Windows 10 sucks donkey's ass

sounds more like a router issue. a router wont be specific to an OS as it literally just provides a network.

you could try disabling IPv6 on Windows, some older routers dont play nice with IPv6 requests.

When you say router is a router or a modem? Have you got it connected via usb or Ethernet?

As Neil says, if it is a router connected via Ethernet it will just route the packages, unless explicitly configured it will be operating system agnostic.

As I said, I have fibre. A cable from the BT box goes to the router (via rj45 connection to Netgear WNR1000v3) which then connects to the pc via rj45. In windows 8.1pro, from which I'm typing, everything seems to work. In w10, I get this message: "Ethernet" invalid IP configuration (or something similar).
 
I updated a couple of laptops yesterday and worked on a third. First was a Toshiba with an i3 processor and Intel Graphics which had been supplied with Win 8.1. This was a breeze to update via the update icon and everything currently works properly except for the new browser, which has issues and limitations. The second laptop was a low spec HP Netbook which had startling poor performance using Windows 7 Starter, despite the RAM being upgraded to the maximum possible of 2 Gig. To say that I had the runaround trying to update this machine would be the understatement of the year. Moving to Win 10 via the update manager was impossible, despite a clean install of Win 7 followed by about a million updates. I could never get to the point where the update icon appeared. Eventually I did suceed in updating by using the Microsoft Media Creation Tool on a USB stick. Has the upgrade helped with performance? Sadly the answer is no, there is little point upgrading anything with an Intel Atom or perhaps even such as a Celeron processor. The third laptop is a 64 Bit AMD with Radeon Graphics. I couldn't see the upgrade icon on this either until I saw online that it sometimes appears in the taskbar menu but switched off by default as in my case, really not very useful. I will wait much longer to upgrade this and my Desktop as I use both these for photo editing.

So, ease of upgrading is a lottery, likely the newer the computer, the simpler it is. There seems to be a large number of Win 7 machines that have corrupted updates that stop the normal upgrade path, using Windows Update Manager, dead in it's tracks. Windows 10 is better than Windows 8.1, but then again, virtually anything would be better than the 8.1 slow motion train crash. My impession of Windows 10, potentially it's a good operating system but clearly very unfinished at the moment. The icons, such as battery charge, wireless connection are poor compared to those on Windows 7. The calculator looks to have been designed by a YTS student, best ditched and replaced with the old one. The new browser has issues with navigation. On some pages the keyboard up and down arrows work just fine. Go to another page on the same site and they stop working partway down the page until the page is clicked. Click on a new link to open in a new page, the browser stays on the old page, and quite often the new tab did not successfully load and gives an error message. I use tabs a lot and if I tell the computer to open a link in a new tab, why on earth would I not want to go straight to it. Currently, no Ad Blocker works with Edge either. Best to install Firefox and Ad Blocker Plus which both work perfectly in Windows 10.

Updates will always break some computers leaving them inoperable or impaired. The requirement for compulsory updates is a serious stategic error by Microsoft that will have to be amended at some point in the face of reality. It is worth updating a non critical PC just to gain an understanding of the new system. Those with only one PC running Win 7 quite happily would, in my view, be far better to wait some time yet.
 
As I said, I have fibre. A cable from the BT box goes to the router (via rj45 connection to Netgear WNR1000v3) which then connects to the pc via rj45. In windows 8.1pro, from which I'm typing, everything seems to work. In w10, I get this message: "Ethernet" invalid IP configuration (or something similar).
do you use static or auto network details?
 
re corrupt updates, have you tried clearing the c:\windows\softrware distribution\download folder then:

Run Command Prompt utility in Administrator mode and type: wuauclt.exe/updatenow.

e: Windows Edge browser is purposefully limited on plugins. Do all version come with IE11 also? I know pro does.
 
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As I said, I have fibre. A cable from the BT box goes to the router (via rj45 connection to Netgear WNR1000v3) which then connects to the pc via rj45. In windows 8.1pro, from which I'm typing, everything seems to work. In w10, I get this message: "Ethernet" invalid IP configuration (or something similar).
Hmm that is starting to sound like a driver problem. I would try and download the latest drivers and install them.
 
Open up a cmd prompt and type ipconfig and do you get details?

if DHCP is working on the router and pc you should get similar to below

IP 192.168.1.121
Subnet mask 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway 192.168.1.1

If however you get IP address starting 169 or other then DHCP might not be working and the PC has made up a temp but none functional address.
 
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I opened cmd prompt as administrator and tried a few things ipconfig / renew etc (info I got from a techi website). In windows 8.1pro I get all the details, in w10 the router doesn't exist.
 
The router doesn't have drivers - just a firmware update and I've done that.

i think he meant the computer network card.

I opened cmd prompt as administrator and tried a few things ipconfig / renew etc (info I got from a techi website). In windows 8.1pro I get all the details, in w10 the router doesn't exist.

you saying you dont get a "default gateway" in W10?
 
I opened cmd prompt as administrator and tried a few things ipconfig / renew etc (info I got from a techi website). In windows 8.1pro I get all the details, in w10 the router doesn't exist.

Did you get any settings at all with just IPCONFIG?

If you didn't it does basically indicate the network card is not working and then it wont appear in those IPCONFIG settings.
It would be good if you can post up a pic of the results of the window with the command "IPCONFIG /ALL"
 
The router doesn't have drivers - just a firmware update and I've done that.
Naturally I wasn't talking about the router driver but your network car driver in Windows 10. There could be a chance that the wrong one has been installed. Go to Intel or Realtek or whoever and manually install the latest driver.
 
Did you get any settings at all with just IPCONFIG?

If you didn't it does basically indicate the network card is not working and then it wont appear in those IPCONFIG settings.
It would be good if you can post up a pic of the results of the window with the command "IPCONFIG /ALL"
Exactly hence I suggested it may be a driver issue.
 
Not much help but I keep an old USB wireless dongle around for this kind of issue.
Any network card wobbles plug in and get online and sort it out.
 
Thanks for all the ideas / suggestions - I don't want to put w10 back on (it will be the 4th time!!!).

Drivers - I downloaded all the relevant w10 certified files - none of them install! in w8 they not for this system! in w10 they come up either as corrupt or just don't install.
 
Thanks for all the ideas / suggestions - I don't want to put w10 back on (it will be the 4th time!!!).

Drivers - I downloaded all the relevant w10 certified files - none of them install! in w8 they not for this system! in w10 they come up either as corrupt or just don't install.
Well that was a waste of our time then ;)
 
Well that was a waste of our time then ;)
Sorry you feel I wasted your time - this thread was about 'issues' with w10. I posted my issues. I built my computer component by component. On the whole, it works - I don't think w10 is ready for public release, my opinion.

General Joe won't know jack about cmd or any other issues - people want to get an update, install it and run. Not face issues with drivers / compatibility etc etc. Again, my opinion.
 
@dkh you are right in most there, thing is OS's have become more complex and generally people have less IT knowledge to fix them.

The honest answer is there are places out there to get this sorted if you want. many PC shops or PC World drop in Centre etc.

Thing is folk don't want to pay for this kind of expert assist.
Personally I would just seek a local expert and just pay to have it resolved.
 
@dkh you are right in most there, thing is OS's have become more complex and generally people have less IT knowledge to fix them.

The honest answer is there are places out there to get this sorted if you want. many PC shops or PC World drop in Centre etc.

Thing is folk don't want to pay for this kind of expert assist.
Personally I would just seek a local expert and just pay to have it resolved.

Or stick with w8 until the bugs etc are ironed out in w10 (or companies such as motherboard suppliers who need stable, working drivers to support w10).
 
Or stick with w8 until the bugs etc are ironed out in w10 (or companies such as motherboard suppliers who need stable, working drivers to support w10).

Yes possibly, I class myself as an IT expert working in the sector for over 25 years.

I am on Windows 7 in my house as is my wife :-)
 
Sorry you feel I wasted your time - this thread was about 'issues' with w10. I posted my issues. I built my computer component by component. On the whole, it works - I don't think w10 is ready for public release, my opinion.

General Joe won't know jack about cmd or any other issues - people want to get an update, install it and run. Not face issues with drivers / compatibility etc etc. Again, my opinion.
If you look about you'll see that these kind of issues have occurred on windows 7 and 8 etc. they seem to be inherent to a lot of windows machines and exactly a differentiator compared to the realistic competition.

The experience you get from a current Surface Pro with its reference architecture or an Dell XPS or Lenovo Thinkpad range will be very different. When you build yourself I would argue to be expected to have to roll the optimum configuration of drivers together.
 
Yes possibly, I class myself as an IT expert working in the sector for over 25 years.

I am on Windows 7 in my house as is my wife :)

Also to be fair though Microsoft doesn't have the best track record does it?
 
There will come a time when all the complaints and suffering of you early adopter folk, will move Microsoft to fix the backlog of problems.
That is the way it happened in the past. I am sure it will be that way this time.
I am just waiting for that day to come.
But don't stop trying.
It will shorten the wait for us all.
 
If your PC is an "own build" then yes to be fair you need to factor that in.
I would say if people are building there own PC's then they should have good basic IT trouble shooting and config experience as a minimum.
 
Which is a good point, do any of you with issues actually raise the ticket through the feedback application or just hope that magically someone guesses you have an issue?

I did use it during the tech preview stage and what I reported did get fixed. For one of them I even had some interaction and request for clarification come through.

I'm ok now with no issues other than the Intel HD graphics driver application missing the configuration item for standard timing which was there in the previous session. But again a ticket logged with Intel to fix that.
 
Its also worth noting here that the issue probably lies with the NVIDIA driver not Microsoft.
So as above, get in touch with them, submit an issue.

Microsoft let companies have early releases of there code to develop drivers but its up to those companies to release good drivers not Microsoft.
 
@dkh you are right in most there, thing is OS's have become more complex and generally people have less IT knowledge to fix them.
dunno about that in this case, device manager is still there so nothing has really changed in that respect.
Drivers - I downloaded all the relevant w10 certified files - none of them install! in w8 they not for this system! in w10 they come up either as corrupt or just don't install.
what network card is it?
 
There will come a time when all the complaints and suffering of you early adopter folk, will move Microsoft to fix the backlog of problems.
That is the way it happened in the past. I am sure it will be that way this time.
I am just waiting for that day to come.
But don't stop trying.
It will shorten the wait for us all.

What a lovely post that exactly sums up my thinking!
 
My win 8.1 works just fine,so i don,t see any real reason to update for quite a long time,it just works.:):banana:
 
Usually in my community early adopters are usually very savvy in IT and like the latest stuff and also quite like solving issues or folk that just keep pressing the update button until it goes boom.
 
thats what beta and tech previews are for.
That's what they should be for but when you get a company that sets an over-ambitious deadline and insists on sticking to it then you get the camel that is Windows 10.
 
hate win 10 destroyed my laptop lost so many images
but on brighter note made me buy a mac and boy im glad i did!!!!
 
hate win 10 destroyed my laptop lost so many images
but on brighter note made me buy a mac and boy im glad i did!!!!

Why blame windows for your lack of a decent backup strategy? Unless you've implemented something proper then you will suffer the exact same problem with your mac.
 
Why blame windows for your lack of a decent backup strategy? Unless you've implemented something proper then you will suffer the exact same problem with your mac.

oooooo handbags!!
luckily i did have a bit of back up strategy but still lost alot (so not the best strategy lol)
windows 10 does suck big style there no denying it so did 8 and yes i should of backed up better and from now on will
btw was just giving my 2p worth i agree is is utter s***
 
oooooo handbags!!
luckily i did have a bit of back up strategy but still lost alot (so not the best strategy lol)
windows 10 does suck big style there no denying it so did 8 and yes i should of backed up better and from now on will
btw was just giving my 2p worth i agree is is utter s***
Yes there is denying it, come on drama queen. Surely you can imagine it works for many millions ;) I like my Mac and OS X like anyone else, however to me this upgrade has been a very apple like experience. It was waiting for me to activate on the day of launch and about half an hour later it was upgraded perfectly fine. And before I upgraded I made a snapshot of my hard drive just as an insurance in case something went wrong. Just like I would do on my Mac as well.

Data loss is not right, not at all, I'm a little curious what actually happened and caused loss of photos. Nothing in the deployment manifest goes anywhere near that area on your hard drive. Besides just restore your backup image and you are back in ten minutes right ;)
 
It was a critical error that would not clear start menu and cortina would not launch could not change users after 3 days of trying had to completely reset to factory settings but for the 2 weeks it worked was actually really good much better than 8 but the big crash finished it for me
Oh I'm only jesting ;)
Tbh fancied a Mac for a while so just helped me decide
I'm sure for millions it's running sweet guess I was unlucky but as said serves me right should have backed up properly :(
 
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