Your thought process for shutter speed and aperture?

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I have to learn to change my thought process when I take a shot. I have largely stuck to P mode on the dial, unless I've got lots of time to think of DoF and shutter speed.

What is your thought process when you see a shot?

Do you look at it and then decide how much you want in focus? Do you think about light first?

I look forward to your replies as I try to master the more creative and manual modes!!
 
My area of interest is military aviation, and it's normally a case of "ooh, there's one! Oh poo, forgot to change the settings"

I will get there one day.
 
Someone says use the Av mode as a creative mode, think how much blur you want a dial in the number, and shoot. Obviously pay attention to the shutter speed at the same time but this worked for me over the years.
 
Depends on what I'm shooting...for landscapes, normally shoot AV, small apertures (i.e. high f/ number) for large DoF, but have done more water blurry things this week, and so shutter speed becomes more important too :)
 
us AV to set how much DOF I want, use TV to set how much blur I want.


more you shoot the more you get a feeling for how much at what focal length at what distance
 
I'm still playing around Sara, experimenting with what does which when... Although if I'm looking for a specific effect (assuming I can work it out) I set the aperture and adjust the speed accordingly (probably easier in Av thinking about it...). For anything moving, shutter priority at a speed suitable for whatever it is (not sure on all of these yet so some trial and error involved).
 
I have to learn to change my thought process when I take a shot. I have largely stuck to P mode on the dial, unless I've got lots of time to think of DoF and shutter speed.

What is your thought process when you see a shot?

Do you look at it and then decide how much you want in focus? Do you think about light first?

I look forward to your replies as I try to master the more creative and manual modes!!

Here`s an online camera to play with, you can try everything, iso f stop, shutter speed, auto, etc.

http://dryreading.com/camera/index.html
 
POAH has hit the nail on the head.

In most situations, the DOF is more important than the shutter speed so use your camera on aperture priority most of the time. Use it at the lowest possible ISO setting. If you find that the shutter speed is too low for your purpose, increase the ISO to get an adequate shutter speed.

For fast moving subjects, such as sport, set your camera to shutter priority.

To go back to your original question, it varies on the situation but my normal sequence is
1. Decide whether it's worth photographing
2. Decide which lighting works best - in outdoor shots this normally controls where the shot is taken from
3. Decide on perspective (zoom with my fee, not a zoom lens)
4. Decide on DOF, shutter speed etc.
 
Depends what you are shooting, often you don't have time to b****r about with settings, scenes are there one minute and then gone, aperture priority.
If you have time to consider things, light is number one, the scene isn't there without the right light, then you can consider how you are going to capture it.

Lets give these dial positions their correct functional names, nobody outside of a Canon body has a clue what that av/tv stuff is.

Aperture priority
Shutter priority
Manual

wtheck is P.....:shrug:
 
when Im limited by an f4 lens I will almost always go Aperture priority because Ill normally be shooting in light that I need to get the most light in the lens.

When I have nifty fifty out though things change depending on the style of shot I want
 
Thanks for that link Poacher, what a good idea that is.

I had a play with that linky - What a great idea. Helps to give a usable and instant understanding of the settings.

Great to read all your threads - Will give a go on AV - Also must remember to keep quite a quick shutter speed with my lens - It's too damn heavy!!
 
P is Program Joxby.

Mine set to Aperture 90% of the time ,if carried set to f/2.8 and a fast shot crops up, I just need to frame and shoot and the speed will be as fast as the wide Aperture allows.
If shooting landscape (most of the time) I just alter the Aperture to around F/11 ish and take the shot.

Before switching the camera off ,put the Aperture back to f/2.8 (or wide open) so it,s ready for next Streaker :naughty:
 
You need to see the picture first. Only then can you make the decision of how to render it.

When you are out shooting, it is far better to come home with two good pictures than a whole card full of crud. You might stumble across the odd good picture by chance. Most pictures are seen before they occur, so you can then set up to record the scene as you want. MAKE PICTURES, don't TAKE pictures.

Aperture Priority will work for shutter speed requirments as well - it is easy. f2.8 end of the aperture scale will give you the fastest shutter speeds you have. f 16 end will give you the slower ones.

EG: shooting moving motorcycles (not necessarily motorsport), maybe in traffic. You want to blur the background, you are going to have a slowish shutter speed. You know this is going to come stopped further down than where you are now (take a peek through the finder at whatever the thing is set on and look at the numbers - you now have a good idea of where on the APERTURE scale your required shutter speed sits - YES, I did mean to write that.

Say, you peek through and see 1/800 at f2.8 - OK you immediately know that to get blur in a picture you are going ot be down around f11, that will give you 1/60 f11, or thereabouts. So one click either side is going to be abou right.

You want action stiopping speed - you going to have to stay open. Depth of Field is what it is for the desired settings. You can't, I am afraid, have a slow shutter speed AND no depth of field, unless you are shooting macro of course! Slow shutters means big F numbers, and the corresponding depth of field.....when panning this doesn't matter though because you are seperating your subject with blur. The subject stays sharp, the background efinition is lost by the motion blur, so your subject jumps out of the shot as the one part that is "sharp".

You want fast shutter, sorry depth of field goes out the window!

I would not use film speed to alter things myself, not from choice, only from necessity. For 20 odd years I shot motorsport and other action stuff on Velvia (50 asa for those who don't know), even with a 500mm lens. You were limited. So you had to seek out those parts of the circuit that had light. It was a good grounding. If it was dull, or worse, wet, we did resort RESORT I said, to Fuji 100 pushed a stop (200) - it had to be really, really dreadful to go as high as 400. To the point you would only shoot if you had pages hanging on the backof it, because you knew the colours would be muddy at that film speed. No contrast, spray everywhere, water dripping down your neck, a chamois in every pocket! And GRAIN, where you didn't want it - 400 tranny film was quite grainy. Not what was wanted.

Anyway, the reason I mention this is because if you learn to shoot at 100, keep it there unless you really, really have to go up a click. 100 is fine for wheelying bikes even under full cloud - you just need to be wide open and follow accurately. You take the shots the conditions ALLOW you to take. Think of what you have got - not what you would like to have. If you have some light, then the world is your oyster. If you haven't got any - you are limited.
 
Oh, another thing - learn to see the light coming. You can pre-empt a shot by keeping an eye on your surroundings and watching the light - it is bright over there and that pool of light is marching its way towards me....oh goody, it is going to light that ????? in a moment or two (or in about 30 seconds). You can now get yourself ready to shoot that ???? when it is spotlit by the approaching pool of light.

So how do you meter for it before the light hits it? Spot meter in the pool of light BEFORE it gets to your subject - the reading will be the same. Set the aperture, point the spot metering point of your viewfinder at the pool of light (if you lucky it will be on some green grass, or a grey building....something similar to what you are about to shoot.) Take the reading and lock the exposure with your exposure lock. OR set it manually.

Hold your camera on the picture you are hoping to get - focus is set. Aperture/shutter is set. You have it composed how you want it in the viewfinder. Just open both eyes and watch that pool of light. As it gets to your subject - shoot.

Look how the light is interacting with your subject. Is it flat on from right behind you? MOVE. Get it side lit - more modelling in the light then. And people think it is luck! You can even think where the light will be from at certain times of the day......the sun moves through OUR sky clockwise. It starts on your left, when you are looking at it - and it moves right handed across the sky...getting higher until midday, and then getting lower again. It does this every single day of your life...so it is fairly easy to anticipate where the sun will be at a particular time of day in a particular location, and there fore what effect it will have on your shots.

Nuff to think about for one night.
 
^^^ Passion, that's what makes shots, I totally agree with the sentiments above.


Forget the camera, its just a tool, see, think and discover those images... they are endless and everywhere ...its the seeing them thats the key.

When I see 'it' I know I've seen it, I go all oooh aaah, look at that scene, look at that light, what can I make out of that and now how am I going to capture it with this tool.

For example: A few days ago I was stuck in a traffic Jam as per.... In and near instant, I see that to my right across the street there is a large shop window reflecting all the coloured flowers lining the center reservation ...my brightly coloured van is hidden by the frame between the shop window and entrance, I can't see myself.... then I see a beatifull girl walking down that pavement towards my shop window, her dark long hair is blowing in the breeze, shes wearing red a orange dress which is very similar to the reflections .:love:.. I see it before it happends ...My cameras up to my eye... Just a few seconds to go now.....I can see my cameras set on f2.8 through the view finder, loads of speed, so I dial back some focus range to f8 with a quick rotate of the dial, still enough speed left to prevent any bluring, the reflections will be the same focal lenght as the shop window so no problem.... last seconds, shes just entering my framed window from the right... ready 'click' .... Oh b****r! a big truck just pulled into my view and I have nothing but a great grey smudge... the jam starts moving, the girls gone ....Hayho

It would have been lovely I'm quite sure. :D
 
Lets give these dial positions their correct functional names, nobody outside of a Canon body has a clue what that av/tv stuff is.

Aperture priority
Shutter priority
Manual

wtheck is P.....:shrug:

Thank you!!

:nikon:
 
As others mention for landscapes pretty much always use Aperture priority, I want as much in focus as possible most of the time..if I'm trying be creative I sometimes switch to manual mode and override the "normal" settings the camera wants to select based on the metering

simon
 
Depends on the subject. I use Aperture Priority if depth of field is priority. Tend to use Aperture Priority for landscape and industrial stuff.
For night photography and underground caving stuff I use manual as I need long shutter speeds usually with a wide open aperture.
Never tried the program mode before.
 
I usually meter with Av and then Tv to get the camera's "opinion" then use that as benchmark on Manual.
 
Av or Tv when I'm hurrying, depending on what I want to control, but I can do my normal method pretty fast now.
 
having just gotten back into all this( about 12months), I also find that different lens' make a difference too, thanks for the above posts, very helpful:clap:
 
maybe cause the OP owns a canon its more helpful to talk about the dials on his camera :naughty:



Lets give these dial positions their correct functional names, nobody outside of a Canon body has a clue what that av/tv stuff is.

Aperture priority
Shutter priority
Manual

wtheck is P.....:shrug:
 
.....or give some.......*Canon bubble*.......:lol:
 
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