 1DIV will also be full frame.

That said, if you'd rather get a D700 or a D3 then get one. I reckon Canon has hit the nail on the head with this. It's not for me but if I did weddings or more landscapes, it would be...
 
petemc said:
Why?
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I very very rarely take more than one shot at once so the extra fps is wasted, why bother with a feature I've no intent on using I would prefer some extra pixels so I don't have to interpolate as much to get larger prints.

As the 5D is aimed towards that sort of photography I can see it as a perfectly logical move by Canon, sure they could of given less MP and slightly more FPS but then it would more be a camera that's generically good at most things instead of being really good at it's niche.
 
If you take mainly studio portraits you wouldn't need iso25,600. Maybe a 30mp 1fps camera would be good and essentially a cheap MF camera but we're not there yet with DSLR's and I'd guess studio photographers have their own MF setup already.
 
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