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Selling off the 80-400 mm Tokina I have coming and instead, getting a 2x or 1.4 x teleconvertor and a wide angle lens?

I just don't know I need the 80-400 when I will already have a 28-135, 70-200 L and macro... surely a wide angle will be more use... ?

Would a teleconvertor work on the end of the 70-200 F4 L ?
 
wait and see? seems logical to me. have a feel with the lens, give it a month or two, and see how much you use it. if not at all, go for it!, but theres no real way of knowing untill youve had a go with it.
nathan
 
The point is, I do landscape.
Thus need a wide angle lens. I feel that would be more useful to me than a zoom currently.
 
It all depends what photography you will be doing .... Only you can say if you need the additional 200mm...

If you do get a TC I would get a 1.4 and steer clear of the 2 as you will notice the drop off.

The 70-200 will be a lot faster on the AF side than the Tokina... I was looking at getting the Nikon VR 80-400 and played with the Tokina as well to compare.

I found it very sluggish and the tripod collar is a pain as you can not remove it and it gets in the way of the zoom ring... If you have small hands it will be a major pain.

Even though the Nikon is showing its age now it is still a cracking lens and is worth double the cost of the Tokina (When I looked it was about 400 to 450).

Shutterman
 
The sigma 10-20 is a cracking lens.... you area more likely to use the wide more than a longer lens...

Shutterman
 
Eh, I doubt I could afford the sigma, I would be looking to the Tokina 12-24 as it has had outstanding reviews.
 
Erm, I'm lost. Why did you order the 80-400? Did you have a use in mind or something or was it an impulse buy?

The TC's all cause the loss of light [1 stop for the 1.4 and 2 stops for the 2x] and quality, the 2x causes noticeable degradation. I would concur with the above, keep the lens for a couple of months and see how you get on.
 
^^^^ i'm lost too - a 80-400 for landscape ??

IF you can cancel the order, or get a return then suggest you do so, leave it a few weeks and see how you get on.

10-20mm Sigma seems a reasonable bet to cope with the crop sensor of the body.
 
I did not order the 80-400 for landscape and nowhere did I say I ordered it for landscape!
It was ordered as I also wish to get into wildlife photography.
 
if you sell your 80-400mm give me a bell ;)
 
You didn't mention wildlife in the original post.

Stop trying to second guess yourself and see how you get on with what you have/have ordered.

You will need a longer lens for wildlife.

The 80-400 will give you that reach but i don't know about it's IQ.

A 1.4 TC should work on the 70-200 and probably on the 80-400 dependant on make perhaps, but the 2x will almost certainly require you to focus manually and may substantially reduce the IQ.
 
Not second guessing so much as the fact I have no wide angle, and without selling something, I cannot afford a wide angle, and I consider it kind of essential for a lot of the shots I wish to take.
 
davidbridges said:
what body do you have/getting ?
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I have a canon 40D coming Saturday. Eh, wish I had better planned which lenses to get.
I will have the canon 70-200 f4 L
Tokina 100mm macro
Tokina 80-400 and canon usm is 28-135.
But living so close to somewhere like the Isle of Wight, I really feel the need for a good wide angle as I love taking landscape. I feel the wildlife shots can wait.
 
Have you already got/ordered the kit above?

The 70 - 200 and the 80 - 400 are going to be very similar, so I guess one of those would be the best to go...

What do you shoot more? (Or do you see yourself shooting more?) If it i only going to be a small proportion of landscape you may be OK with the 28 - 135, my favourite landscape shot was taken at 50mm.

On a totally different tangent, have you thought of getting hold of the 18 - 55 kit lens? They are pretty cheap and when stopped down (as the would be for landscape) they are pretty good lenses, can be had for under £50 too! All thi is assuming you have a cropped sensor Canon...
 
I have heard bad things about the 18-55? There is one going cheap in the local LCE shop, but when I asked, he said they were not good lenses. I suppose it would do to tide me over until the end of the month when I would have enough for a better one. But I don't want to spend 40 quid on something totally crap.
 
They feel cheap, but that is because they are cheap. They aren't the best for manual focussing, but if you need a cheap lens to use for landscapes it will be fine...
 
If you now feel you can do without the wild life get rid of the 80-400.

Can you amend your order or is it to late.

under distance selling rules for NEW goods you can return it for no reason at all
 
Cannot really return it as it was all ordered by my friend and I don't think he would wish to go through all the hassle again. (they refused to mail the lenses directly to me so he is now having to bring them to me)
 
Seems to me that the first choice for somebody that is interested in landscapes and on a tight budget would be a wide angle. :thinking:

All other lenses would come later on.
 
Graelwyn said:
Cannot really return it as it was all ordered by my friend and I don't think he would wish to go through all the hassle again. (they refused to mail the lenses directly to me so he is now having to bring them to me)
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That is a shame. DSR allows for the simple return of unwanted goods, but you will lose money as you will have to sell it at less than new.
 
one thing i would add, is that you dont need a diferent lens to do each area of photography, yes a wide angle would be nice, but then again your 28-135 would do a great job aswell, lenses aren't going to make the photo, you are. if you dont think your going to get any use out of the 80-400, by all means sell it, but if theres even the slightest bit of dought (clear by posting on this forum) i dont see a reason why you cant just give the lens a try, and then make a decision. in the mean time, im sure youl have a great time shooting landscapes with the 28mm, its the widest ive got...and i love doing landscapes,
nathan
 
for landscapes you'll be stopping the 18-55mm down quite a bit and presumeably using a tripod or in good light, so you'll get pretty decent results. If I were in your shoes though, I'd keep the 70-200mm, ditch the tokina and other canon and replace with a canon 17-55mm f2.8 IS. Get the kenko 1.4X for a little more reach. If you then think you need to go wider than 17mm wait for the new tokina 11-16mm f2.8 to become more available in the uk. It's supposed to be a cracker.
 
walls said:
for landscapes you'll be stopping the 18-55mm down quite a bit and presumeably using a tripod or in good light, so you'll get pretty decent results. If I were in your shoes though, I'd keep the 70-200mm, ditch the tokina and other canon and replace with a canon 17-55mm f2.8 IS. Get the kenko 1.4X for a little more reach. If you then think you need to go wider than 17mm wait for the new tokina 11-16mm f2.8 to become more available in the uk. It's supposed to be a cracker.
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Sounds a plausible solution, though I would probably need a 2x convertor as I wish to photograph birds and for that, 300mm would be useless.
 
Graelwyn said:
Sounds a plausible solution, though I would probably need a 2x convertor as I wish to photograph birds and for that, 300mm would be useless.
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Bear in mind that you will loose a lot of light with a x2 and the af will be slow and hunt unless really bright....

70-300 with a x1.4 will give you a 450.... then you have the crop factor of the canon which I think is 1.6 so you will be longer still in 35mm terms..

If you understand where i coming from... (Bear in mind I have had far too much coffee)..

Shutterman
 
I have a 70-200, not 70-300 and I honestly don't want to be selling off all my new lenses in one go. Urgh, I so hate being on a damn budget.
 
Graelwyn said:
I have a 70-200, not 70-300 and I honestly don't want to be selling off all my new lenses in one go. Urgh, I so hate being on a damn budget.
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With the 70-200 you will be around the 450 at the top end with a 1.4x on as well...

That will be ok for wildlife...

Shutterman
 
A 2x tc (and to a lesser extent a 1.4x) will make your images very soft, although it depends how much this bothers you. I had the kenko 1.4x Pro on my Nikon 80-200 f/2.8 and I just couldn't get a pic I was happy with.

You also need to take into account that your f/4 lens will become an f/8 with a 2x tc which will make the autofocus pretty much useless
 
How do others manage then?
I have seen others on here using canon L lenses with a 1.4x converter and getting decent images.
Surely one doesn't have to lug around a 400 or 600mm lens for that?
 
the 70-200 f4 takes the kenko 1.4 very well but will take the lens to f5.6. You'd lose 2 stops with the 2X TC so you'd either lose autofocus or it'll be unbearable. Someone will confirm.

If i were you I'd spend a couple of months using the lenses you've bought and figuring out whether you're happy with the range, performance and quality.

this test shows the quality of the 70-200 F4 with kenko 1.4

http://www.pbase.com/lightrules/70300s
 
Graelwyn said:
How do others manage then?
I have seen others on here using canon L lenses with a 1.4x converter and getting decent images.
Surely one doesn't have to lug around a 400 or 600mm lens for that?
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The are probably f2.8 L lenses not f4.
 
walls said:
the 70-200 f4 takes the kenko 1.4 very well but will take the lens to f5.6. You'd lose 2 stops with the 2X TC so you'd either lose autofocus or it'll be unbearable. Someone will confirm.

If i were you I'd spend a couple of months using the lenses you've bought and figuring out whether you're happy with the range, performance and quality.

this test shows the quality of the 70-200 F4 with kenko 1.4

http://www.pbase.com/lightrules/70300s
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Looks good. What would the 1.4 take me to in mm for the 200mm ? I have issues working that out.
 
200 x 1.4 = 280mm
 
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