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Since when is Apple charging for their OS updates?
Windows 10 upgrade- avoid?
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Are you aware Microsoft is taking a more 'aggressive' stance on updates and your PC will update to Windows 10 if you do not take steps to prevent it.
Read; http://www.howtogeek.com/223068/what-you-need-to-know-about-windows-update-on-windows-10/
and : http://www.howtogeek.com/228551/how...-8-from-downloading-windows-10-automatically/
Do you people not read before replying?
Honestly I expected some maturity here.
Microsoft's approach to distributing W10 is dubious - even foisting it onto domain joined machines!
Telemetry - data collected about users, machines and applications with minimal disclosure as to what that data is. This feature is so important to Microsoft that they back ported it to Windows 7. It doesn't matter whether it's aggregated/anonymised/encrypted etc., it's still spying.
Finally, W10 installs software and updates over which the end user has no control. Yes, PC manufacturers and vendors may produce software that's buggy and exploitable but before W10 I had a choice about whether or not I installed. Now, even with the Pro version I don't, unless I join it a domain and set-up the relevant Group Policy Objects.
I really should not bother dignifying this with a response. I did say I didn't use it 95% of the time.
It's fortunate there is a viable alternative which is free (as in Freedom of Speech) that doesn't turn it's users into a product.
And FTR, I was an early adopter of Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1. I've not even got anything negative to say about that UI everyone loves to berate.
Honestly I expected some maturity here.
Microsoft's approach to distributing W10 is dubious - even foisting it onto domain joined machines!
Telemetry - data collected about users, machines and applications with minimal disclosure as to what that data is. This feature is so important to Microsoft that they back ported it to Windows 7. It doesn't matter whether it's aggregated/anonymised/encrypted etc., it's still spying.
Finally, W10 installs software and updates over which the end user has no control. Yes, PC manufacturers and vendors may produce software that's buggy and exploitable but before W10 I had a choice about whether or not I installed. Now, even with the Pro version I don't, unless I join it a domain and set-up the relevant Group Policy Objects.
I really should not bother dignifying this with a response. I did say I didn't use it 95% of the time.
It's fortunate there is a viable alternative which is free (as in Freedom of Speech) that doesn't turn it's users into a product.
And FTR, I was an early adopter of Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1. I've not even got anything negative to say about that UI everyone loves to berate.
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I upgraded my Asus netbook from Win7 on freebie but had to wind it back as it made netbook so slow it was painful even though I had put extra RAM in.
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I missed this earlier..
Run a domain and rely on windows updates. Where is your version/patch deployment control man? Get wsus installed as a minimum.
Don't blindly use the express config settings, turn off the "send data" options.
"W10 installs software and updates over which the end user has no control" - software such as?
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What was using the RAM?
Whether or not I run WSUS at work (I do) is not the point. It's a complete aside, but I'm responsible for patching operating systems and software in two data centres and a couple of offices and with the Windows Update strategy I've adoped, I've not personally seen a single W10 upgrade prompt. The key point is that Microsoft, by default, foists the Windows 10 Upgrade on domain joined machines as fellow Sysadmins have experienced.
I don't blindly use anything - my comments are more for people who don't work in IT who don't necessarily realise what W10 is doing in it's default configuration.
I have a Lenovo IdeaCentre running W10. I turned it on one day to find an entire suite of Lenovo utilities and applications had been installed - including update software which was at the time exploitable.
Said IdeaCentre also has an NVidia graphics card, for which I'd installed drivers but not the skunkware. Low and behold, the NVidia skunkware arrived on the machine which meant I changed video settings, I was seeing adverts for the latest games.
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Only issue I had with my old PC was sound drivers, I just bought a USB device, brilliant.
Actually faster than 7 on the same platform, a much better interface than 8. 8.1 was good, but 10 is so much better. Incredibly quick to install from a usb3 memory stick.
Actually faster than 7 on the same platform, a much better interface than 8. 8.1 was good, but 10 is so much better. Incredibly quick to install from a usb3 memory stick.
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I went from 7 - 10 went easy no problems at all and it seems less resource heavy pleased
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Had it for about an hour. No real lissue with windows 10 in general, but my ancient graphics card was not supported so had no choice but to roll it back.
Only other niggle that I didn't like was link in the menu to xbox stuff. Didn't have it long enough to look into it, but I would prefer to keep work and pleasure separate.
Only other niggle that I didn't like was link in the menu to xbox stuff. Didn't have it long enough to look into it, but I would prefer to keep work and pleasure separate.
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I don't know what you're doing but none of our domain machines have even hinted at wanting to download windows 10. I'd suggest you have a config issue or an open path to windows update externally.
Should the default settings on hotspots be tighter? Absolutely in my opinion, however here's a nice example of how the data ms collect is used:
http://www.geek.com/news/microsoft-says-edge-wont-bleed-your-battery-dry-like-chrome-1658827/
Its not all tinfoil worthy.
Again I'm not really sure how you can blame ms for installing 3rd party apps.
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In fact the tinfoil hat appears to be a rumour actually perpetrated by evil governments - or aliens - or both:
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...the-government-to-track-your-thoughts/262998/
So a huge faraday cage may be the only way to go (as in "Enemy of the State")
Unless THAT is also a government/alien conspiracy - OMG what is happening to me?
I blame it all on Windows 10
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I doubt very much that the OP knows enough about Windows 10 to hate anything about it. I believe the OP's real issue is change he wants to be wrapped in that comfort blanket that is the familiar Windows 7. He almost certainly has done things very methodically for many years and now big bad Microsoft want to change his time honed computing routine. For many people even the thought of learning, unlearning and relearning fills them with dread. The OP probably gets a cold sweat every time he sees that Windows icon in his notification tray. So guys take it easy with him.
And you allowed Lenovo and Nvidia bloatware to self install software on your computer !! Staggering
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Yes. Or, the OP is well aware that if there is a small chance of something wrong, it will happen to him. And then he'll need the help of one of those nerdy people. Whereas currently, the PC is running fine.
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I should probably quantify this a bit more for clarity. I'm actually an Apple man. I like their equipment, have done since ever, and even more so when they went to the Intel platform. However since I recently changed my job, I mainly work from my home office. They also have a BYOD policy and their corporate services are device agnostic. Great, got my Mac configured no problem during the induction and setup easily with corporate exchange, amazon workspaces, sharepoint, atlassian suite, VPN, skype, webex, gtm you name it.
However when getting into it, and using it to the full and every day some holes started to fall in the integration. Little things like copy and past not working well, corporate email signatures not working well. Not any single big thing but little things that sometimes made it cumbersome and more difficult.
As such I dusted off my Microsoft Surface Pro 3; cleaned it up, ran all the latest updates, installed my copy of Office 365 Pro Plus 2016 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Project, Visio, Outlook) and Adobe CC, plus some of my other software like 1password, synched my browsers, updated ESET.
And wow the integration is actually much more Mac like that the Mac currently is. It works so well together. And there was my dream that came through, can use my Mac in a corporate environment, but you know what. I actually think Windows 10 is better, much smoother and easier to use.
Couple of things I still don't like; lack of unified inbox in Outlook (although no bad thing as I should be focussed on the corporate email), and that the Windows Skype client has ads! I mean seriously? Advertising in Skype. But that is it. One happy camper from someone who has got choice on what they use.
And neither have ours, but that's as a result of avoiding certain patches and rolling a couple of GPOs, which was wise given the fracas where I used to work. I was called in on a foreigner when they were starved of Internet bandwidth. Some of the domain joined machines simultaneously downloading the W10 update.
I think we can just agree to disagree.
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I'm inclined to agree, but only to a point. Practical points that may affect the OPs decision:
My SO lost a good chunk of work when her W10 laptop was left on for an hour and BSODed. The BSOD was due to a tooth driver issue.
We have another W10 upgraded laptop at home using a W8 Wireless chipset driver as there's no W10 equivalent. It requires a special tickle every every time it's turned on to make it join the Wi-Fi network. The two other W10 devices are fine.
Baiting much? For clarity, W10 runs roughshod over my desktop machine and periodically installs 3rd party software, whether I like it or not.
There's also no way of properly disabling Cortana, at least not without being very hacky.
Microsoft's policies concerning the data collected and their use of the data have sections which are way to vague for my liking.
In summary, if a PC user either:
(a) values privacy
(b) registers any objection to being "marketed"
then my advice is to steer clear. Use a free (as in Freedom of Speech) OS instead.
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For those that are interested, here's a fairly objective sounding analysis of W10, the extra security it brings and the implications it has on privacy:
http://www.welivesecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/windows-10-security-privacy.pdf
There are a few other legitimate papers around (and lots of noise)
You can selectively quote from any of them to support any type of argument, I just think it's important that people do take time to keep themselves informed.
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If you really are "responsible for patching operating systems and software in two data centres and a couple of offices" you would have known before installing windows 10 on the laptops that there were device driver issues. From what you are saying and the way you are saying it leads me leads me to believing that you do not know about the Windows 10 compatibility checker. If I am correct that is very scary for someone with your responsibilities.
if you aint done itI ran W10 Update Assistant before hand on the SO's laptop - the BT driver issue is not a compatibility problem but an actual bug in the driver W10 uses.
The other laptop I didn't have a hand in - I just got to try and resolve the fallout (WiFi wasn't working at all when I was asked to fix it)
Check the assumptions you're making!
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