5D Mark II Finally Announced - Official Discussion Thread

I don't see the point of video but don't judge a camera for having features I don't need. I've actually become a fan of resolution since having a 1Ds and it means you can crop more if you can't get the view you want. At this res, it is effectively a cropped sensor you can crop to in post and a full frame - that is useful to me.
 
petemc said:
If you take mainly studio portraits you wouldn't need iso25,600. Maybe a 30mp 1fps camera would be good and essentially a cheap MF camera but we're not there yet with DSLR's and I'd guess studio photographers have their own MF setup already.
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Pete

It doesn't matter - you don't like it so you don't buy it. Job done...
 
mole2k said:
I very very rarely take more than one shot at once so the extra fps is wasted, why bother with a feature I've no intent on using I would prefer some extra pixels so I don't have to interpolate as much to get larger prints.
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Thats fair enough regarding fps but at what size are you looking to print to if you need 30mp? Please don't say A3 :p
 
I couldn't care less about the FPS. It's not a sports camera. And I very rarely use anything other than the central focus point so that doesn't bother me. I'm more interested in how it performs with regards to noise at the high ISOs.
 
As someone else said, from Canons point of view, a do everything jack of all trades just wouldn't work financially - this has to have a niche and its the perfect development of the existing 5D.........plays to its strengths and leaves the rest of the range to work well with sports etc.

For a wedding tog or landscape photographer, this seems ideal.

As for price, we've seen whats happened to other new bodies released recently, it won't stay quite that expensive for long.
 
petemc said:
Thats fair enough regarding fps but at what size are you looking to print to if you need 30mp? Please don't say A3 :p
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I quite regularly do 30x20 with my 20d and it would be great to have more of those pixels non-interpolated :p
 
mole2k said:
I quite regularly do 30x20 with my 20d and it would be great to have more of those pixels non-interpolated :p
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Never bothered interpolating with my 10D or 30D. I'd imagine you could print to 30x20 fairly well with 12mp. In my mind the 5dm2 beats the d700 only in mp. I'm not going to defend the camera by saying its a niche product when Nikon can produce a camera with more features and sell it for less. I'm sure there are wedding and landscape photographers who will buy it. Would it have been so hard to make it available for wedding, landscape and photojournalists? I'm not talking about sports as it doesn't have the AF for that even if it was 10fps. But ya know with just a little tweaking I think they could have pleased more people without displeasing anyone. I just don't get it.
 
I do agree that more people would of been happy with the camera if it had more fps. For me this actually pretty much is my idea of an ideal camera but I can see how a lot of people with different shooting habits would of preferred to have sacrificed some mp for a higher fps.
 
Yeah. I'm just seriously annoyed with Canon for it. I've wanted a FF camera for months now but I couldn't get the 5D due to its 3fps limitation. The D3 came out and was great, then the D700. The D700 is exactly what I wanted and Canon were soon to launch the 5dm2. I really hoped it would have iso25,600, ff, and be 5fps. It wasn't and now I'm screwed out of an upgrade path. I don't need a 1D or 1Ds and the 50D doesn't do what I want. If they had gone for 15/18mp and 5fps then I would be pre-ordering one right now. As it stands I now need to raise a ton of money and sell my gear if I want to get a new camera. :(
 
I'm getting one !

If you don't like it, don't get one!

Oh lifes so easy when you break it down :p
 
petemc said:
Yeah. I'm just seriously annoyed with Canon for it. I've wanted a FF camera for months now but I couldn't get the 5D due to its 3fps limitation. The D3 came out and was great, then the D700. The D700 is exactly what I wanted and Canon were soon to launch the 5dm2. I really hoped it would have iso25,600, ff, and be 5fps. It wasn't and now I'm screwed out of an upgrade path. I don't need a 1D or 1Ds and the 50D doesn't do what I want. If they had gone for 15/18mp and 5fps then I would be pre-ordering one right now. As it stands I now need to raise a ton of money and sell my gear if I want to get a new camera. :(
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It's actually 4fps. :)

May be we should wait until the reviews are out and play with one in person before deciding the jump ship.
 
petemc said:
Yeah. I'm just seriously annoyed with Canon for it. I've wanted a FF camera for months now but I couldn't get the 5D due to its 3fps limitation. The D3 came out and was great, then the D700. The D700 is exactly what I wanted and Canon were soon to launch the 5dm2. I really hoped it would have iso25,600, ff, and be 5fps. It wasn't and now I'm screwed out of an upgrade path. I don't need a 1D or 1Ds and the 50D doesn't do what I want. If they had gone for 15/18mp and 5fps then I would be pre-ordering one right now. As it stands I now need to raise a ton of money and sell my gear if I want to get a new camera. :(
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Hear hear....Thats the kind of spec I wanted and have waited for along with a better AF.

I've voiced this view on the EOS forum......My wings are well and truly burnt! :bang:
 
Brocks said:
Hear hear....Thats the kind of spec I wanted and have waited for along with a better AF.

I've voiced this view on the EOS forum......My wings are well and truly burnt! :bang:
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And another, which was more or less my hopes and aspirations for this model..

As mentioned previously, a bit of a mixed reaction from me, but I'd rather have a compromise between fps and resolution..after all, the difference between 18 and 21mp isn't that much..
 
pxl8 said:
$2700 + duty + vat works out to around £1900 so there's still about £400 going somewhere...
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TBH I would just get one from Europe, only a smidgin more and no worry about import duty and tax...

Absolutely rediculous UK prices as usual:shake:

Unless the image quality is superb I wouldn't hesitate in getting a used Mk1, which in a way is good for me because Mk1's will probably go down in price and I wouldn't want to get a Mk2, thus saving money.:D
 
BTW, remember this stuff is made outside the EU... with it now doing moving video as well as stills it has a different import duty rate applied to it... more I think you will find.

Although you buy (indirectly) from Canon UK, they have to import this stuff from Japan, so the import duty and VAT is applied...
 
I'm with Tobers, I think the video function is quite interesting for amateur film makers. So long as it doesn't detract from the camera taking stills, which it shouldn't.

HD video through whatever lens you damn well like? How much would that be if you just bought a video camera?
 
Right, it's £2300 in the uk, and $2700 in the us.

Going on the US price, it's £1511 to get one from the US.

I'm sure that you can fly over and back fo less than £700.

I'd love one, never need it, but i'd love one, but i am also shocked that it's only 3.9fps. And HD video? Come on, who needs that? i know i don't and i'm pretty sure that it'll rape battery life when recording video.
 
Well, my mind is now made up, i've been waiting for the 5D mk2 for ages and was considering it, but i've decided to go for the 50D instead, what's the point in the movie mode, if you want to make HD movies, buy a bloody HD camcorder., they are smaller and more ergenomic for recording video and wouldn't take much space in your kit bag anyway.

I think Canon have shot themselves in the foot with this, the only thing that appeals is the 21.1mp sensor, but i'm happy to spend less than half and go for the 50D, i'm not fussed about full frame tbh.

I bet nikon are rubbing their hands together as we speak just waiting for all the disappointed Canon users to jump ship and go for the D700, i know i would if i was that bothered about full frame.

Bad move Canon.
 
Must admit I'm not sure selling all my gear because it's only 3.9fps is the best thing. D700 is great but I dunno.
 
Thinking about it, this is good. The price is the only turn-off for me.
When I do use burst, I'll be shooting with my 40d so it won't matter, and I'd use a 5d primarily for landscapes, portraits, etc, and it will do this exceptionally well (we hope :D)

Being a student, it's a long way before i can afford or even justify this camera, but hey! We can dream :)

The video feature is exciting too, does anyone know about sound or are we going to have to record that separately?
I'm all for this camera. If only I had more money to spend :(
I think I'll stick with my 40d (which I'm very happy with) and my 35mm before making a huge investment like this.
 
On balance it's a killer spec for a decent price, especially if it's bought in the US = c£1349.50 I make that about £1600 inc VAT
if you wanted to do it legally. If it's rated as a camcorder there may be duty to pay, too.

The HD video is aimed squarely at photojournalists and could come in well handy.

ISO 12800 (H1) will be very effective for gig photography, I've done gigs at 6400 f4 with no probs, anything higher than ISO 12800 will be useful for cavers and miners. Highlight tone priority is useful on the 450D so will be very useful on the 5D II. New LCD a la 450D will be a huge improvement on the 5D. I'm glad it will still use CF cards as I won't have to sell the 20GB's of cards I have. I can't wait to see it go head to head with a D3. Naturally I'll be getting one come xmas/new year. When I've chased down a few invoices and perhaps offloaded my trusty 5D although I might just keep it.
 
the video really interests me for the following reasons, A 'HD Camcorder' is basically p&s you will pay £2k for a good one that will actually get you proper controls, using the sensor in the 5D mk2 you should be able to get 35mm film like depth of field which the cheap HD camcorders cant even come close to.
 
will it be that viable??? how do you make something slightly better but charge nearly a grand more??? so it has 1080P do we all rush out and buy one:lol:

How many people rushed out and bought HD TVs only to find there picture slightly better, it's not the TV that determines the quality that only transmits the image onto the screen it's the source that determines the picture quality.



I run a 37" Samsung HDTV through a Virgin+ box with 1080 wide but i don't watch all my programmes in 1080-wide most are up-scaled from the HDMI lead, just as good so the analogy is.

:- It's not the Body that determines the quality that only captures an image, it's the len's that determines the picture quality.

I know the new 5D with a price £2,200 is not going to make ME run out and buy it, but there are weaker amongst us:) but it's the Glass/Source that the image passes through that determines the picture quality so why do people buy £2,200 cameras, because the chances are you will not take better pictures with it. so is it a video camera or a camera or medico at both, because it can not be master of all, or can it .

Regards Mark.
 
foodpoison said:
The video feature is exciting too, does anyone know about sound or are we going to have to record that separately?
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According to the spec, there is PCM sound

Movie Type MOV (Video: H.264, Sound: Linear PCM)
Movie Size HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9), SD 640 x 480 (4:3) -30fps
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What puzzles me is how do you get 16:9 HD from a 3:2 frame, unless the frame is cropped top and bottom, which sort of defeats the object. :thinking:
 
Caledonia said:
According to the spec, there is PCM sound



What puzzles me is how do you get 16:9 HD from a 3:2 frame, unless the frame is cropped top and bottom, which sort of defeats the object. :thinking:
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my TV Just scans the image and fits it best,

mark
 
I'm going to pay less than £1500 for the 5D II (no idea why anyone would pay £2200 ?) and it will sit
in the proper place between subject, L glass and me.

The HD video is of no particular importance to me but it might be nice to switch to video when it all kicks off and the 3.9fps doesn't cut it. You''ll be able to get a great screen grab from 30fps footage which will be broadcast quality and more than sufficient for print syndication. Quite a few photojournalists carry HDTV camcorders, some on monopods, to capture footage at an angle impossible with stills cameras. If the initial incarnation of the original FF sensor is anything to go by, Canon wouldn't release a new version unless it was jaw droppingly, blow the competition out of the water style competent. I can't imagine Canon not testing the new kit against the latest Nikon and Sony kit (Lets not mention RED yet, it'll only confuse the issue and stampede the dreamers)

I expect the 5D Mk II to be as subtle a landmark in digital photography as the original 5d was and still is.
 
Tyrone Shoelaces said:
I'm going to pay less than £1500 for the 5D II (no idea why anyone would pay £2200 ?) and it will sit
in the proper place between subject, L glass and me.

Tyrone, I'm sorry but I don't see at this time how anyone can get it for less than £1500.
Perhaps in the US in the future, but at the moment USD 2699=GBP1587 (assuming a tourist rate today of 1.7=1 which is probably too high, c/card cos will poss be less, perhaps 1.67. If you ship out of state to avoid state taxes (quite legal in the US) you will have still have element of shipping.

You then have to add on travel, unless you are going there anyway. If you don't pay VAT on entry to the UK, you may be asked at any time in the future to produce a UK receipt if customs decide to go through your possesions. (there is no duty on cameras, just VAT). So that gives us a legal price min of £1865. Still a saving, but not dyet under £1500.
Or am I missing something?

George
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Hmmmm, disapointed with the MKII, I really was expecting more.

In my opinion, no need for 21MP, seems a bit over the top to me. 9 point AF? Seriously? I was expecting like 25 point. Video recording aswel seems like a bit of a waste of time, i'd never use it.

Don't think i'l be buying one, especially not at that price.
 
I just wonder what some people expect for the money! :shrug:

Anyone who shoots stock library images will get images straight out of the camera larger than stock library minimum requirements making life a lot easier, and at a much cheaper price than the cost of a 1DSMK3.

At 21mp the camera will be only just behind the 40D for the cropping advantage with wildlife and long lenses, so it's arguably a very good all rounder. I suspect that at the price it's also going to attract a lot of people who have shot medium format till now, but who've resisted the price of the 1DSMK3.
 
CT said:
it's also going to attract a lot of people who have shot medium format till now, but who've resisted the price of the 1DSMK3.
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Even more tempting for people who shot med format film and didn't want to spank £4.5k on the 1Ds Mk II awesomeness and opted for the
5D as a very usable stop gap. Essentially, the 5D Mk II is a low rent 1Ds Mk II without the full weather sealing and with a new sensor :thumbs:
 
Tyrone Shoelaces said:
Can I ask if you will be buying a 5D Mk II ?
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Tyrone, sorry I can't see the relevance of that question, I'm only concerned with factual comparisons. As I already have a full frame body, the answer is in fact no, but I may be tempted by a 50D to replace my 40D!!
George
 
CT said:
I just wonder what some people expect for the money! :shrug:
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What about a FF sensor camera that can also do 8-9 FPS, handles high ISO and has a superior AF system ............. like Nikon seam to be able to produce for around the same money.

I've lost count of the time people have posted on here "Well if you take.........Landscape/Wedding/Portraits (delete as appropriate) it's the camera for you" :thinking::cuckoo:

What wrong with wanting a camera that is good with sport too for the money.:shrug: Nikon seams to be able to do it why can't Canon?
 
Mr THX said:
What about a FF sensor camera that can also do 8-9 FPS, handles high ISO and has a superior AF system ............. like Nikon seam to be able to produce for around the same money.

I've lost count of the time people have posted on here "Well if you take.........Landscape/Wedding/Portraits (delete as appropriate) it's the camera for you" :thinking::cuckoo:

What wrong with wanting a camera that is good with sport too for the money.:shrug: Nikon seams to be able to do it why can't Canon?
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I must say, as a dyed in the wool Canon user, I tend to agree with that comment, THX.

If I was starting out at the moment, I think I'd feel that Nikon is currently better value for money.

I just hope that changes, but I don't think this should develop into the old Canon-Nikon debate!!....but it inevitably will:bonk::bonk::bonk:
 
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