5D Mark II Finally Announced - Official Discussion Thread

I think we are slightly missing the point. For top end, super fast, lots of af points/fps etc Canon has the 1 series. The 5D MK1/2 is not designed or aimed at sports togs, people who want to shoot 100 frames at 6fps it's designed for that rare breed or photographers who take their time to compose their shots and don't need the speed.

At the end of the day you can hardly complain about the specs, it takes decent pics and will sell well. Very few people who have invested in Canon gear will suddenly change their mind a buy a Nikon D700 it just doesn't make economic sense.
 
George said:
Tyrone, sorry I can't see the relevance of that question
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The relevance is comparable to someone who isn't going to buy a 5D Mk II spending time working out the cost they imagine it might cost them if they imagine they might buy it and comparing that figure to someone who actually will buy a 5D Mk II for the price they will.

If you have friends in the US. If you have colleagues with an office in the US. If you work occasionally in the US and go to and fro with a large amount of camera kit, granted, you might not be an 'average' user of this forum but the fact remains where there's a will, there's a way.
 
Mr THX said:
What about a FF sensor camera that can also do 8-9 FPS, handles high ISO and has a superior AF system ............. like Nikon seam to be able to produce for around the same money.

I've lost count of the time people have posted on here "Well if you take.........Landscape/Wedding/Portraits (delete as appropriate) it's the camera for you" :thinking::cuckoo:

What wrong with wanting a camera that is good with sport too for the money.:shrug: Nikon seams to be able to do it why can't Canon?
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Well Nikon are producing an awesome camera with the D3 which gives you the all rounder you want but at 12 mp it's no match for the 5DMK2 for pure image quality, but it's no secret they'll be launching a 25mp sensor shortly anyway, which I suspect wont attempt to be the all rounder which the D3 is. Nikon and Canon have a different philosophy obviously, but the 5DMk2 will appeal instantly to those who see the benefits, and those are the people it's aimed at.

Canon are offering all the alternatives with three sensor sizes, and a few bodies, but they're not trying to cram it all into one camera.
 
Tyrone Shoelaces said:
The relevance is comparable to someone who isn't going to buy a 5D Mk II spending time working out the cost they imagine it might cost them if they imagine they might buy it and comparing that figure to someone who actually will buy a 5D Mk II for the price they will.

If you have friends in the US. If you have colleagues with an office in the US. If you work occasionally in the US and go to and fro with a large amount of camera kit, granted, you might not be an 'average' user of this forum but the fact remains where there's a will, there's a way.
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Tyrone, I have all of these, but your exchange rate calculation still leaves me puzzled!!:thinking::thinking:
 
George said:
I must say, as a dyed in the wool Canon user, I tend to agree with that comment, THX.

If I was starting out at the moment, I think I'd feel that Nikon is currently better value for money.
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But again, thats not really relevant. Most starting out won't be looking to spend more than £500 on their first body, let alone 3 or 4 times that price.

I know I wasn't, although I quickly moved onto a 5D :)
 
apkent said:
But again, thats not really relevant. Most starting out won't be looking to spend more than £500 on their first body, let alone 3 or 4 times that price.

I know I wasn't, although I quickly moved onto a 5D :)
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He probably meant starting out in this price-range. Which is where I'm at as we speak. 5D MKI or D700. Not got large investment in Canon atm so it's decision time.
 
Tyrone Shoelaces said:
Which is why you're missing something ;)
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Well, this has gone on long enough, if you have the time, I'd love to discuss it with you further, but an open forum is not the place to do that!!PM me with a mob and I'll happily do that, but at least we haven't got everyones hopes up of a 5D2 at £1500....not yet anyway!!
 
rdh said:
He probably meant starting out in this price-range. Which is where I'm at as we speak. 5D MKI or D700. Not got large investment in Canon atm so it's decision time.
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You have it in one, RDH.
 
George said:
Well, this has gone on long enough, if you have the time, I'd love to discuss it with you further, but an open forum is not the place to do that!!PM me with a mob and I'll happily do that, but at least we haven't got everyones hopes up of a 5D2 at £1500....not yet anyway!!
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I'm confident that I'll get a 5D Mk II for £1500 or thereabouts, give or take a few quid, and that'll do fer me ;)
 
I think you just need to be very clear in your mind, what your main needs are from a camera before you dive in. The game has increased in pace at an enormous rate over the last few months and I think we're going to see new models at all levels including flagship models, hitting the market at much shorter intervals - in fact it's already started. The pixel race slowed for a while, but new anti -noise technology is pushing the pixel count up to the stratosphere and there's a way to go yet. Wrong choices could prove very expensive! :gag:
 
Tyrone Shoelaces said:
If you have friends in the US. If you have colleagues with an office in the US. If you work occasionally in the US and go to and fro with a large amount of camera kit, granted, you might not be an 'average' user of this forum but the fact remains where there's a will, there's a way.
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Kerso?

I have just moved up from a 400D to a 40D, and am happy, my photography is not advanced enough to consider the expense of a FF body, but in the mean time, I shall be upgrading lenses too, if FF was the be all and end all for me, then maybe I would look at Nikon, but I am more than happy with the two Canon's I have had so far, and to be honest, I can't see the 5dMk2 being a camera I would look at.

I think it's better to learn how to use the 40D properly, than get by with a 5dMk2.
 
rdh said:
He probably meant starting out in this price-range. Which is where I'm at as we speak. 5D MKI or D700. Not got large investment in Canon atm so it's decision time.
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If I was 'starting out' I'd probably choose the D700 over the 5D Mk I but a camera is just a camera, pros use both Nikon and Canon and if you can't use both to good effect you're not a pro. If you disagree you're a fanboy who probably doesn't do photography for a living. If you are a pro who does photography for a living you will have chosen your kit wisely for your own purposes and you'll understand. Most Nikon users I've spoke to over the last 2 years of 5D ownership, who have expressed an interest in the 5D, say they would have bought into the Canon FF system if they hadn't already bought into their Nikkor lens collection and I guess that's why Nikon came on board with their FX sensor, to pull in the FF sensor Nikon bods. When I bought my 5D I did so for a reason and if the D700 had been on the market then I might have, probably would have, bought a D700 instead. But I might consider the current offering from Sony and the impending RED dSLR seems very exciting.
 
Anyone else concerned about the reliability of new canon products after the issues with the 1D III and the high number of 40Ds that have been in for repair?
 
I tell you 1 thing that the new 5Dmk2 will do.

When someone says "So, how many pixels does your camera have?"

No longer will you get the reply "Mine has 15 mega pixels, its better than yours" when you are holding a 40D or 5D or 1D and argue the point of pixels means nothing without skill, glass etc etc etc.

You can just say "21million" and shut them up.
 
People are comparing the 5D to the D700, and I don't think it's fair to make that comparison. The D700 has 12 megapixels. Nearly half of that of the 5D. Now, you could argue that you wouldn't ever need 21 megapixels, but that's beside the point, and hence the reason for few FPS. The 5D is aimed at anything that doesn't need speed. i.e. portraits, landscapes. You have the 40d/1d for that. Now, you might say "well why not get an all rounder? nikon can do it :S"
Nikon have sacrificed various aspects of the D700 (i.e. higher pixel count) for an all rounded camera. Great if you want an all rounded camera, but not so great if huge prints, heavy cropping, stock photography, used-to-medium-format-ness, etc are your thing.

I think I've just repeated what other people have said though :p
 
foodpoison said:
People are comparing the 5D to the D700, and I don't think it's fair to make that comparison. The D700 has 12 megapixels. Nearly half of that of the 5D. Now, you could argue that you wouldn't ever need 21 megapixels, but that's beside the point, and hence the reason for few FPS. The 5D is aimed at anything that doesn't need speed. i.e. portraits, landscapes. You have the 40d/1d for that. Now, you might say "well why not get an all rounder? nikon can do it :S"
Nikon have sacrificed various aspects of the D700 (i.e. higher pixel count) for an all rounded camera. Great if you want an all rounded camera, but not so great if huge prints, heavy cropping, stock photography, used-to-medium-format-ness, etc are your thing.

I think I've just repeated what other people have said though :p
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They are thou,

Similar price point (or launch price)
Both 1 down from the flagship model
Both Full Frame
 
The D700 is totally my next camera, but unfortunately it won't be. Here's why. I have this;

Canon 30D w/grip
Canon 10D w/grip

Canon 24-70 f/2.8
Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Sigma 10-20

Canon 430ex

I'm currently working on a book that requires me to take photos every day. Not to mention that I have shoots coming up. In order for me to buy the D700 I would be looking at spending probably around £5.5k and finding a buyer for my current gear.

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5dm2 is everything I wanted bar decent weather proofing (which given recent shoots would be rather nice but you can get kits to protect it) and its 1.1fps slower than my 30D.
 
Tyrone Shoelaces said:
If I was 'starting out' I'd probably choose the D700 over the 5D Mk I but a camera is just a camera, pros use both Nikon and Canon and if you can't use both to good effect you're not a pro. If you disagree you're a fanboy who probably doesn't do photography for a living. If you are a pro who does photography for a living you will have chosen your kit wisely for your own purposes and you'll understand. Most Nikon users I've spoke to over the last 2 years of 5D ownership, who have expressed an interest in the 5D, say they would have bought into the Canon FF system if they hadn't already bought into their Nikkor lens collection and I guess that's why Nikon came on board with their FX sensor, to pull in the FF sensor Nikon bods. When I bought my 5D I did so for a reason and if the D700 had been on the market then I might have, probably would have, bought a D700 instead. But I might consider the current offering from Sony and the impending RED dSLR seems very exciting.
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Absolutely, it's the photographer that constitutes a professional, not their kit.

The big thing for me is whether the D700's higher ISO/low noise, combined with excellent AF system, will yield faster shutter speeds in less light, with more accurate focusing. In turn this allows focus to be applied to positioning and composition, rather than constantly balancing shutter speed, focal length and aperture (and the rest), which seasoned pro's will do instinctively.

If the D700 will help in that regard - that extra bit of flexibility - it's a worthwhile purchase, for me :)
 
Ok, look at this way. The 5D has a degree of moisture sealing, more so than your 30D (which has none). Nikon make no claim about sealing on their lenses so what would you rather have?

5D with some sealing + sealed lenses
or
D700 with sealing + unsealed lenses

??
 
That makes some sense I guess :) I've never had an issue with weather sealing till last week. I've spent many hours out in the rain but last week, despite putting my gear in bags, my 10-20 contacts got messed up. A few days later on another shoot in torrential rain my 430ex packed up and I couldn't select an AF point. I guess there is something to be said for weather sealing :) Everything is ok now but its something thats on my mind. I could just buy those protective kits you can get.
 
Professional grade Nikon lenses are dust and moisture resistant, why would they not be, I'm sure there are exceptions, but you can't say every Canon L lens is either.
 
£700+ in the UK, they can kiss my hairy ass, i can see a trip to NY coming on:D
 
What's the warranty issue on bodies? I recall that it was either lenses or bodies that had worldwide warranties. I certainly wouldn't say no to a trip to NY for a 5dm2.
 
Lenses are usually covered, bodies aren't although CPN members have been given grace in the past.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't risk buying a body outside the UK. Kerso might be able to get a good price on one though...

and the money you save would still get you to NY and back ;)
 
That's what he says, I've never bought a body from him so I'm not sure how it works but I've never heard of anyone complain that they had problems with a warranty claim either.
 
pxl8 said:
That's what he says, I've never bought a body from him so I'm not sure how it works but I've never heard of anyone complain that they had problems with a warranty claim either.
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Well, their products are fine for cash back so i don't see why its a problem on warranty.
 
Kerso's camera's appear to be fine with warranty work in the UK, my 40D went in the other week with focus problems and all I was told was so long as it had a UK issued reciept it would be covered, and everything was done without any problems
 
petemc said:
The D700 is totally my next camera, but unfortunately it won't be.
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Know exactly what you mean. I thought long and hard about ditching Canon for the D3. I don't really care what the name is as long as it does the job. Nikon really have raised the bar as far as spec and value for money is concerned lately.

The 5D MkII interests me as much as the original did. Nice camera but just doesn't really suit anything I do.
 
Tyrone Shoelaces said:
I'm confident that I'll get a 5D Mk II for £1500 or thereabouts, give or take a few quid, and that'll do fer me ;)
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Tyrone, you are still taking up my challenge....so far your comments don't apply to anyone else....
 
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