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I would doubt that there was any confusion about him being a soldier ... his appearance, the location and yes the T-shirt.
That having been said, people with such distorted views will happily kill anyone ... in an office, on a plane, in a bus, on a 'tube' ... even those who we would call 'of their own religion' - evil has no constraints.
 
This is all speculation, when it comes to motive, how and why the victim was chosen and so on. Maybe the truth will come out. At least the attackers survived, so regardless of how some people may feel about that, they can at least be questioned.

What is pretty obvious to me though is that the attackers were pretty poorly organised with regard to their weapons - one handgun between them, and a rusty old revolver at that, according to reports. One shot was fired, the gun blew back and injured the shooter, which indicates that either they were using undersized ammo (wrong ammo) or that the barrel wasn't clear.

And yet, this is being treated as a terrorist incident...
You'd think that if there was any kind of terrorist organisation behind it they would at least have a functioning gun each, and maybe some grenades, so that they could at least have a realistic crack at the police before their glorious martyrdom...

We keep hearing about home grown terrorists being trained to commit their acts of terror, but these two seem to me (based on just the above) to have been acting alone, with no support, no training and no equipment. Strange, but in a way, reassuring.
 
If they knew him to be a soldier, then it was premeditated, if they attacked for his tshirt, then that is a whole other story.

Home grown or not, they should both be killed as soon as possible.
 
Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God He made man.

Hmm, religious top trumps. Pretty sure we are getting close to lockdown now....
 
BBC News just reported Heathrow 2 runways closed and 1 plane evacuated ... hope this is an unrelated incident.
 
I read this thread last night, I find some of the views on here and on Facebook very disturbing, Yes it was a brutal crime that has no justification but you can not tar all Muslims with the same brush. Up popped on my Facebook feed yesterday from a supposed friend "If you follow Islam please unfriend me." What is that all about, whats that going to achieve?
 
BBC News just reported Heathrow 2 runways closed and 1 plane evacuated ... hope this is an unrelated incident.

Unrelated, and not a terror incident... Evacuation following emergency landing, engine on fire. No injuries
 
You are baying for blood. You have a lot more in common with those killers than you know.

How quaint of you to assume such, irrespective of race, religion or creed, if you MURDER my son, I will kill you somehow.

That is not baying for blood, that is my duty as a father.
 
Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God He made man.
Which demonstrates why using the bible to justify any action is silly. A quote justifying the complete opposite can almost always be found.

Does your quote trump mine? If so, can we ignore the 10 commandments and discount Moses as a liar, saying he made them up as other parts of the bible directly contradict him? (despite being an atheist, I had eight years of Roman Catholic religious education so have some familiarity with the contents of bible)

Or, put another way, bringing bible quotes into it is never going to achieve anything, which is what I attempted to demonstrate before.
 
How quaint of you to assume such, irrespective of race, religion or creed, if you MURDER my son, I will MURDER you somehow.

That is not baying for blood, that is my duty as a father.

I'm a father (and an ex service man) too, but I hope I would not do this. Nothing to do with duty. I don't want to be inflammatory, but I felt compelled to edit your comment. If this is not allowed I will edit.

Regards.
 
Sorry but anyone who states that they would not kill or want to kill someone who murdered their child is lying to themselves.

without wishing to start an argument, please don't tell me I'm lying to myself or presume things that simply aren't true. Would I kill in defence of my children - Yes of course. Would I wish execution if (heaven forbid) they were killed. No, I wouldn't.
 
Ok so what is the difference between killing and murdering someone, and which would you claim to be worse then.

Hopefully you never have to find out what you would do in that situation, hopefully none of us on this forum would have to live that scenario. I know from facts and experience of dealing with criminals though that the majority would either try to kill them or at least want them killed.
 
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