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If you were going to a studio for a shoot with a pro tog who supposedly takes photographs of celebs and the like would you expect him to use a 450D?
 
I would probably expect a full frame camera but the 450 has a 12mp sensor so I dont think the quality would really be an issue. Lenses would be more important i guess.
 
maybe this what im gona write is bit off topic but here it is ;) on the wedding of my cousin TOG was using 400d ;) while I had 40D (they were lookin' on me bit strange ;) ) I could not be bothered to ask her what lens she was usng ( it was wider then my 28-135) I would say ;) and I have not seen pictures yet :) hopefully for my cousin her pics came better then mine (I think mine are crap ;) ) haha oh, and she had proper flash not as the build in one I used ;p
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And as for topic question : I dont mind what camera is being used as long pics are great and worth the money :)
 
My guess would be that the number of experienced pros using a 450D is considerably smaller than the number of posers trying it on and using a 450D.
 
Is the 450D a bad camera? If it gets the shots then what does it matter.

I still use my D70s for landscapes, I prefer the final output over the D200.
 
What is a "Pro"? ...... Someone who gets paid for doing something ...... Doesn't mean they have to use top of the range expensive equipment. :)

If you're questioning the "Celeb" bit ..... maybe they want to NOT look like a pro! ;)
 
Thanks for all the feedback everyone. The tog in question has a good portfolio and his work is good so I guess that's what matters :)
 
This word PRO is a bit ambiguous isnt it. PRO can mean you do it for money... but I assume it to mean you are very very good at your work and have a professional manner. 2 entirely different things.

Yes I wouldve expected him to have something from a 40D upwards but the proof of the pudding is in the eating and as long as his lens was good there is no reason why his photos couldnt be stunning if he is a good tog.
 
I'm asking because I was surprised to see photographs of some friends of mine who went to get a set of shots for their band that were bound for some very high profile music executives in the States were taken with the 450D. I thought since he was meant to be a successful pro tog whose portfolio includes some very famous folk he would have used something with a better spec than that.
 
A Pro* Tog would not use the 450D (unless there was a very good reason........and I can't think of one.).

Not snobby, just true.

* someone who works full time in photography as their main or only income.
 
JumboBeef said:
A Pro* Tog would not use the 450D (unless there was a very good reason........and I can't think of one.).
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His expensive top of the range Canon malfunctioned on the day of the shoot perhaps? :)
 
Why would he have a 450 (a new camera) as back up? I bet all real pros with backup bodies have their older bodies as backup, not new consumer bodies.
 
Very true. So we are still baffled then! :D
 
For a wedding i would use my 40D as apposed to the 1D just the weight from carrying it all day :D
my sisters wedding the tog had 2 nikon D40's and asked to have a play with my 40D, my sister now has 2 wedding albums with loads of shots of her day so happy all round :D
 
since in a studio, he may use the 450 as no weather proofing required, gives images that are a good size, no need for spec of the higher end models, and if he is giving a tutorial, the camera would be closer to what people will bring with them, thus making it easier to describe the settings or show how to use the camera. this will also make his 1d(if he has one) last longer(fewer shutter activations).

if he was outdoors i would expect a 1d at least purely for weatherproofing.
i would say glass is more important than the cam though.

as for a backup cam, his usual may well have died the morning of the shoot so he went out and bought something for the days :shrug:
 
Jon Grey, who is a brilliant pro tog, shot a DVD for Bowens on studio lighting and for his location shoots he uses a 20D. (and probably gets better pics than I do with a 1Ds!)
 
It wasn't a tutorial he was being paid to take pictures of the band that were destined to be shown to some music executives so they needed to be shown at their best.
 
Were they to be shown on a PC screen or printed media? What size were any prints?

To be honest, printing up to A3, any of the current crop of digital cameras should be more than capable. Music Execs would be more critical of the band's music and overall look than pixel peeping.
 
>>he was being paid to take pictures of the band that were destined to be shown to some music executives so they needed to be shown at their best.

The 450D is a capable camera and at a reasonable size "normal" people will not be able to tell which picture is taken with what camera (providing that the pictures are exposed and composed OK)

If the Music execs are getting JPGs and then examining the EXIFs to find out how the pics were taken, I would suggest that they are in the wrong business.

Being a pro is all about choosing the right tools for the job... and AFAIK the 450D is perfectly capable of producing stunning shots (as is my 30D - though I am not so good at composition as a Pro would be!) so why shouldn't the "Pro" use a 450D if he wants to?

B.
 
BenMottram said:
so why shouldn't the "Pro" use a 450D if he wants to?
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Would you be happy if a plumber turned up on his pushbike with a plastic bag of 'value' tools?

Would you be happy if your main dealer took your car to someone who worked on cars on their driveway?

Would you be happy if you paid for a Pro Tog and he used a 450D instead of a Mk1?

If you want 'cheap', then you get what you pay for. If you want Pro, then you should get someone using the best tools with the best experience.

he was being paid to take pictures of the band that were destined to be shown to some music executives so they needed to be shown at their best.
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Sorry, I totally disagree that a Pro Tog should be using a 450D when working on a top job. The 450D is a fine camera, but it is not a Pro camera!
 
I would think (expect ?) that a 'Successful Pro Tog' would have high end kit as these are the tools of his / her trade and as such would be bought through the company and offset against any tax liability's.
 
JumboBeef said:
Would you be happy if a plumber turned up on his pushbike with a plastic bag of 'value' tools?

Would you be happy if you paid for a Pro Tog and he used a 450D instead of a Mk1?

If you want 'cheap', then you get what you pay for. If you want Pro, then you should get someone using the best tools with the best experience.
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Done the plumbing bit many a time .... and done a proper job! Got paid too. :)

Most people having photo's done by a "Pro" wouldn't know the difference between one camera and another ..... especially when looking at the results. They would know a good pro from a bad one by then though.

My labour charges are cheap and i do a cheap job ..... properly though and usually travel on a pushbike too. ;)

And as for the best tools and experience ..... Best tools for the job are often the ones that the operator is most comfortable using to do the work to the required standard ..... Experience, that's a whole new ballgame ...... counts for not a lot nowadays. Having 25 years plus as a Gardener/Handyman counts for nothing ...... "Certificates and Licences" are what is needed in this Health and Safety/PC Correct country that we live in! :(
 
JumboBeef said:
Would you be happy if a plumber turned up on his pushbike with a plastic bag of 'value' tools?

Would you be happy if your main dealer took your car to someone who worked on cars on their driveway?

Would you be happy if you paid for a Pro Tog and he used a 450D instead of a Mk1?

If you want 'cheap', then you get what you pay for. If you want Pro, then you should get someone using the best tools with the best experience.



Sorry, I totally disagree that a Pro Tog should be using a 450D when working on a top job. The 450D is a fine camera, but it is not a Pro camera!
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:agree:

If there were no significant benefits in using 'Pro' gear, Canon/Nikon wouldn't spend so many £millions developing them, nor all those 'Pro suckers' would be daft enough to buy them

Any decent camera in the hands of a great user would record great images, but Pro gear gear gives you more chances to get it right or get away with it in more conditions more often. A 450 in a studio? Odd, but it's not challenging to a camera is it. A 450d or similar as a Wedding camera? I'd have to consider that a bit odd at least

Where's the '2p rolls slowly by smiley' ???

DD
 
JumboBeef said:
Would you be happy if you paid for a Pro Tog and he used a 450D instead of a Mk1?

If you want 'cheap', then you get what you pay for. If you want Pro, then you should get someone using the best tools with the best experience.



Sorry, I totally disagree that a Pro Tog should be using a 450D when working on a top job. The 450D is a fine camera, but it is not a Pro camera!
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Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn (I've waited ages to get that one in :naughty:)

I'm not a pro but I have a range of cameras at my disposal and I'll choose whichever I think will do the job. That may be a 20D or a medium format film camera.

I know a fair few top pros who will happily pick up a 20D or a 5D. Funnily enough the pros tend to get a lot less "hung up" on the labels than enthusiasts. It's just a tool and if it does the job then that's all that is required.

It's the output that needs to be considered. If it's going to be a few 6x4 prints then I'd suggest a 21mp 1Ds might be a bit of overkill.
 
Well anything is possible, I have seen pros and papps using bridge cameras on the TV, admittedly for journalistic work, not studio stuff. I would imagine FF sensor for the pro studio stuff or Hasselblad for high quality work that studios are used for.
 
AliB said:
If it's going to be a few 6x4 prints then I'd suggest a 21mp 1Ds might be a bit of overkill.
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Not if the clients decides on a 90% crop !!! :eek:



Seriously though, most of us (aside from client work) either don't print our photos or we print them at 300 dpi on home A3 or smaller printers

My old D100 (6mp) was fine at this size, so why do so many amateurs replace their cameras so often?

There's loads on here swapped a D200 for a D300, D70 for D80 etc. and no doubt the Canon boys do the same

Bit daft really isn't it :thinking::thinking::thinking:

DD
 
Thanks for the feedback and responses. I'm still none the wiser but it's been interesting reading the varied replies and opinions. I think I agree that I would like a workman doing a job for me to bring the correct tools use the correct techniques and provide me with a quality service. The pictures were fine and they've been sent to the States so let's wait and see whether the band get a good response and the pics help them on their way to a brighter future ;)
 
DiddyDave said:
A 450d or similar as a Wedding camera? I'd have to consider that a bit odd at least
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There's a guy in my area that shoots weddings with a 350D+kit lens - £199 for 2 hours coverage and jpegs straight from camera to CD. He's a pro... at the weekend :lol:

Seriously, a 405D in the studio isn't so bad, low ISO, good light and the results will be very good. Compare the 450D image quality to the original 1D for some context.
 
DiddyDave said:
Not if the clients decides on a 90% crop !!! :eek:



DD
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Says a bit about the framing then DD. Then I'd get worried about the tog! :clap:

The pics were fine and have been sent to the States. So if the pics were fine does it really matter what was used to create them? Let's hope all is well with the band, that's all that really matters.
 
pxl8 said:
There's a guy in my area that shoots weddings with a 350D+kit lens - £199 for 2 hours coverage and jpegs straight from camera to CD. He's a pro... at the weekend :lol:
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While I can see the humour from a 'Pro' point of view - if he's getting work regularly that's a damn good rate of pay for not very much work at all

DD
 
DiddyDave said:
While I can see the humour from a 'Pro' point of view - if he's getting work regularly that's a damn good rate of pay for not very much work at all

DD
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For a while he was pretty busy but word of mouth from unhappy clients slowed things down somewhat. Last I heard he was trying his hand at pet portraits @ £25 a pop...
 
I'd like to think they'd be paying for the photographer and not the camera, if they get the shots you want and they are of high enough quality for the intended output formats then who cares.

If they do a poor job then word will get around.
 
pxl8 said:
For a while he was pretty busy but word of mouth from unhappy clients slowed things down somewhat. Last I heard he was trying his hand at pet portraits @ £25 a pop...
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Ah - that's different then

Just thinking that a good tog doing a basic ceremony only service like that could make a good go of it without any/much of the hassle-bits of albums, etc. though straight from camera to cd is a bit shabby whichever way you look at it

Might save that one for later years & retirement!

:D

DD
 
Maybe it's because I'm older but I find this modern day shallowness and the "must have the newest and supposedly best tool" snobbery absolutely hilarious.

It doesn't matter what tools you think they use or how much jargon they spout, it is the end result that counts. Nothing more, nothing less, just the end result. For the end user the result is what is being paid for, not the process that get's to that result.
 
Grockle said:
Maybe it's because I'm older but I find this modern day shallowness and the "must have the newest and supposedly best tool" snobbery absolutely hilarious.
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So why doesn't everyone throw away all the 40Ds, 5Ds and Mk1s and just work with 450Ds?

....because the better cameras (in the same hands) give better results!
 
Yes you are indeed correct, but some posts infer that very good results cannot be achieved with lesser bodies, I think that is wrong.
 
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