you guys who have wives

ford1 said:
ok then another qestion for ya ..how do you errrrr control yourselfs when taking these sort of pics ..cos im kinda thinking that if?? i went ahead in this line of work im kinda guessing the tripod wont be the only thing with 3 legs in that studio pmsl
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...and you wonder why your girlfriend is jealous??!
 
ford1 said:
.......anywhere else is a big no no i try to keep it sensitive but my mouth gets me in so much trouble ...
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I CANNOT believe you typed that !................:lol::lol:
 
its harder to smuggle in a new camera...iirc
 
ford1 said:
ok then another qestion for ya ..how do you errrrr control yourselfs when taking these sort of pics ..cos im kinda thinking that if?? i went ahead in this line of work im kinda guessing the tripod wont be the only thing with 3 legs in that studio pmsl
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If you're worried about that then I'd suggest photographing something else.. :s
 
ford1 said:
well thats cool ...so its in the wording lol lol..maybe ive been a little to honest pmsl ..il tell her they ar ugly bitches then maybe i wont getstick lol..nah i can see where your comming from .so keep it low key lol

kev
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Maybe in the wording..................

Easy way to judge what is appropriate subject matter, knowing how your own mind works, if you were your wife/girlfriend, how would you feel about 'you' photoing the subject ? I think that will clear up any puzzlement you may be having ;)
 
mine does not care - not like its gonzo or POV


ford1 said:
do you find any of your misses get very jelous of younger models ...if anytime i say im taking pics of a lovely model she goes mental pmsl

kev
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ford1 said:
ok then another qestion for ya ..how do you errrrr control yourselfs when taking these sort of pics ..cos im kinda thinking that if?? i went ahead in this line of work im kinda guessing the tripod wont be the only thing with 3 legs in that studio pmsl
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This is a joke - yes. Because if not you should not even go into a studio with a model. It is about photography not the personal titillation of the photographer. TBH if your mind is on other than the image you want to produce then your images will be cr@p and you might as well buy some pics.
 
Captain Morgan said:
This is a joke - yes. Because if not you should not even go into a studio with a model. It is about photography not the personal titillation of the photographer. TBH if your mind is on other than the image you want to produce then your images will be cr@p and you might as well buy some pics.
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I didnt take it as a joke and (dont take this the wrong way) i found it to be a refreshing bit of honesty, not that it would apply to every man, but i dont believe that the majority of men can approach a raunchy, sexy or suggestive photoshoot with the cold clinical non-reactions of a robot, heck, in some cases a bit of chemistry between photographer and subject will improve the artistic results. I'm also sure in some cases that there is a lack of trust between partners so that people cannot be honest about their feelings and reactions.

Not everyone can smell frying garlic without their mouth watering ;)

In my mind the issue is honesty, if you cant be honest with yourself, partner or subject about your reaction to ANY photoshoot or artistic encounter or even life experience then there are issues which may need addressing more than the bodys natural reactions to external stimuli (even if you learn to control them, its better to be able to admit that they exist and that you are honest enough about it to try and control it with a view to obtaining the most succseful results....however you define those !)
 
Huujuu said:
but i dont believe that the majority of men can approach a raunchy, sexy or suggestive photoshoot with the cold clinical non-reactions of a robot, heck, in some cases a bit of chemistry between photographer and subject will improve the artistic results. I'm also sure in some cases that there is a lack of trust between partners so that people cannot be honest about their feelings and reactions.
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Thank god for the models that the majority of men don't do this kind of photography (as much as they'd like to). They have a term for those kinds of photographers. GWC, and in that context it sort of is derogatory.

It's called professionalism. It is possible to get that "chemistry" without there being anything sexual between the model and the photographer.
 
ford1 said:
do you find any of your misses get very jelous of younger models ...if anytime i say im taking pics of a lovely model she goes mental pmsl

kev
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ford1 said:
ok then another qestion for ya ..how do you errrrr control yourselfs when taking these sort of pics ..cos im kinda thinking that if?? i went ahead in this line of work im kinda guessing the tripod wont be the only thing with 3 legs in that studio pmsl
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Hmm, what is it then, you have been taking shots, or you're thinking about it?
 
Kaouthia said:
Thank god for the models that the majority of men don't do this kind of photography (as much as they'd like to). They have a term for those kinds of photographers. GWC, and in that context it sort of is derogatory.

It's called professionalism. It is possible to get that "chemistry" without there being anything sexual between the model and the photographer.
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Not quite sure i agree with you as it would be very difficult to tell what 'most' men were thinking during a photoshoot that had sexual undertones.

I would certainly hope that 'most' men who did artistic, fashion, product, portrait etc shoots would not be thinking about much other than the shapes, colours, presentation etc, but i do read many comments to images that refer to 'sexy' models and i do see lots of poses that are suggestive which leads me to believe that some photographers are thinking about 'sexy' things when they take or look at the pictures, either that or they are failing to express themselves through their art.

I also think some models like to be admired and like other people to find them sexy, or attractive or whatever, of both sexes and all persuassions. It's when i hear the denials that alarm bells start ringing.

At the end of the day, if an artist is good at expressing externally what is going on in their heads, it will show in their work. This also includes artists who produce work INTENDING other people to look at it in a certain way, even if it doesnt have that specific effect on them. Its a bit of a tangent, but why do you think a Ferrari is the shape it is or why do you think the 'Hello Boys' advert was so successful ?

Certain things sell and make people look because, due to human nature, there are certain evolutionary pathways in the brain, it isnt an issue, honesty is an issue.
 
Mrs Treeman doesn't have any issues with me shooting nudes, splesh when I tend to talk about them as photographic objects, bone structure, skin tone etc etc. If you're enjoying the shoot a little too much, then I suggest you do something else, because by that stage you're sure not concentrating on what you should be, and a 99% chance your images will be crap :)

Now if I were to tell her about the three and a half grand I just spent on a D3s :eek:
 
Huujuu said:
Not quite sure i agree with you as it would be very difficult to tell what 'most' men were thinking during a photoshoot that had sexual undertones.
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And what about heterosexual women who manage to pull off shots of females that are nude and/or sexy? Or heterosexual men who shoot other men in nude/suggestive poses? Or gay guys that shoot naked women?

As I said, it's called professionalism. You're there to work, to do a job, not get your jollies.
 
I'm yet to photograph a model, My Fiancée wouldn't like me to shoot one I don't think.
She only likes me to look over her body, but I'm sure once the first shoot is out of the way and the shots are really not that bad then she would come around to the idea.

I agree with a couple of earlier posts:
- If I cannot show the shot to my Fiancée, should I really be shooting it?
- "I'm going to shoot a sexy model today", Evil face from the Fiancee, "Well, go get your coat luv" = happy face's
 
The best quote I know from a truly professional photographer on this issue comes from Mark Cleghorn when he said "I may as well be shooting sneakers" All he is looking at is form, framing and the way light is interacting with his subject.

You need to maintain respect for models AT ALL TIMES and yes I know it's easier for me as a female but why do you think all my models work with me more than once?
 
Kaouthia said:
And what about heterosexual women who manage to pull off shots of females that are nude and/or sexy? Or heterosexual men who shoot other men in nude/suggestive poses? Or gay guys that shoot naked women?

As I said, it's called professionalism. You're there to work, to do a job, not get your jollies.
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And what is the purpose of the finished product, whoever shoots the images ?

If it is an image that will attract views because it is sexy (eg the 'hello boys' advert) then there has to be some sexual intent, whether the photographer finds it sexy or not, the model is still going to be aware that most people who view that image are not going to be thinking hmmm, nice composition.

This wouldnt even be a topic for discussion unless there were obvious issues with how people view each other.

Look at it another way, why do you think some people are attractive ? Is it because they are made up of attractive, but abstract, shapes or do you think that we find some abstract shapes attractive because our brains are wired to be attracted to certain shapes that assist in our propagation and survival ?

Why do you think that even a gay women can take a sexy picture of an attractive, non gay, man ?
 
Huujuu said:
Why do you think that even a gay women can take a sexy picture of an attractive, non gay, man ?
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That's what I was asking you. You're the one who seems to think that in order for a photographer to take a sexy person of another human being they have to be horny.
 
Kaouthia said:
That's what I was asking you. You're the one who seems to think that in order for a photographer to take a sexy person of another human being they have to be horny.
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That is not what i said at all, i was talking about the thoughts that exist in peoples heads when they are taking images. I think you'll find it was the other poster who said he could not help himself externally controlling those thoughts.

My point is the intention of an image to elicit a response from the viewer and the forethought of the artist to be able to embrace that vision.

(And also that it is easy to tell if people have been thinking sexy thoughts whilst creating their art......unless they have accidentally produced a sexy image ;) )

So, what do you think about why we find things attractive ?
 
Huujuu said:
That is not what i said at all
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Sorry, that seemed to be the position you were arguing for. :)

Huujuu said:
So, what do you think about why we find things attractive ?
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The why isn't really important so much as that as photographers we are able to recognise and acknowledge it objectively.

Not all nude photographer is sexual in nature. Given the amount of porn allegedly available on the internet, that might be difficult for some to believe. :)
 
What they don't know doesn't hurt them.
 
Kaouthia said:
The why isn't really important so much as that as photographers we are able to recognise and acknowledge it objectively.:)
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Absolutely, and it would be such an injustice to call a beautiful person, or a sunrise or a new born baby 'just like a sneaker'

Kaouthia said:
Not all nude photographer is sexual in nature. Given the amount of porn allegedly available on the internet, that might be difficult for some to believe. :)
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And a lot of advertising also makes it difficult to believe.....and much of that isnt even nude (its not the 'nude' bit that makes it sexual !)
 
Huujuu said:
I didnt take it as a joke and (dont take this the wrong way) i found it to be a refreshing bit of honesty, not that it would apply to every man, but i dont believe that the majority of men can approach a raunchy, sexy or suggestive photoshoot with the cold clinical non-reactions of a robot, heck, in some cases a bit of chemistry between photographer and subject will improve the artistic results. I'm also sure in some cases that there is a lack of trust between partners so that people cannot be honest about their feelings and reactions.

Not everyone can smell frying garlic without their mouth watering ;)

In my mind the issue is honesty, if you cant be honest with yourself, partner or subject about your reaction to ANY photoshoot or artistic encounter or even life experience then there are issues which may need addressing more than the bodys natural reactions to external stimuli (even if you learn to control them, its better to be able to admit that they exist and that you are honest enough about it to try and control it with a view to obtaining the most succseful results....however you define those !)
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Sorry Ian but I have not heard so much b@lls for a long time. Now that is my opinion and you are entitled to yours.
However the difference between finding an image you are going to take as sexual - that is the reason you are taking it; and being sexually aroused as a photographer is miles apart. I have worked with many hard working models who, each in their different way, can be sexy but - and big but that does not mean I should become sexually aroused because I am taking their image. In fact many models can play to the camera for the very reason that the camera does not get aroused and the operator of that camera acting in a professional manner(Male or femail) does not get aroused.
I agree with you that the model knows the intended use of the pictures, if she or he didn't that too would be wrong however the interaction between ther model (of whatever sex ) and the photographer (of whatever sex) must remain professional.

My opinion over.

ian
 
Captain Morgan said:
Sorry Ian but I have not heard so much b@lls for a long time. Now that is my opinion and you are entitled to yours.
However the difference between finding an image you are going to take as sexual - that is the reason you are taking it; and being sexually aroused as a photographer is miles apart. I have worked with many hard working models who, each in their different way, can be sexy but - and big but that does not mean I should become sexually aroused because I am taking their image. In fact many models can play to the camera for the very reason that the camera does not get aroused and the operator of that camera acting in a professional manner(Male or femail) does not get aroused.
I agree with you that the model knows the intended use of the pictures, if she or he didn't that too would be wrong however the interaction between ther model (of whatever sex ) and the photographer (of whatever sex) must remain professional.

My opinion over.

ian
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Its a shame that your opinion is over as i have to dismiss it as shallow and without value.

I would much rather discuss it and understand more.
 
You can dismiss my opinion as shallow and without value. But value to whom You wish a more discursive answer then here I go with my comments to a later post of yours.
My point is the intention of an image to elicit a response from the viewer and the forethought of the artist to be able to embrace that vision.
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I agree totally - If there is no natural point to an image then it is a snap shot. No mater what the image, it must elicit a response from a viewer to be successful. Whether that response was intended or not it is the response that makes the image.

(And also that it is easy to tell if people have been thinking sexy thoughts whilst creating their art......unless they have accidentally produced a sexy image ;) )
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I disagree, depending on how you define having sexy thoughts ( wide interpretation possible) I don't believe you can decide that someone was having sexy thoughts when they took the image. it is however very probably that they knew the intended response they wanted when taking the image. Which was your original point.

So, what do you think about why we find things attractive ?
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This is very dificult and there is no doubt that beauty is in the eye of the beholder however one persons view of beauty does not necessarily sell.
Maybe the clever thing is not what 'turns us on' but what our audience will find attractive.
 
Captain Morgan said:
I disagree, depending on how you define having sexy thoughts ( wide interpretation possible) I don't believe you can decide that someone was having sexy thoughts when they took the image. it is however very probably that they knew the intended response they wanted when taking the image. Which was your original point.

This is very dificult and there is no doubt that beauty is in the eye of the beholder however one persons view of beauty does not necessarily sell.
Maybe the clever thing is not what 'turns us on' but what our audience will find attractive.
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I'm so glad you didnt dismiss me :) If 'artists' cant discuss things then there is no hope for the politicians !

Sexy thoughts - Any thing that is occuring within your mind that suggests an emotional attractiveness. The sort of thoughts you would need to conjure up if coke cola came to you and said 'we want you to create a sexy image to advertise our drink', i would hope most of us as photographers would understand what 'sexy' meant although i can fully understand people backing away from the useage of the word due to the perception misuse can give to it. One of my points is that misuse by some people (and i refer to at least one poster on here) should not spoil it for the rest of us or cause us to shyly back away from the reality of the knowledge that exists in our brains. Its the use of that knowledge that causes problems not the existance and acceptance of it.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....to some extent, but there is a generally accepted view which is why some models are considered more attractive by the 'majority' of people. Some things are more attractive than others, as a general rule. To an extent there is a majority aggreement on attractivness which stretches from the rule of thirds through fibonacci ratios to facial features and clarity of skin to youth.....and sunrises.....etc. Most people know what is beautiful (or sexy) of course there are always exceptions to the rule, but we are not really talking about exceptions here.

Thanks for replying again, it feels a bit awkward when you think you've wound someone up or theyve misunderstood your intentions.
 
My skin is thick and I do not wound easily.
I am happy that your thinking is on a higher level i do not necessarily disagree with what you are putting forward in fact I largely agree; however your original response to the comment regarding the tripod provoked my retort.

I believe 99% of models in the industry know why they are in that business and accept that for the rewards it brings. It is also true that 99% of photographers use those models to create the images they require / want and that to achieve that image there must be a two way belief of what is "sexy" in a marketable way.
But i remain adamant that there is little space for someone who is worried about 1stly what his wife would say and secondly how his anatomy would react in a studio.
I suppose the original post is not really about photography but more about relationships.
Both me and my wife take pictures of naked and semi naked men and women. It causes no problems or issues and why should it, we create artistic and 'sexy' pictures and as we don't openly state who shot what I doubt many could tell which of us took what picture.
 
Huujuu said:
Sexy thoughts - Any thing that is occuring within your mind that suggests an emotional attractiveness.
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Something can be "emotionally attractive" without being sexy. The emotions I feel from seeing a beautiful sunset, or seeing baby bunnies being born are attractive, but it doesn't mean sexy to me.
 
Kaouthia said:
Something can be "emotionally attractive" without being sexy. The emotions I feel from seeing a beautiful sunset, or seeing baby bunnies being born are attractive, but it doesn't mean sexy to me.
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Yes, i think we all understood what context the phrases 'sexy' and 'emotionally attractive' were being used. As i said previously, it is the denials (including pedanticy and other ways of trying to shift the focus of meanings) that set alarm bells ringing. I'd already suggested why some things might be 'sexually' emotionally attractive, you responded that the 'why' wasnt important so i assumed you understood the point.

.....but yes, as you say, sunsets and new born babies are also emotionally attractive, but not sexy, whilst some people and poses are sexy (surely that is the point of some poses ?). We are not cold ( i would hope) to any of them and instead respond proportionatley.
 
Captain Morgan said:
I believe 99% of models in the industry know why they are in that business and accept that for the rewards it brings. It is also true that 99% of photographers use those models to create the images they require / want and that to achieve that image there must be a two way belief of what is "sexy" in a marketable way.
But i remain adamant that there is little space for someone who is worried about 1stly what his wife would say and secondly how his anatomy would react in a studio.
I suppose the original post is not really about photography but more about relationships.
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I agree, espcially about the original post been mainly about relationships, which is how i originally reponded to the poster. You are going to find different responses to these sorts of discussion depending on if the people discussing it are in a relationship, what sort of relationship it is and so on. Human nature makes a big impact on how we express ourselves at the end of the day.

As far as how his anatomy is going to react, i guess he could learn to control it (but the thoughts are still going to be in his head). As you say, most models and photographers are actually aware of why certain poses and scenario's are marketable ie the natural reactions people have when seeing certain images.......no matter how deep those reactions are hidden within the photographers head.
 
Huujuu said:
Gosh, he is missing so much depth and potential. Hope he isnt a wedding photographer.
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Yes he is, and he is also one of the best ones. I'd suggest a quick google was in order before you go making a complete fool of yourself by denigrading one of the countries best photographers. ;)

I think you can quite easily separate the emotional from the professional. I can happily park my emotions while I get on with a job and that's what it is. It's a job. It's about using the camera as a means of communication and while you do have to study your subject, that subject could just as easily be a pair of sneakers. It just happens to be a pair of sneakers that has your full attention.

You may look at the curve of your models back and decide to light that and photograph it and you may decide that the laces on the shoes deserve shooting.

Three of the best boudoir photographers I know are female so personally I don't see your theory evidenced to any great degree.
 
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