working with models in a studio - what would you pay

What would you pay to work in a studio with models?

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Hello,

From previous posts i have been attempting to run group sessions in Warrington for TP members to work in a studio environment using various equipment and working with two models at each sessions.


The last session was cancelled due to inexperienced models cancelling, so to make sure i can run these i need to judge whats is a reasonable fee without being too expensive.

So i am wondering from the attached poll, what would you see as a reasonable amount for three hours studio time, including two models, digestive biscuits, with a maximum of six photographers. This would give you the chance to work in a studio environment working with models and others photographers.

Thanks
 
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With respect, that's the wrong question and the wrong approach.

My approach is always to ask the model what s/he would be happy with. If the figure is far too low I usually say that I will pay a bit more than that because they are below the going rate (in which case the model will be very happy and is almost bound to arrive on time) or I turn the model down because of lack of experience. There is one model who is quite useful for some shoots, she quoted me £60 per day, I told her that she is worth £100 and that's what I pay her. Most of the models who work for me ask for around £100 for a full day. If it's a good fashion or cosmetics model I can often pay many times that amount if she has the right look and the right kind of experience for that particular shoot. Some offer to work for nothing because they like what I do.

If the price asked is too high I simply carry on looking. Asking a model what s/he wants and then asking them to accept less can be a recipe for a no-show, and so can offering a fixed amount that is less than they would have asked for if you had asked...

I had a similar thing yesterday, with a MUA. I asked how much she wanted, the answer was £350 so I will get someone else, I won't pay her that much and I won't ask her to work for the amount that I am prepared to pay.
 
i appreciate your feedback Garry and just trying to judge what a member of the public would be willing to pay to attend, from that what i pay for the model is up to me.

I dont intend to pay over the odds but need to cover model costs and my costs with a little profit, obviously the more the attendees pay, the little more i can pay the model so would get slightly more experienced model, again would not pay too for the model. Equally the more i take means the less change of cancellation should anyone drop out.
 
Ah... sorry.

I completely misread your question. I thought you were asking how much the models should be paid.
 
I might be worth pointing out the length of the session in the OP so people aren't thinking it's a full day (unless you're planning to change the session length).
 
SJRobbins said:
I might be worth pointing out the length of the session in the OP so people aren't thinking it's a full day (unless you're planning to change the session length).
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agreed. There may be varying permutations involved here.. for instance, how many togs in the session, how long for, any biscuits included :D, ratio models:togs etc..

if we're looking at the first session as an example i.e. 2 models: 6 togs for 3 hours then i'm comfortable with £35 as a ceiling figure :thumbs:
 
If it was as before, 6 togs, 2 models for three hours, £35 for me too.
 
You can tell the people who live in the posh areas of Cheshire ;-)

I think the title is misleading. I appreciate and admire what you are trying to do, but are you trying to make money out of this (which I don't have an issue with as long as that is made clear) but if this is just a 'give back' opportunity i.e just clearing expenses then I think £35 is too expensive. Lets face it each tog is only going to get 30mins on average which equates to £70/hr. Is that really the going rate ?
 
skiking said:
You can tell the people who live in the posh areas of Cheshire ;-)

I think the title is misleading. I appreciate and admire what you are trying to do, but are you trying to make money out of this (which I don't have an issue with as long as that is made clear) but if this is just a 'give back' opportunity i.e just clearing expenses then I think £35 is too expensive. Lets face it each tog is only going to get 30mins on average which equates to £70/hr. Is that really the going rate ?
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Well, that's one way of looking at it - if everyone there is such an expert that there is no point in watching/listening to the other people there and learning from them.

But for those of us who have some humility, it would be £35/3, or £11.67 per hour.
 
Depends on whether the other people are going to offer an insight into their camera settings and why they have set up their lights and view the output. There are so many variables not disclosed, there are so many standards attending not disclosed.

At the end of the day DM needs to charge what he sees fit based on what his motives are i.e giveback or business (you have to admire his efforts in organising such an event) and what he thinks people will pay given what they are offered.

I find it bizarre that models don't turn up because they are inexperienced - I must be missing something here.

Just my views, not expecting everyone to agree ;-)
 
it also depends on where else i would find someone with a fully kitted out studio within 10 minutes drive of my office that i am able to go along to with like minded people and share ideas and learn without feeling any pressure whatsoever. It's those elements to me which offer the best VFM :shrug:
 
leftcurl said:
agreed. There may be varying permutations involved here.. for instance, how many togs in the session, how long for, any biscuits included :D, ratio models:togs etc..

if we're looking at the first session as an example i.e. 2 models: 6 togs for 3 hours then i'm comfortable with £35 as a ceiling figure :thumbs:
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Updated Original post.

The time and amount of models will always be the same, as the amount of attending would be no more than 6 photographers at one time.

Biscuits could be varied, but cant promise :lol:
 
skiking said:
You can tell the people who live in the posh areas of Cheshire ;-)

I think the title is misleading. I appreciate and admire what you are trying to do, but are you trying to make money out of this (which I don't have an issue with as long as that is made clear) but if this is just a 'give back' opportunity i.e just clearing expenses then I think £35 is too expensive. Lets face it each tog is only going to get 30mins on average which equates to £70/hr. Is that really the going rate ?
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2 models for three hours used individually gives you 6 hours of model time between at the most 6 togs, equates to at least an hour each.

This set in a studio environment, and also in a building with some interesting exteriors to create various shots.

I think £35 at the most would be reasonable, unless of course you have your own studio and equipment and access to models.
 
skiking said:
Depends on whether the other people are going to offer an insight into their camera settings and why they have set up their lights and view the output. There are so many variables not disclosed, there are so many standards attending not disclosed.

At the end of the day DM needs to charge what he sees fit based on what his motives are i.e giveback or business (you have to admire his efforts in organising such an event) and what he thinks people will pay given what they are offered.

I find it bizarre that models don't turn up because they are inexperienced - I must be missing something here.

Just my views, not expecting everyone to agree ;-)
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Okay, this started out as a chance to give something back to others whilst my studio is being sat unused and also for a chance to network with other togs in the area. Equally it was a chance to show the study and to offer it to those that attended to rent it for future their use in the future, of which i have had enquiries.

This group meet can not be ran at cost, i attend but dont take any shots of the models, this about the others getting the most out of the event, so bearing this mind, i have costs of models, running costs and then something to cover my time for being on site, i dont make much as i plan to aim for different models that will charge more, but at the end of the event i dont wish to come home out of pocket.

I dont claim to be leading workshop where you will learn, what i hope is that we all work together to get a selection of shots, as we are all learning and this gives us an environment to do so. Or in comparison you could pay i think, £95 to attend a Lencarta Workshop where you would be working with one model But being educated by Garry Edwards ( good course to attend) so depending on what you want to get from this and what you want to pay.
 
leftcurl said:
it also depends on where else i would find someone with a fully kitted out studio within 10 minutes drive of my office that i am able to go along to with like minded people and share ideas and learn without feeling any pressure whatsoever. It's those elements to me which offer the best VFM :shrug:
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Thanks:clap:
 
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