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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7085654.stm

How on earth can these 2 lads serve 3.5 years for doing what they did to the poor bloke over several months is an utter joke. The Judge should ignore the legal side and focus on what actual crime has been committed, ignore what the book says in these cases and throw it at them. :boxer::bat:

Return of public flogging anyone ???
 
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He (the judge) said: "We think it was an error of principle to say that a discretionary sentence of detention for life should be imposed."
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an error of principle??!!

WTF is the matter with him.. if it were a matter of principle these little *******s would've been hung drawn and quartered!
 
They should have thrown away the key, scum like that do not deserve to be let out at all.:annoyed:
 
They should've been shot. :shake:

This just tells them that it's alright to "terroring" anyone.
 
Absolutely no excuse, they should not be on the streets.

I always thought prison wasn't just about rehabilitation, but to keep scum like this off the streets, because they pose a danger to the public.

These post a real threat to any other poor innocent men out there.
Theyre absolute scum and should be treated as such. No ifs or buts.
 
National Service - scumbags are cheaper than minesweepers
 
This country is full of yobs and lowlife. We have been on quite a few visits to other countries for holidays and family visits and except for a few have always felt a lot safer than I would be in the UK. My best experience was on our two visits to Japan, no yobs, no graffiti, very little crime, cattle class trains that put our first class trains to shame, I could go on and on!!. What really smacks us in the face is when, after enjoying the comforts and safety of other countries, you come down to earth with a bump on arrival in in either Heathrow or Gatwick and are immediately confronted with worn carpets, foul language, cold coffee served with a grumpy face, and when you finally get on your way home there is litter everywhere, I could go on and on and on !!
Rant over!.
 
I just can't find any words to express how disgusted I feel having read about these two guys, so the title of this thread is very apt.
 
uh oh, another 'hangings too good' thread. I think we should have a separate section :)

(Note, that I'm not saying i agree with the sentence because i certainly dont, just saying there seems to be a lot of these threads)
 
I can see where this has all gone pear shaped. They were charged with manslaughter which means the court accepted there was no intent to kill, therefore the life sentence could be argued to be excessive. Even so to reduce the sentence to 3.5 years in these appalling circumstances is disgusting!

They should have been charged with murder given this catalogue of torture and abuse, but thats the way it is too often these days, go for the easier offence to prove, they'll probably plead 'Guilty' anyway, and move on.

It's called 'streamlining the criminal justice system.' :suspect:
 
Shocking, they murdered that poor man after terrorising him for months, should be life for both of them.:shake:

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Unbelievable.
 
badgerbaiter said:
uh oh, another 'hangings too good' thread. I think we should have a separate section :)

(Note, that I'm not saying i agree with the sentence because i certainly dont, just saying there seems to be a lot of these threads)
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Maybe there are "a lot of these threads" because the (usually) silent majority in this country are getting fed up with the failings of the criminal justice system which allow people such as those reported here to receive minmal sentences.

I really can't see the point of your post unless you are being deliberately inflammatory.
 
definitely something wrong with a system which only gives those two scumbags 3 1/2 years :shake:
 
Hacker said:
Maybe there are "a lot of these threads" because the (usually) silent majority in this country are getting fed up with the failings of the criminal justice system which allow people such as those reported here to receive minmal sentences.

I really can't see the point of your post unless you are being deliberately inflammatory.
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:clap: nicely put hacker

dod said:
definitely something wrong with a system which only gives those two scumbags 3 1/2 years :shake:
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words fail me crimes against persons just seem to be getting more and more sick ( I really can't find the words) then there was the case of that poor woman that was pee'd on recently as she lay dying What is this so called civilisation deteriorating to? :shrug:
 
Hacker said:
Maybe there are "a lot of these threads" because the (usually) silent majority in this country are getting fed up with the failings of the criminal justice system which allow people such as those reported here to receive minmal sentences.

I really can't see the point of your post unless you are being deliberately inflammatory.
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i'm not being deliberately inflammatory, I'm just wondering what good these threads do apart from to wind people up into a frenzy.

IMHO those two deserve a stronger sentence for what they did even if you remove the fact the guy died. All that bullying and abuse deserves a stronger sentence on its own!

but whats the point in all the 'they should have been shot', 'they should have been hung drawn and quartered'.
Its 2007 not the dark ages!

If anyone is being inflammatory its the media who love these kind of stories and love winding up the public into a 'lets hang them' frenzy.
 
badgerbaiter said:
i'm not being deliberately inflammatory, I'm just wondering what good these threads do apart from to wind people up into a frenzy.

IMHO those two deserve a stronger sentence for what they did even if you remove the fact the guy died. All that bullying and abuse deserves a stronger sentence on its own!

but whats the point in all the 'they should have been shot', 'they should have been hung drawn and quartered'.
Its 2007 not the dark ages!

If anyone is being inflammatory its the media who love these kind of stories and love winding up the public into a 'lets hang them' frenzy.
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I think the point of such threads is that like any 'community' we all feel the need to discuss such subjects that are relevant to our daily lives away from the subject of the forum. If you were your local pub and such a topic came up in conversation, you wouldn't question that would you? You might argue with the guy shouting for public hanging that in this day and age alternative punishments are more acceptable, and perhaps even suggest a few.

My take on forums is that they are communitites, Marcel mans the bar, CT and Dod are 'on the door', Glo is the glamourous host, etc, the rest of us are the regulars that give it the atmosphere and spirit on which it thrives and and such I would say anything in here that I wouldnt say to someones face, and expect to be treated the same. It also means, that like you would when sat having an after work pint on a friday, topics will come up that really get our goats, and I dont see any problem in them being discussed - although avoiding politics, religion and in-laws is probably wise :lol: :lol:
 
We live in a country now that’s fast becoming lawless and our judicial system no longer has the ability protects the innocent. Unless us normal everyday folk stand up and be counted these instances will only become more frequent. Its time to make the sentence given fit the Crime that has been committed.
 
badgerbaiter said:
i'm not being deliberately inflammatory, I'm just wondering what good these threads do apart from to wind people up into a frenzy.
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing"

I think a little frenzy is justified and if bringing this sort of travesty of justice to peoples attention galvanises public opinion into acting against the incessant decay of our societies moral values it is a very valuable thing indeed.
 
Utterly deplorable. Those 2 are utterly disgusting human beings. What they did is bad enough, but added that they guy was mentally handicapped makes it even worse.

I'm a great believer in Karma, and hopefully it will be served on them when they are released.
 
Hmmm... just read this for the first time. I'm not normally a 'hang em' type chap, but there are some examples of any species that beg the question of whether the collective gene pool would be better without them in it

Were these any form of domestic animals that attacked our remaining flocks/herds/etc. in this way, we'd put them down for the sake of the others; in a wild environment I suspect they'd not fair well either

I'm just worried here that in a few short years we'll see headlines of another poor soul's demise at their hands and be asking ourselves why they were 'allowed' to do it all again
 
Perhaps the justice system needs to overhaul its definition of manslaughter?

In my mind if you are systematically beating somebody and then you hit them on the head with planks of wood can you honestly say you did not intend to murder them? What they did was pretty much pre-meditated as the abuse went on for a period of time. By throwing a seriously maimed man into a fast deep flowing river is attempted murder and those boys are not so backward not to have known it. And that judge Rix damn well knows it to. This is just a point of law he has proved because he was paid to do it. Refer to first sentence.

My point here is that if you kick or hit someones head with an object then it must be attempted murder. This is indeed a low day for justice. These boys will be out in half the time stated if they behave themselves, back on the streets and sending the message that they "got away with it"

And they did.

John.
 
I see what you mean there John.

The way I see it is

Murder : There is a clear pre-planned motive to kill. (Which can be hard to prove)
Manslaughter : To kill without intent, ie accidentally. Either in the course of another crime, or by negligence of some such (eg road accidents).

There doesnt seem to be a point in law that is defined for those who really don't realise that what theyre doing is very likely to kill a person. I suppose manslaughter does fit this bill, but quite often we see the CPS going for manslaughter as its easier to prove than murder, and thus sentences are often quite laughable.
 
Murder is "The killing of a human being by a human being with malice aforethought either expressed or implied."

Still a Common Law Offence - since time immemorial it's never been felt necessary to actually write down that it's not a good idea for dudes to go round killing each other in a civilised society

Pretty straightforward - you killed someone and you intended to do just that.

Manslaughter is "The unlawful killing of a hiuman being by a human being without malice aforethought"

A principle ingredient of Manslaughter is that the death has to arise from an unlawful act (to distinguish it from accidents).

A typical manslaughter situation is geezer throws punch at other geezer who falls, hits his head on the kerb and dies. No-one wold argue that there was an intent to kill, but the assault is unlawful, so Manslaughter would be dead right.

It's also a principle of English law that a person of sound mind is able to anticipate the likely consequences of their actions. Hitting a person repeatedly over the head with planks of wood would be highly likely to cause death in the view of any reasonable person and these two should have been charged with Murder.

I'm willing to bet given the ages of these two and the derisory sentence, that we'll be reading about their exploits again in the future and some other poor sod suffering at their hands.

Tough on crime my arse!
 
It's amazing, Gary Lineker's brother got 2.5 years for not paying tax on income made in Spain and illegally bringing money into this country. These ****ers get three years for terrorising a man for months and then brutally murdering him.

Where's the justice there?:shrug:
 
GALAXY66 said:
My best experience was on our two visits to Japan, no yobs, no graffiti
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Toronto has plenty of graffiti and is probably the safest city in the world. Just to point out that graffiti isn't something that the scum of England do. Toronto has graffiti designated areas and looks great.
 
inaneredstripe said:
i wonder if the little scumbags would have had the same sentence if they,d comited the offence to the judges relatives.?
may these scumbags , one day , get what they deserve
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There was a very well known judge who was pathetically lenient on burglars until they broke into his country pad and took a giant dump in the middle of his four poster bed.

Thereafter he was known as 'The Domino Judge' - only handed out fives and threes. :D
 
This does on the face of it seem to be amazingly lenient, but the point that seems to have been missed is that the period of imprisonment set by the judge is the minimum that they must serve before they can apply for parole.

The sentence is an Indeterminate Sentence of Detention for Public Protection (Criminal Justice Act 2003), and they will only be released when they can persuade the Parole Board that it is safe for them to be released. How easy or hard it will be for them to persuade the Parole Board of this remains to be seen, but given the nature of the offences I would think that they will be unlikely to see freedom for a long time beyond the minimum tariff.

In addition, when they are released they will be subject to a licence for at least 10 years, during which they are liable to be recalled to prison.
 
When is this country going to wake up and smell the coffee and start dishing out punishment that fits the crime. That deserves 15years of 12 hour days breaking rocks, not 3.5 years of table tennis, sky tv and 3 good meals a day.
 
Cedarapple said:
This does on the face of it seem to be amazingly lenient, but the point that seems to have been missed is that the period of imprisonment set by the judge is the minimum that they must serve before they can apply for parole.

The sentence is an Indeterminate Sentence of Detention for Public Protection (Criminal Justice Act 2003), and they will only be released when they can persuade the Parole Board that it is safe for them to be released. How easy or hard it will be for them to persuade the Parole Board of this remains to be seen, but given the nature of the offences I would think that they will be unlikely to see freedom for a long time beyond the minimum tariff.

In addition, when they are released they will be subject to a licence for at least 10 years, during which they are liable to be recalled to prison.
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Dont let facts get in the way of a good rant-a-thon!!! :)
 
Cedarapple said:
This does on the face of it seem to be amazingly lenient, but the point that seems to have been missed is that the period of imprisonment set by the judge is the minimum that they must serve before they can apply for parole.

The sentence is an Indeterminate Sentence of Detention for Public Protection (Criminal Justice Act 2003), and they will only be released when they can persuade the Parole Board that it is safe for them to be released. How easy or hard it will be for them to persuade the Parole Board of this remains to be seen, but given the nature of the offences I would think that they will be unlikely to see freedom for a long time beyond the minimum tariff.

In addition, when they are released they will be subject to a licence for at least 10 years, during which they are liable to be recalled to prison.
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That's because it is amazingly lenient when you compare it to the victim, what parole chances has he got? Given the choices I'm sure he would have taken the chance of parole in 10 years to the violent outcome of death by vile abuse which he has taken to the grave. Sorry I've no sympathy for this behavior and it's getting all the more common place in this country.
 
On the night of his death in May 2006, the boys were seen by neighbours beating [David Atherton] with planks of wood until he bled.
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And yet they did nothing to help the man. In my opinion this is what is wrong with this country today and the main reason why our society is becoming so 'lawless'.

Many people will shy away if they see a crime or injustice because they don't want to get involved. Criminals are so brazen because they have nothing to fear from society and the police are unconcerned/unable to deal with low level crime.
 
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