Would you like to use your old film SLR as digital?

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There seems to be a solutions abrewing!

This looks amazing, and is something that I feel will be of massive interest! There are even updates now so you can change the sensor yourself to upgrade if you wish and you can shoot in RAW!

It is currently on a Crown Funding site as he is trying to fund it.

Looks like an amazing idea and very simplistic!

There is no live view and no preview, so it is like using actual film, without the cost!

What do you guys think? Would you be interested in a product like this?

http://ravenphotographyuk.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/would-you-like-to-use-your-old-slr-camera-as-a-digital/
 
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This does look interesting even with a reduced size sensor but it doesn't look like he's going to get the funding.

It's a shame as I'm sure that this would sell and that even a full frame and quite expensive one would sell but the question is in what numbers and would it be profitable.

I really hope he gets there and that it's a success and that he eventually offers a 35mm version.
 
There is nothing new here. Similar ideas have been around since the dawn of digital and indeed the first DSLRs were modified film SLRs. Some history here http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/0...ck-at-the-failure-of-the-silicon-film-project

The problem is that a modern DSLR involves a great deal more than just replacing the film with a digital sensor. And by the time you've done all that, it's better to start with a clean sheet.

There will be a few people that would just like to use their old film cameras and would put up with all the shortcomings (which are both numerous and substantial) but the reality is that's a tiny market.
 
There will be a few people that would just like to use their old film cameras and would put up with all the shortcomings (which are both numerous and substantial) but the reality is that's a tiny market.

I'm part of that market. £200 to be able to use any of my old film cameras as a digital even with the shortcomings seems a good price to me.

Maybe copy this thread to the F&C section as thats where most potential customers are I imagine.

My only concern is that although it showed a photo of old rangefinders, I'm not sure if it would fit in my old Leicas that load from the bottom rather than the back.
 
I'm part of that market. £200 to be able to use any of my old film cameras as a digital even with the shortcomings seems a good price to me.

Maybe copy this thread to the F&C section as thats where most potential customers are I imagine.

My only concern is that although it showed a photo of old rangefinders, I'm not sure if it would fit in my old Leicas that load from the bottom rather than the back.

With a tiny sensor?

I understand where you're coming from though even if it doesn't appeal to me. But the reality is it would be nothing like the true 'film experience' and horribly compromised on so many levels. A much better idea would seem to be shoot film and then scan it - that's how I did it in the early days, and many others too.
 
I wouldnt be trying to replicate the 'film experience' I mainly shoot film and have a darkroom at home for proper wet prints and also scan where necessary.

I just like the idea of popping in a digipod and transfer it from camera to camera for fun snapping.

As for the tiny sensor size....yes I imagine this could be a problem. But then again, seeing some of the photos my daughter gets from her iphone have stunning quality.

Perhaps naively, I don't really understand why old film cameras would be sub-optimal for a use with a digital sensor. I use old Nikon lenses on my Nikon digital camera with no loss of quality and surely the shutter is just there to expose x seconds of light?
 
I'm not sure if it would fit in my old Leicas that load from the bottom rather than the back.

Why on earth would you want to mangle your leica to take this thing!

Its like taking the engine out of an aston marton db5 and replacing it with a Prius engine.

If you want a small sensor digital then go buy one. They're cheap enough these days. I think that crippling your FF film cameras would be a backward step.

To pinch someone else's quote, You have 24-36 brand new FF sensors every time you wind the film on for a few quid. This sort of idea just befuddles me.
 
Why on earth would you want to mangle your leica to take this thing!

Its like taking the engine out of an aston marton db5 and replacing it with a Prius engine.

If you want a small sensor digital then go buy one. They're cheap enough these days. I think that crippling your FF film cameras would be a backward step.

To pinch someone else's quote, You have 24-36 brand new FF sensors every time you wind the film on for a few quid. This sort of idea just befuddles me.

Well obviously I'm not going to do it if there is a risk of damage....duh
 
Im sure you wouldn wreck it, my point is why change a FF camera to something of a cheap point and shoot quality? duh indeed.
 
The tiny sensor would put me off as that way it would be near impossible to get any sort of wide angle, plus their saying they will provide viewfinder and mirror masks so only a small area of the viewfinder will be used.

It'll be interesting how they'll get round the various idiosyncrasies of different cameras though, such as some only working with DX encoded film with no manual override, or off the film plane TTL flash metering which doesn't work with digital sensors very well as far as I can remember as their not reflective enough.
 
How do we know its just cheap point and shoot quality? The iphone sensor seems to produce pretty good quality stuff.

If it was just about quality, I would never use my FF 35mm as it can't compete with my MF Hassy, which in turn can't compete with my 5x4 large format.

I have several old film cameras that I am attached to so wont get rid of but never or rarely use. Would be fun to chuck in a digipod every now and then.

It just seems a fun idea to use my film cameras on a digital sensor.

This product is evidently not for everyone, but if it works properly, I'd certainly love one.
 
Why are you all going on about tiny sensors? It is already something that has been mentioned that you can swap an upgrade it! So as technology moves forward, it will probably end up FF!

PRODUCT UPDATE:

After a software and hardware review the following updates have been added to the DigiPod:
The Sensor ribbon will now have a connector plug so that users can upgrade to a larger or replace a sensor as they become available.
Also users will be able to implement software upgrades via the micro usb.
There have been a few inquiries about RAW file capture, users will now have that option through a software update that will be made available post production via a DigiPod web site now under construction (should a user update to raw file capture it will replace one of the existing three file saving options).
It is your comments and feed back that have driven these updates, a few have commented on the size of the sensor, we know everyone would like a full size sensor, as we would but cost of full size is the consideration here.
All I can say is the hardware is more than capable of processing the information from a full size sensor and storing that information in acceptable image numbers.
With the implementation of the connector plug in the sensor ribbon we are now looking at making a number of sensor sizes available post production and we will update as soon as we have news of sizes and costs.
Please keep promoting DigiPod wherever you can
All Good Things

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/digipod?c=activity
 
It's interesting but your trading away that film camera feel (image) for digital. That will not be half as good or as cheap as a used digital. This caters to the person who is in love with a camera(body) of the past.... and i'm not sure there are that many out there!
 
It's interesting but your trading away that film camera feel (image) for digital. That will not be half as good or as cheap as a used digital. This caters to the person who is in love with a camera(body) of the past.... and i'm not sure there are that many out there!

Why is it a trade away? It's not a permanent conversion.

Use film for serious stuff and pop in a digipod for fluffy stuff.

And yes, I am in love with old Leica rangefinders, almost all non electric Nikon SLRs, etc...
 
There are several links within the link I posted earlier about all the problems. And some very bright people have spent mi££ions over the years trying to overcome them.

TBH, I think that with today's technology and a big enough budget, something reasonably workable could be made. But it could never compete with a modern DSLR as a serious tool, and that in turn means the market's very small - and and shrinking :(
 
Why is it a trade away? It's not a permanent conversion.

Use film for serious stuff and pop in a digipod for fluffy stuff.

And yes, I am in love with old Leica rangefinders, almost all non electric Nikon SLRs, etc...

I guess if your not leaving it in that makes more sense...
 
It does seem like a very small market.

It has to be the full mashings or its just a novelty with limited appeal, and that won't get the funding.
 
There are several links within the link I posted earlier about all the problems. And some very bright people have spent mi££ions over the years trying to overcome them.

TBH, I think that with today's technology and a big enough budget, something reasonably workable could be made. But it could never compete with a modern DSLR as a serious tool, and that in turn means the market's very small - and and shrinking :(

Fair point Richard, and perhaps the lack of funding the guy has received is partly as a reasonable perception of the potential market.

I did read your links as to the problems, but DX coding, TTL flash, changing ISO twice are not big problems IMO. The viewfinder issue as a big one, but I imagine would be overcome once one got used to the crop size.

I don't think this product is intended to produce a serious digital product to compete with digital SLRs, but a way of breathing new life and alternative use for old film cameras.
 
If he could offer the units with optional quartz/various IR/hydrogen-α filters, I think he'd have a market in those folks who don't want to permanently convert their DSLRs.
 
At 20/30 quid I think he would have a reasonable market for people with an old camera. But outside the hard core, his market will be very very small. At 200 quid you can get a reasonable point and shoot which to 99% of people including me would be more attractive.
 
I did read your links as to the problems, but DX coding, TTL flash, changing ISO twice are not big problems IMO.

TTL off the film plane flash is a big problem if you should want to use a flash with most film cameras after about 1988 or so as thats how flash metering worked for the great majority (until pre flash etc was also offered with some)!

The biggest problem would be the 'crop factor' of that tiny sensor as a standard 50mm lens with a 2/3" sensor has an angle of view similar to an ~200mm lens on 35mm and the actual captured area of the total viewfinder you see is tiny

See here for what I mean, put 50mm in as the focal length and select 2/3" and the D800 for comparison, look at the sensor size overlay at the bottom, thats roughly the area of the viewfinder that you would be capturing (this is in 16:9 as its for cinematographers but its essentially the same for comparison purposes)

http://www.abelcine.com/fov/
 
TTL off the film plane flash is a big problem if you should want to use a flash with most film cameras after about 1988 or so as thats how flash metering worked for the great majority (until pre flash etc was also offered with some)!

The biggest problem would be the 'crop factor' of that tiny sensor as a standard 50mm lens with a 2/3" sensor has an angle of view similar to an ~200mm lens on 35mm and the actual captured area of the total viewfinder you see is tiny

See here for what I mean, put 50mm in as the focal length and select 2/3" and the D800 for comparison, look at the sensor size overlay at the bottom, thats roughly the area of the viewfinder that you would be capturing (this is in 16:9 as its for cinematographers but its essentially the same for comparison purposes)

http://www.abelcine.com/fov/

Sorry...when I said 'not problems IMO', I meant not problems for me as I dont even own a flash for my old film cameras.

I didn't realise it was that much of a crop factor, and yes that is a significant problem for the viewfinder, and also I guess that it would make the camera useless for shooting anything nearby. Sometimes 'extra reach' of a crop sensor is useful, but this would be ridiculous if my 50mm was the equivalent of a 200mm.
 
Sorry...when I said 'not problems IMO', I meant not problems for me as I dont even own a flash for my old film cameras.

I didn't realise it was that much of a crop factor, and yes that is a significant problem for the viewfinder, and also I guess that it would make the camera useless for shooting anything nearby. Sometimes 'extra reach' of a crop sensor is useful, but this would be ridiculous if my 50mm was the equivalent of a 200mm.

Be an even bigger problem for rangefinders I imagine with the framelines.
 
He doesn't say what the 'Price-Break' is; and I think that's the key.

(It's also a UK development; he'd probably get the numbers he needs better, promoting it in the USA.)

But; I don't think it will go far without a full-frame sensor, and I think its a mistake to try marketing it without one.

It needs to be a drop-in, works like a film, one-shot consumer solution, that works like film.

Having to mask the mirror to frame what the sensor will see in the view-finder... pretty much limits it to SLR's, or at least makes it more hit and miss for range finder or viewfinder cameras.

If I had one, or even two of these widgets; I would, probably want to drop it into my Old XA2 compact, when I don't want to lug the SLR about; or have one in the XA for grab-shots.

Meanwhile, I would be loath to start trying to stick bits of insulation tape onto the fine semi-silvered mirror of my OM4! and risk the glue harming it, should I want to take it off again!

I'd also be a bit reluctant to have a go, having not so steady banana fingers! I'd probably end up with it off center and all wrinkled! Bad enough trying to apply a screen protector to my daughters i-phone!

'Plug and Play'.... it has to be as close as possible. And it's just not 'quite' there, by the sounds of it.

BUT, he says it COULD have a full-frame sensor... if they met price breaks...

OK... I don't know how much this product is likely to cost. Boxes for different colour versions, in the side bar, seem to be implying if you pledge about £200 you get one of the first batch, £250 one of the limited edition colours; £10 just gets you a support pack of info, and I presume first dibs on a retail model if it makes it.

So, what would the retail be? £200?

As Old wet-film hand, I have held off buying Digital SLR until this year; as for the last fifteen years; the technology has been moving too fast; the resolution was too low for the prices, and it was becoming obsolete to quick.

Technology in the last five years has plateau'd, to a degree, and entry level DSLR's with 'acceptable' image quality are now available for approx £300.... so I bought one....

Now, if six months ago, this chap had cought me in the shop and said; "Don't buy that, buy THIS!"... I would have to say I would have been pretty tempted.

BUT... its only 'half' a camera. It would still be my old Olympus or Sigma sat around it, wearing out. Yup; got nice glass to stick around it; and full-frame resolution..... it might make me stop and think about it. BUT.

£300 for an all new camera... with warranty on ALL of it. Against, £250 'Widget' to use my twenty odd year old film-camera, and get digital straight out the back, without wet-processing or scanning?

I think at that point I would start asking impertinent questions; like, whats the pix count, and what are the lab tests like? From MY camera... Would I be getting something that is as 'good' as a full-frame high-pix Digital; maybe £800's worth of camera, for my £250?

And how reliable is it? To spend that kind of money; on an 'old' camera accessory?

It would be instead of a Digi-SLR, not as well as. It would have to be as durable and long lasting as an entry level DSLR, to do the job of being front line, main-use camera.

Novelty, of being able to go play with old film cameras would not be enough.

For something to drop into any old car-boot special, for the fun of?! Yeah, I might be prepared to take a different view. Would still have to be full-frame, drop in consumer friendly; in 'almost' any 35mm film camera...

On which point? What if the Camera is DX coded? Is the case blank? Will it need labels for DX only cameras? Is there an interface between DX contacts and the ASA setting on the widget to tell the camera what to meter to?

I might be prepared for it to offer a lower pix-count and IQ, as a more 'for the fun of' product to exercise some of the old cameras, BUT... would expect the price to be down in the sub £100 bracket, more likely the pocket money, under £50 range, for me to buy it, 'just for a bit of fun'.

What he has at the moment? Well, being a bit brutal, is an experiment that he's taken a bit further than something I did four years ago, taking the lens out of a £15 web-cam, and putting it behind the shutter of my OM4 with the back removed..... and tackle 'some' of the convenience problems.

10/10 for effort and perseverance; but it's not, as far as I can see, as yet 'market ready'... and he's in a danger-zone, where trying to market a 'compromised' half-ready product, he's as likely to generate negative reputation to add resistance to market adoption; and be dismissed as yet another "Yeah, these things keep coming round, making all the promises and never delivering"

HAS to deliver... means full frame, work as the camera intended user-friendliness; drop in and go, no messing filing pressure plates off the camera-back; no masking mirrors; and minimal product 'set-up' before use.

And I see two, possibly products in there, at three prices.

A 'consumer' or 'fun' product, marketing for sub £50,... The 'entry Level' model; maybe with a low pix count, perhaps sub 10Mp; that would sell to folk, buying old 'cheap' film cameras to see if they work and what they can do with them, who wont want to spend more than they paid for the camera for the digi-widget; or folk like me with some old 35mm compacts knocking around, and just want to give them a walk in the park. Something that the perceived 'value' can be entirely rationalised against how many rolls of conventional film it costs, and is in the pocket-money, don't have to think too hard or save up to buy it price range.

An 'enthusiasts' or hobby version; something for keener photographers more worried about IQ and who want something that can compete against conventional level SLR's, where perceived value can be rated against pro's and cons of DSLR's; and significantly second hand DSLR's, as you are fitting the digi-film into a second hand or 'old' camera; and the benefits have to be, that it delivers as good IQ as a contemporary, state of the art full-frame DSLR, without the running costs of film, and the bonus of being able to maintain that IQ with, low cost, high quality glass, from obsolete Film SLR series.

Then potentially a 'Geek' or Pro grade version; that offers the real-world equivalency of a Full-Frame DSLR, but adds digital functionality... wi-fi or blue-tooth uplink to a lap-top or similar portable device to get data out of the digi-film without leads or drilling holes and stuff, but allow frame by frame ASA adjustment; 'live' TTL viewing, and whatever else you want it to do.

As it stands? With a 1/4 frame 10x8mm sensor? What would the crop factor be? Somewhere around 3x!

It's just not viable; you'd loose so much 'useful' lens coverage from a crop that high; 50mm 'standard' would become something like a 150mm telephoto. My 12mm fish-eye would give a field of view just a bit tighter than a 35mm mild wide!!!!

So, as is... No.

It needs a lot more work to make it more consumer useable; it NEEDS the full 24x36mm sensor, and it needs to be punted at the right price; and it's just not there, nor close enough, as it stands.
 
Why are people talking about tiny sensors? The guy says...

•2000 backers will allow us to upgrade the Cmos sensor to a 1” that’s 12.8 to 9.6 millimetre.

•5000 backers will see the digiPod use a 4/3rds which is 18.0 x 13.5 millimetre.

I suppose 1" is tiny but there are some high quality images produced by 1" chips these days and despite what some may think there's quality to be had from 4/3 sensors too.

Personally I wouldn't expect this to be as good as a modern top end DSLR as for one thing if looking at old film SLR's the lenses wont be up to the standard of modern digital lenses but it'd be something that some would be interested in and it'd give another option other than carrying a modern big fat bloated and heavy DSLR+lens.

This may not be for everyone but I hope he gets it into production.
 
Unless the sensor is full frame its pointless. 5 years ago it would have been a great idea but now its more of a niche. I'd love one to use in my dynax as it is so good to use. But if it is going to require any modification that would stop me using film in it then its a non starter.
 
Novel idea, but I don't think he has a hope of getting 200 grand.
 
It'll be interesting how they'll get round the various idiosyncrasies of different cameras though, such as some only working with DX encoded film with no manual override, or off the film plane TTL flash metering which doesn't work with digital sensors very well as far as I can remember as their not reflective enough.
Yup, that's one of the reasons I said I'd have been asking impertinant questions about the lab-results in 'My' camera....
OM's are off the film metering, in 'auto' as well as for flash; whey-back-when there used to be guides on how much correction different films might need on the ASA setting to compensate for thier different colours & reflectivity. I seem to recall that B&W film tended to slightly over-expose, due to being slightly darker than colour emulsions.
That suggests a solution; either a non consumer 'fudge', setting the Digi-Widget to say 100ASA and the camera meter to, whatever, 50? To make it over-expose from what it thinks it's seeing coming off more reflective surface.
But then that play-s back to the DX coding question.
Consumer Solution would be, in the 'pre-use' set up, to have pre-defined 'Camera-Profiles' to fast 'tune' the Digi-Widget and dial in such sensitivity setting compensation to match to specific cameras meters; and save having to find out and set the shutter type and so on; in the interface software.
Take a LOT of lab-testing, of a LOT of cameras though to cover possible range of cameras the widget might be used in!
A bit of advice in the instructions? Might be acceptable on a £30 'fun' product... but not on something they are expecting me to pay almost as much as a brand new DSLR for.
Why are you all going on about tiny sensors? It is already something that has been mentioned that you can swap an upgrade it! So as technology moves forward, it will probably end up FF!
Idea of interchangeable sensor is a fudge. Its admitting it ought to have something it doesn't.
And to be honest, if I was one of the 1000 people pledging to as £250 prototype in order to get the funding for mass market development, to bring the cost down?!?!
I would be rather more than a bit peeved to have stumped up that much money, to sponsor the idea, and help get it to market, to be rewarded by a sub-standard product, I had paid more for than joe-blogs in the street, and THEN be asked for even MORE money for an 'up-grade' I had helped fund development of! Honestly; I would expect it to be the other way around, and that my £250 bought me the full-frame sensor I really wanted, and would be sent one as soon as it came available for what I had already paid! Not be told I might be able to 'upgrade'.

Otherwise, notion does offer interesting potential; as suggested, for accessory IR sensors; or possibly a super-high resolution 'dedicated' B&W sensor, or others, like 'specialist' film emulsions.... but? Its a removeable cartridge; that potential is rather deminished, especially if marketed as more of the 'fun' model, by fact that for such infrequent experiments, you would probably be as well off, simply switching it out for a roll of specialist film.

And as is, the cost is in the sensor, not the plastic cartridge and electronics.... I think that its probably adding unnecessary cost and complexity to the device for no real gain.

Bite the bullet, make it full-frame from the off; make it 'do' what people will hope it will; Meet and exceed thier expectations, get them to be EXITED about the thing, not make excuses for it.

If you have to make a small sensor, model to get 'something' to market? Well, at least make it APS sized so that the lens range isn't SO far off, and rather than upgrading the sensor, make the 'upgrade' an all new product.

It has to be a consumer product.... and for that... sexist trusim I'm afraid... you have to be able to hand one to a house wife, and she has to be able to use it, with no prior knowledge within five minutes.....

I bet the developers are all blokes.... to them pulling plugs and fiddling with wires and buttons is all part of the fun.... but, not to face-less consumer!

Faceless consumer expects something that drops in, much like a film, and they can start taking pictures with in a few minutes.
 
There was a hoax about this before so not really a "new idea"
See the disclaimer at the bottom of this link :- http://re35.net/# actually looks like a viable product until you read further.
Good idea though:)
 
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Why are people talking about tiny sensors? The guy says...

•2000 backers will allow us to upgrade the Cmos sensor to a 1” that’s 12.8 to 9.6 millimetre.

•5000 backers will see the digiPod use a 4/3rds which is 18.0 x 13.5 millimetre.

I suppose 1" is tiny but there are some high quality images produced by 1" chips these days and despite what some may think there's quality to be had from 4/3 sensors too.

Personally I wouldn't expect this to be as good as a modern top end DSLR as for one thing if looking at old film SLR's the lenses wont be up to the standard of modern digital lenses but it'd be something that some would be interested in and it'd give another option other than carrying a modern big fat bloated and heavy DSLR+lens.

This may not be for everyone but I hope he gets it into production.

If you actually read it carefully, the current sensor that is going to be used is a 2/3" one which gives the massive crop factor as mentioned above and means that only a tiny proportion of the image in the viewfinder will actually be captured. Its only if those that number of backers is met will those larger sensors be able to be used (and I don't think he'll be able to get that many for even the 1" one).
 
Seems to be a solution to a problem which doesn't exist.

Full frame sensors are readily available for these cameras in rolls of 24 or 36 exposures. A new sensor for each shot so no dust problems!

Also, very capable digital cameras exist too. So why bother taking two technologies and try to make them do something neither was designed to do and will never do as well as using either for their intended purpose?

It's as logical as inventing a potato peeling cheese grater.


Steve.
 
Pointless? What sort of camera do you use?

Most people use smaller than 35mm sensors, FF is more of a niche.

YES... most people do, but in cameras that have lenses with focal lengths designed to 'match' the sensor size.

This is a retro fit sensor, going into a camera designed around a 24x36mm 'sensor'.

The 8mm x 10mm sensor he suggests they have now, and is all they can afford at the price break 10K backers all pledging the price of a Cash-Back D3100 'kit' with 18-55 lens...... has a 3x crop factor.

Widest angle lens I have, and about as wide as you can get for a 35mm film camera is a 12mm fish-eye.... crop factor THAT big, 3x, makes that a 36mm mild wide angle!

My 28mm wide angle, would become a 90mm telephoto! My 50mm standard lens a 150mm telephoto, and my 500mm telephoto a frigging telescope!

It would make 'wide angle' shots virtually impossible!

Meanwhile; there's no view-screen on the back; you have to look through optical view-finder..... a view-finder that would have more than 2/3 of the screen masked out....

View-finder on my pretty bright, Sigma MK1 is approx 10mm tall by 15mm wide... But I would be trying to squint at a crop, probably 4mm wide by less than 3mm high!

Its just not practicable or viable. In USE you' would see bog all through the view-finder... imagine trying to see stuff that little in tricky lighting! And with such grosely mismatched lens range, framing would be nie on impossible.

If you notice, in the vid, he is running his widget tethered... and he's looking at the monitor screen to frame his shot.... THIS IS WHY.

As is, the product is just impractical.

Nothing to do with the IQ from small sensors... He hasn't even mentioned what the sensor resolution may be! Because as it stands its accademic; the product, with that small a sensor is just nie on unworkeable.
 
Something which needs to be considered is the space for this to fit.

It has to have a sensor with its sensitive surface at the film plane and if no modification of the back is to be done, it needs to be as thin as a piece of film - about 0.175mm

If the pressure plate is removed that might increase it to about 5mm but who wants to do that?


Steve.
 
Pointless? What sort of camera do you use?

Most people use smaller than 35mm sensors, FF is more of a niche.

In my 35mm film camera I have a 35 mm sized analogue sensor of sorts. If you have a smaller sensor then all the fields of view and focal lengths are going to be screwed up unless this system has found a way of obtaining the full field of view with a smaller sensor. If it hasn't I'd just continue shooting normal film.
 
Seems to be a solution to a problem which doesn't exist.

Full frame sensors are readily available for these cameras in rolls of 24 or 36 exposures. A new sensor for each shot so no dust problems!

Also, very capable digital cameras exist too. So why bother taking two technologies and try to make them do something neither was designed to do and will never do as well as using either for their intended purpose?

It's as logical as inventing a potato peeling cheese grater.


Steve.

Exactly. It's called film, and it works really well!

So use your old SLR or Leica etc with film, get it processed with a CD of all the images included (about a fiver) and there you have it. You've used your beloved old camera and lenses, in exactly the way they were meant to be used, you've got a high quality result in both film and digital media, and all options are open.

IMHO, that is the best of both worlds. The more you look into the digital cartridge-idea, the less appealing it becomes.
 
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