10 Stop ND Filer

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Dioes anyone have any idea where I can get a 10 stop ND Filter (77mm thread)?

Ive searched a few places but they seem to be sold out!!

Ideally id like a screw in (to go on a Canon 10-22mm and 17-40mm).

In addition, what do you think is a fair price for such a filter?

Cheers
 
I have the B+W 77mm 110ND, works well although it does produce a magneta colour cast - which I hear is normal though.
 
i have read some very good reviews of the Hoya NDx400, have yet to find a supplier with a good price though i.e < £100
 
Another Heliopan recommendation from me. See comparison shots of the Heliopan and Lightcraft here.
 
You havnt said how much you want to spend boccers... Do you want a screw type or slot type? I have the Heliopan 10 stop which is great! It was bought from teamwork and theyre great i have to say. One thing i would say from my experiences is i can see why it would be better to go with the slot type as if you were to do landscape or seascape you may want to use a Grad aswell. With the 10 stop once its on you pretty much cant see though it. I have the full set of Hitech Slot type ND's and i can really see how i would benefit from a slot type 10 stop like the new Hitech one. You can then line up your grads then slide in the 10 stop as you would with the Lee kit.
The Heliopan and other screw types do have the thread on the front so you can add the Cokin P adapter with grads after but as i say its tricky to line the grad up. I did manage this on Wed night at Amble. Heres my shot using the Heliopan and a Hitech 3 stop hard grad. I could just see through the 10 stop on this occasion due to the sky being bright but its a chew on!

Amble Sunset by gizto29, on Flickr
As i mentioned Hitech have a new 10 stop slot filter which is £48 for 85mm or £62 for the 100mm which you may need for 77mm. They fit in the Cokin P/Z Adapter or Hitechs own adapter.

Hope this helps, Phil
 
in practical terms, what is the difference between the uncoated, coated, and multi-coated filters?
 
in practical terms, what is the difference between the uncoated, coated, and multi-coated filters?

In practical terms, not a great deal. With any filter, you get at least some flare and ghosting.

Flare - bright light sources are diffused within the material and made larger, sometimes spreading a thin layer of veiling glare over the whole image, reducing contrast slightly. Glass is better for this than resin/acrylic, and the thinner the material, the better.

The other problem is sensor reflections, where bright light-sources, eg the sun in a sunset, bounces off the sensor and back again off the rear of the filter, which shows up as a repeat ghost image. This is most common at low f/numbers, because at higher f/numbers the light path back through the lens is narrowed by the aperture blades so unless the light is right in the middle, it often bounces off to one side fairly harmlesly. Coating reduces the brightness of the ghost quite a lot, but certainly doesn't eliminate it. Mulitcoating is better still, but not massively.

Edit: since these filters are quite often used for sunsets, it can be a problem. You can't see ghosts through the viewfinder, though they are visible in live-view, but you need to check at the shooting aperture. This is usually impossible in practise as live-view just doesn't work with the filter on, especially when the lens is stopped down, so you have to take a picture to check. However, the best way to avoid ghosts is to move the sun off-centre so you don't get them in the first place, rather than trying to reduce them with multi-coating.
 
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Thanks guys all very helpful. I'd spend upto 100 quid in a good 10 stop and I'd want a screw filter for sure. I use Cokin for grad filters but like the security of a screw in
 
Just a quick question chaps, as has previously been pointed out on the thread, a slip in filter may be best as it would also allow the use of a grad. Given I love landscapes what would you recommend ?

My main issue I guess is that I don't want to be in the same position as I was before I invested in grad filters (ie having to darken the sky or lighten the foreground in post production).

Ideally what I guess I want is a 10 stop to blur clouds etc etc but I also want to be able to use a grad to get the sky/foreground balance correctly exposed.

So, with all that in mind (and i'm not sure if i'm being clear here) what would you suggest?

My kit as it stands is (for landscapes) the Canon 10-22mm lens plus Cokin ND Grad filters (ND4 and ND8). I had wanted to add a 10 stop (I hadnt really considered still getting the balance right between the sky and foreground).

So, any advice on what piece of kit I should grab (in the 10 stop range to complement what I already have) would be appreciated.

Thanks again
 
Why do you want a screw in filter?
 
Why do you want a screw in filter?


To be honest I hate all the fumbling about with Cokin Filters. Adapter ring, filter holder, filter etc etc, screw in just seems so much easier and then of course ive heard of the problems with using multiple slide ins.

Having said all that, if it will produce the best results then of course id go for slide in filters.
 
Andrew, I'd recommend the Hitech 10-stop drop-in filter. It does give quite a blue cast, but it's not as bad as to justify the comment about unsuitability for colour photography.

Thanks!! I see hat the decription say that is is not appropriate to use that system for colour photography.

Ideally id like a system that includes a 10 stop plus grads that can be used interchangably. Any takers?
 
I had a HiTech 10 stop and hated it. Light reflected on to the back of the filter and made the images unusable. You could make a shroud I suppose, but I couldn't be bothered messing around with that. I've just ordered a Heliopan 10 stop from Amazon.
If you're happy to make a shroud to block the reflected light then HiTech is probably the way to go, if you want slot-in. The only alternative I know of is Lee filters. They are expensive and the Big Stopper is very difficult to get hold of. The waiting list is several months long, as it is with most of their gear.
 
The Lee Big Stopper is pretty good although costly. It had a foam seal/gasket just inside the edges to stop light leaking in.

It does give a slight colour cast, but wouldn't say its unusable straight out the camera.

I opted for the slot in type as I still wanted to be able to use a grad infront of it to control the sky if and when necessary. I place the grad according the scene in outer slot, then slip the 10stopper in the inner slot. It would be frustrating to try and do this with a screw-in 10stop if you think you might need a grad at some point. Also the Lee is around £90 which isn't all the more expensive for what it is - in photography monies anyway.
 
The Lee Big Stopper is pretty good although costly. It had a foam seal/gasket just inside the edges to stop light leaking in.

It does give a slight colour cast, but wouldn't say its unusable straight out the camera.

I opted for the slot in type as I still wanted to be able to use a grad infront of it to control the sky if and when necessary. I place the grad according the scene in outer slot, then slip the 10stopper in the inner slot. It would be frustrating to try and do this with a screw-in 10stop if you think you might need a grad at some point. Also the Lee is around £90 which isn't all the more expensive for what it is - in photography monies anyway.

Thanks for that.

Where So what would I need from the Lee range to fit a 77mm thread? I presume adaptor ring, filter holder and then a big stopper and a couple of grad filters? What are you packing on the Lee side of things?

p.s. any idea where they can be sourced from? They seem to be sold out in most places!
 
Thanks!! I see hat the decription say that is is not appropriate to use that system for colour photography.

Yes, but I don't know why. There is a blue cast, but it's easily fixed in post-processing. Here's a shot with the filter...

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And without....

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Thanks for that.

Where So what would I need from the Lee range to fit a 77mm thread? I presume adaptor ring, filter holder and then a big stopper and a couple of grad filters? What are you packing on the Lee side of things?

p.s. any idea where they can be sourced from? They seem to be sold out in most places!

You would need a 77mm wide angle adaptor ring and a filter holder. Apart from the Big Stopper, you would want one or more ND Grads. They come in a range of strengths from 1 stop to 3 stops. They also come in hard and soft graduations. Hard are best for level horizons, like seascapes and soft are better for shots where hills, mountains, etc. are included.
As I stated in my previous post, Lee filters and accessories are in short supply. Look at Morco, StudioDirekt, WarehouseExpress or EBay. Also keep an eye on forum classifieds, I've just sold a lot of my Lee gear.
 
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Yes, but I don't know why. There is a blue cast, but it's easily fixed in post-processing. Here's a shot with the filter...

SOOC0012.JPG


And without....

SOOC0001.JPG

Thanks Frank.

Excuse the stupidity of this question but is the 100mm filter OK to use on a 77mm thread? Presume I should buy an adapter rink, holder and drag filters in addition to the 10 stop
 
Thanks for that.

Where So what would I need from the Lee range to fit a 77mm thread? I presume adaptor ring, filter holder and then a big stopper and a couple of grad filters? What are you packing on the Lee side of things?

p.s. any idea where they can be sourced from? They seem to be sold out in most places!

Andrew, I put another reply on the other thread - bit confusing this :lol:

I had to wait on the 10Stopper, ordered it in Feb and didn't get delivery till May. This was the estimate so it wasn't late. I got it from Warehouse Express and I got the Lee Foundation kit and Wide Angle Adapter ring from Calumet. The Grad from was Hitech / Teamwork Photo.
 
Thanks Frank.

Excuse the stupidity of this question but is the 100mm filter OK to use on a 77mm thread? Presume I should buy an adapter rink, holder and drag filters in addition to the 10 stop

That one will fit in a Cokin P holder. So you can use it with your ND Grads.
 
To be honest I hate all the fumbling about with Cokin Filters. Adapter ring, filter holder, filter etc etc, screw in just seems so much easier and then of course ive heard of the problems with using multiple slide ins.

Err.......a slide in 10 stop is far easier to use than a screw in. You'll find that you'll have to take the filter off to compose and meter. A square filter and holder will just clip on and off quickly each time, but repeatedly screwing in and screwing off a 10 stop will rapidly turn into a right ballache.
 
I had a HiTech 10 stop and hated it. Light reflected on to the back of the filter and made the images unusable. You could make a shroud I suppose, but I couldn't be bothered messing around with that. I've just ordered a Heliopan 10 stop from Amazon.
If you're happy to make a shroud to block the reflected light then HiTech is probably the way to go, if you want slot-in. The only alternative I know of is Lee filters. They are expensive and the Big Stopper is very difficult to get hold of. The waiting list is several months long, as it is with most of their gear.

The new Hitech Pro 10 stopper has a foam gasket like the Big Stopper, and doesn't seem to suffer from Light leaks.
 
That one will fit in a Cokin P holder. So you can use it with your ND Grads.

Thank you.

Well, ive just ordered the Hitech 10 stop (to use in conjunction with my Cokin P Series grad filters etc). Was really swayed by the fact that it will slide into the filter holder I already have etc.

Thanks for all your help guys, much appreciated
 
Err.......a slide in 10 stop is far easier to use than a screw in. You'll find that you'll have to take the filter off to compose and meter. A square filter and holder will just clip on and off quickly each time, but repeatedly screwing in and screwing off a 10 stop will rapidly turn into a right ballache.

Your probably right so I have gone with the slide in 10 stop.

Lets face it though, most aspects of photography are a right ballache (well aparrt from seeing that final image which is awesome).
 
Sometimes with a zoom when you got to put the screw in filter on you can push the lens back to 18mm or whatever meaning restarting the process. As i mentioned if you want to use a grad its a chew.... You will find out all of this once you start using them all. Oh and when its cold its great fun trying to screw the filters in :lol: I dropped mine but luckily it was just my welding glass stuck to a step up ring...:)
 
Thanks for that - have ordered one (hoping it's the right thing I've ordered) - my local camera store can't get hold of any... so, tho it's a 1-3 month delivery with Amazon, I guess if one comes in before they ship, I'd be able to cancel the order with them. Well, in theory :thinking:

Fingers crossed.


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... email from Amazon - despatched -it'll be here in a few days... June 18th - YAY - getting quite excited <does a jig> :D
 
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