X100 or OM-D with reasoning
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These cameras are completely different, I don't think it is a choice many people would be making is it?
X-Pro or OM-D may have been a better comparison.
I am not after either but I would choose the X100 and here is why;
- I only use a prime lens so may as well have it attached permantly
- It has an optical viewfinder
- It is cheaper
X-Pro or OM-D may have been a better comparison.
I am not after either but I would choose the X100 and here is why;
- I only use a prime lens so may as well have it attached permantly
- It has an optical viewfinder
- It is cheaper
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mrhoddy said:
Without knowing the context I.e what you shoot it's impossible to say. As also mentioned above a better comparison would be the OM-D to the X-Pro
I get that completely that these two are completely different and in reality I'm not trying to compare the two for any occasion. Its more that I just wanted to see what users would go/have gone for out of these two and give a short reason why they went with the choice.
I wasnt looking for the "I went for the X100 over the OM-D because........ etc etc" perhaps I wasnt clear, anyway - your response in you gave in the last paragraph is the type of response I wanted - thanks
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I don't like either, but to be fair OM-D has interchangeable lenses and better AF so it should win.
Definitely the OM-D...
IQ quality good enough to not matter for most people
Massively better AF
Much more flexible operation
Smaller and lighter
Lenses lenses lenses, why would you intentionally get stuck with a 23mm lens???
IBIS and it is FANTASTIC in the OM-D
I can keep going...
Having said that:
If you love and shoot tons of images at or around 35mm equivalent
If you can't live with EVFs
If you need that extra bit of DR and high ISO noise handling
Then you should consider a K-5+21mm pancake which is what I have done. It will cost you more but you will buy what probably is the best APS-C DSLR currently available and the opportunity of flexibility in the future. The combo is not much bigger or heavier yet it is definitely massively more flexible.
For me the X-100 is almost a pointless camera, a beautiful but pointless camera. It would be a third camera not a first or even a second. It would be a camera that I would buy if I had so much cash that I couldn't find something else to spend £700.
IQ quality good enough to not matter for most people
Massively better AF
Much more flexible operation
Smaller and lighter
Lenses lenses lenses, why would you intentionally get stuck with a 23mm lens???
IBIS and it is FANTASTIC in the OM-D
I can keep going...
Having said that:
If you love and shoot tons of images at or around 35mm equivalent
If you can't live with EVFs
If you need that extra bit of DR and high ISO noise handling
Then you should consider a K-5+21mm pancake which is what I have done. It will cost you more but you will buy what probably is the best APS-C DSLR currently available and the opportunity of flexibility in the future. The combo is not much bigger or heavier yet it is definitely massively more flexible.
For me the X-100 is almost a pointless camera, a beautiful but pointless camera. It would be a third camera not a first or even a second. It would be a camera that I would buy if I had so much cash that I couldn't find something else to spend £700.
A few weeks ago when I started all this 'downsizing' I was heading directly for the OM-D due to the reasons you have stated, but as of late Ive been leaning (well Ive started to consider)the X100.
The reason - well one is the OVF/EVF hybrid which I liked (compared to just EVF), but the other reason is also the inhibiting / but maybe liberating factor that is the one fixed lens and thats it - no more: if I had this lens or If I had that lens, no more considering a zoom to get the shot, no more which lens shall I take or get out of the bag - maybe no more bag - just me and a camera that I stick with like an old faithfull - like my grandads Illford Sportsman I have sitting in front of me know!! - Am I being nostalgic??
Almost back to how I started at school - there was only one lens on the schools OM-10 (another reason to like the OM-D I might add) and that was your lot: no zoom, no change of lens to a different prime, nothing - to a get a shot you sorted it out and that was it - messed up, missed shot - your fault sort it for next time kind of attitude (nostalgia again?)
Perhaps somewhere along the way of getting older and not going out as much to take photos due to other commitments, or even due to digital now rather than film - I think that I have lost this approach and hence maybe I haven't moved on for a while, for some reason I feel that the X100 would make me be like that again - more so than the OM-D due to the style of it, the operation of it and that fixed lens, I dont know.
I also realise I could just stick one prime on an OM-D and thats it, but would I actually stick to that - I think not somehow, Im sure id regret leaving so and so behind etc and still look for new lens
Hence the reason why Im asking what Im asking really:shrug:
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Makes sense to me. I like the OVF/EVF of the X100 and also like a fixed lens. It may not stop you thinking about different lenses though, but in this case you would have to change the whole camera! If you haven't got teh discipline to stick to just one lens now do you think your midest would be forced into a change by the camera?
You need to be pretty sure you could live with it rather than thinking maybe you could.
I am new to photography (1 year) but I just don't like zoom lenses. Have tried a couple (for a week!) and while the zooming is clearly useful I prefer not to be able to and quickly sold them. With a fixed or prime lens I know what I am going to get before I even raise the camera and that is what I like and I also like the small size.
The potential downside for me with the X100 is that the 23 is a bit wider than I like and the definite downside is the slow focusing.
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Just a quick point...
Just because it's possible to change lenses doesn't mean you have to. For literally decades I shot with a Nikon SLR and just one lens. Also, rangefiner too, just one lens.
Personally I wouldn't let the fact that a camera lens can be changed put me off buying it as fitting the lens of your choice and leaving it there is a perfectly valid option
Just because it's possible to change lenses doesn't mean you have to. For literally decades I shot with a Nikon SLR and just one lens. Also, rangefiner too, just one lens.
Personally I wouldn't let the fact that a camera lens can be changed put me off buying it as fitting the lens of your choice and leaving it there is a perfectly valid option
Mindset forced into change? - Thats the way I'm looking at it as there would be no option for a change for some time - in a way it could force me to get back to basics.
Sometimes I consider to have enjoyed photography more before I had invested in DSLR (previous was just second hand film OM-10, Holga, fisheye - you know arty type- love film - especially developing but dont want to do that route any more)and digital PnS)
I dipped my toe in with an E-PL2 (as an intended precursor to OM-D as mentioned previous) the other week, decent to use (if different) wondered what the focus speed of X100 was like in anger compared to E-PL2 / P25mm combo, any idea?
Just a quick point...
Just because it's possible to change lenses doesn't mean you have to.
Personally I wouldn't let the fact that a camera lens can be changed put me off buying it as fitting the lens of your choice and leaving it there is a perfectly valid option
I agree - however when I have left one at home in the past Ive always been in the mindset of "OMG I should have brought ..... with me to get that" etc etc etc a X100 removes that - in some way
But of course in those days people did not have a choice. It has nothing to do with enjoying photography. Plenty of people love their zooms and plenty of people love their primes. It is just a weird decision to purposefully deprive yourself of even the chance of a different focal length and a much more capable camera if you do indeed have the choice between them.
If you believe that having a camera with one focal length will make you stop thinking about the flexibility of an ILS camera I think you will be disappointed
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Hi,
I know exactly what your talking about.
Decided to buy X100 Black Limited Edition I know it's a lot of Money but not when viewed against a L type lens.
So I think it's the Best of both Worlds, take a particular camera for a particular kind of Shoot.
So If I can get up close, I would take the X100 If I can't take, then it would be the 7D and Zooms.
In the end I think Photography bears heavily on Compromises, it's just trying to make the right one.
Anyway I think I will soon know If I have made the Right ones.
Regards.
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Well it could work for you, I would probably live with the slower focusing speed if they still weren't £600+ as it pretty much fits my needs.
I only compared one (for a short time) with my DSLR and it felt slow but in real terms it probably isn't that slow. Can you not get to shop and play around with one for a bit even to get an idea of focusing speed?
How you liking it? I take it you still have the 7D?
Whilst I'm just an occasional hobbyist at present, for me I've cleared my old kit out already, had the purge took the plunge - now I'm ready to get something I want to keep, get battered with and be done with for a good few years until I need to replace due to its old age! I initially thought I could do this with the OM-D (hence the taster E-PL2)
I am fed up of the 'replace' every few years concept that I or 'we' seem to engage in, I want something that will keep for a long time
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X100 and be done sticking with it and it alone just shooting with that no matter what and its limitations
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OM-D with say 14, 25 and 45mm lens combo, whilst I get the advantage on ICL, I would still be on the lookout for a 'bargain' or look for the 'new' lens and due to the fact that it is so 'top end, latest tech' on the M43 front, if I got this I'm sure a few years down the line I am more likely to sell on and upgrade it.
Whilst you could say this of the X100, which is true - I feel it would be more of a purchase one, and then go on to keep it even if I wanted to upgrade down the line
For the price of the OM-D I could get the X100 and even a cheap PnS if I was that desperate!
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HI,
Thought I would post this Image taken tonight of a Miniature Rose about 7-15.
Light not great, no flash and in Macro mode.
Cropped, Levels adjusted, and Unsharp mask applied, all in PSE10 and then Resized for TP.
Regards.
Thought I would post this Image taken tonight of a Miniature Rose about 7-15.
Light not great, no flash and in Macro mode.
Cropped, Levels adjusted, and Unsharp mask applied, all in PSE10 and then Resized for TP.
Regards.
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Hi,
Yes I still have the 7D.
I would Always keep some kind of DLSR, for Me the X100 is for those Occasions when you only need, want, and know one camera is enough.
The X100 is less In your face, look what I have got type of camera and for Travelling abroad can see it being a Boon.
Also If thats the Camera you take with the Fixed Lens, you are committed to it and will feel Happy with that Decision.
My First choice would have been the EOS-M but with only a LCD It was not an Option for Me.
Only had the X100 since Wednesday of this Week so have not been able to do much with it, plenty of time yet.
Regards.
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Yes been to a shop and liked it but I always find it difficult to actually feel what its like in shop vs everyday normal shooting if you see what I mean
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I'd go for the OM-D as it is the more flexible, long term camera. You will have multiple lenses which you can keep as you upgrade the body (I am using lenses on my OM-D bought for my GF1 a couple of years back). The image quality is excellent, handling is very good, and the image stabilisation is pretty gob-smacking, especially in video mode.
You get stunning wide aperture lenses like the 25 1.4, 45 1.8 and the new 75 1.8, plus a host of zooms.
Slam dunk IMHO.
You get stunning wide aperture lenses like the 25 1.4, 45 1.8 and the new 75 1.8, plus a host of zooms.
Slam dunk IMHO.
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Yep, know exactly what you mean. I said this in another thread but it is a real shame the ability to hire a camera even for a day doesn't exist as it would remove the doubt before buying.
But even then, the camera that seem like the best thing in the world can change after a month or so!
I'm not sure why they couldn't let you pay for one and try a 'hire' sample for a while and then return for a new one - just thought that this sounds too good to be true, thats why they dont do it he he he
Yes, I would like an extended try or return on three days etc.
Head says OM-D, Heart says X100
A main sticking point/let let down on the X100 for me is the lingering doubt over AF speeds. I already feel as though I am taking a hit leaving behind the 40d, even if I went for an OM-D. I obviously have felt this on a quick test in shops but some quoted figures on imaging resources have X100 down as roughly half the speed of OM-D (albeit no discussion of the FW vsn), and the OM-D is still behind the old 40d
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As nice as the x100 is, I went with the micro four thirds option - I lust after an OMD but am currently trying out a G3 and GX1 - the intention is to trade up the G3 to an OMD if I can stomach the EVF long term.
I will often just go out with the 14mm or the 20mm prime on the GX1 and used to do this alot on my GF1 previously - strangely liberating with a fixed focal length but not limiting if the need arises to change lenses. The 14-42 or 12-35 oly will fit in a pocket quite easily 'just in case!'
I also think the OMD (and other recent M43) focusing is way ahead of the x100 and in certain situations will be better than your 40d - definitely more flexible than the 9 points anyway.
I will often just go out with the 14mm or the 20mm prime on the GX1 and used to do this alot on my GF1 previously - strangely liberating with a fixed focal length but not limiting if the need arises to change lenses. The 14-42 or 12-35 oly will fit in a pocket quite easily 'just in case!'
I also think the OMD (and other recent M43) focusing is way ahead of the x100 and in certain situations will be better than your 40d - definitely more flexible than the 9 points anyway.
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For the price of an OMD buy a good second hand x100 and spend the remainder on a Panasonic G5 - best of both worlds!
With a nice lens on the front I bet you can't tell the difference between G5 and OMD IQ. And those horrible little, squishy OMD buttons are not to my taste.
For me the choice would be a 2012 pre-owned X100. That APC sensor does make a difference.
With a nice lens on the front I bet you can't tell the difference between G5 and OMD IQ. And those horrible little, squishy OMD buttons are not to my taste.
For me the choice would be a 2012 pre-owned X100. That APC sensor does make a difference.