Windows 10 sucks donkey's ass

Azaboppa said:
I used windows for a LOT of years and constantly became annoyed with it before making the change to Mac and IOS, big price increase but in my opinion well worth it and the aftercare is second to none.
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And funnily I've gone the other way after decades on the Mac :) but yes Apple aftercare can't be beaten. I used to love it when they had the pro programme and you can walk into any store and you'll be next to be seen.
 
Azaboppa said:
I used windows for a LOT of years and constantly became annoyed with it before making the change to Mac and IOS, big price increase but in my opinion well worth it and the aftercare is second to none.
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Crap hardware though.
 
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And a double bingo, thank you for proving my point not only once but twice from both sides. Brilliant. Thank you very much.​
 
Another one stopping on 7 for as long as possible,have put 10 on one of our laptops and have loads of issues with it,Norton IS reports your trial version has expired nearly every time it's turned on,it's a full 5 machine licence.Will be rolling back to 8.1 on this one all others are on 7.
 
Guys maybe a silly question but how can you revert back to whatever you were on before? someone please tell be before this laptop gets fly kicked out the window
 
Pookeyhead said:
How's having absolutely no control over updates progress?
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I imagine they've done it because too many people turn updates off and therefore never get any of the security patches, meanwhile, on the apple side of the fence, they've somehow made the fact they don't plug gaping security holes into a positive.
 
Pookeyhead said:
No assumptions Neil. You can only defer an update install on Win 10, not chose not to install it.
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Pookeyhead said:
Here's the windows 10 update screen

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Where on yours does it allow you to choose what updates to install or not, because this was the main reason I put my Win 8 back ups back on and left 10 alone. Updates are automatic. You can defer the updates, or even cancel the update service completely in the registry if you know what you're doing, but that's just as bad in many ways.
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well you are assuming that because 8 picked the wrong driver that 10 will too, that's an assumption.

i've not had a single driver deployed from WU. i updated all of mine from the manufacturer, maybe that has something to do with it. but forced drivers? no not really, certainly not in the full release in my experience of about 5 installs so far with more to come.

stumac said:
Guys maybe a silly question but how can you revert back to whatever you were on before? someone please tell be before this laptop gets fly kicked out the window
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its in the restore options somewhere.

e: type "reset" into the search bar and select "reset this PC" or go to Settings then Recovery.
 
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Pookeyhead said:
Crap hardware though.
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All intel based like a windows PC so hardware between the two are pretty much the same, cheap £200/£300 PC's don't last 5 mins and there is literally nowhere that will fix/replace a windows PC when its as little as a day out of warranty.
 
Azaboppa said:
All intel based like a windows PC so hardware between the two are pretty much the same, cheap £200/£300 PC's don't last 5 mins and there is literally nowhere that will fix/replace a windows PC when its as little as a day out of warranty.
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you cant compare £300 and £1000+ machines. full stop.

and im sure plenty of places will repair a laptop out of warranty. or do you mean FOC, as that depends very much what support you pay for or not on both platforms.
 
The reason I compared the two prices is let's say we're talking laptop, average price for a laptop is around £300 possible a little more/less depending on what you're after whereas a MacBook will be circa £1000, I'm under no illusion that apple charges a fortune for their equipment and I'm not about to get into a Mac/windows war over this, my initial reply on this thread indicated that I was a windows user for many years so by no means a hardcore die hard Mac head, my opinion if you like is that after using windows for years i suffered many a setback and to be quite honest since moving over to Mac The whole editing/software/customer support/compatibility/ has been a much better experience. Windows and Mac pc's are both Intel based therefore feature a lot of the same hardware so to say one has 'crap' hardware is just like saying the other has too but at least the support you'll receive from Apple will be second to none.
 
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im just saying there is no point comparing a 300 quid machine to one much more expensive. im not interested in saying one platform is better than the other, like you say they're all the same hardware these days.

feel free to compare my £1300 dell precision to a macbook though, much more of an even contest :P

oh and if you pay for dell support (same as anyone should with a mac and applecare) then the support is exceptional.
 
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Azaboppa said:
The reason I compared the two prices is let's say we're talking laptop, average price for a laptop is around £300 possible a little more/less depending on what you're after whereas a MacBook will be circa £1000, I'm under no illusion that apple charges a fortune for their equipment and I'm not about to get into a Mac/windows war over this, my initial reply on this thread indicated that I was a windows user for many years so by no means a hardcore die hard Mac head, my opinion if you like is that after using windows for years i suffered many a setback and to be quite honest since moving over to Mac The whole editing/software/customer support/compatibility/ has been a much better experience. Windows and Mac pc's are both Intel based therefore feature a lot of the same hardware so to say one has 'crap' hardware is just like saying the other has too but at least the support you'll receive from Apple will be second to none.
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When I switched from Apple I switched back to a £1100 PC laptop comparison. Perhaps that is why when I compare apples with apples I have a similar experience. My previous Dells and Sony laptops have also always been above the £1000 mark.

When comparing like for like I've never seen a material cost difference.
 
With laptops you really need to compare at similar pricepoints. I suppose when you go more granular you then need to compare wattage and thermal design power profiles. They all fit within a few different flavours.
Dell Pro Support is awesome. Apples is great that you can walk into a local shop and have a word though.
 
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What's Windows 10 or Windows 7 for that matter.
I'm still working on XP in my current Contract Role :-)

Doing security patches
 
Its all well and good until you have an issue which needs Microsofts intevention! No support for you! ;-)
 
rich_ said:
Its all well and good until you have an issue which needs Microsofts intevention! No support for you! ;-)
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The company I work for is having/paying a 3rd party to develop XP patches for the next 18months and then the Domain is being phased out.
Another Domain is being build which will got straight to Windows 8/10 its still on the drawing board.
 
Apple's support isn't necessarily always that great though. Had an ipad where the screen broken when it was in a cupboard in its official case with nothing on too of it etc. Heard lots of stories of cracked screens due to overheating but apple didn't want to know even though in warranty. They just wanted the best part of the price of a new one to fix it!
 
mike_6480 said:
Apple's support isn't necessarily always that great though. Had an ipad where the screen broken when it was in a cupboard in its official case with nothing on too of it etc. Heard lots of stories of cracked screens due to overheating but apple didn't want to know even though in warranty. They just wanted the best part of the price of a new one to fix it!
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Claim it on your home insurance as an accidental repair ;) a broken screen, water ingest etc is really hard to proof under a warranty claim. I'd class that as accidental damage.
 
Azaboppa said:
All intel based like a windows PC so hardware between the two are pretty much the same, cheap £200/£300 PC's don't last 5 mins and there is literally nowhere that will fix/replace a windows PC when its as little as a day out of warranty.
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Yeah.. CHEAP PCs... sure. The thing is though, even very high end Macs are conservatively clocked, and their range of GPUs is archaic unless you go for a Quadro or Fire option. If you just want a normal GPU, their terrible. RAM speeds in Macs are also rather pedestrian, as is PCIE management. Too expensive, and too slow. Of course that's just my opinion. If you're more interested in being cool than being fast, sure, knock yourself out. Thing is though, I don't see how buying a machine identical to everyone else's is cool.

Same processors etc is one thing, but motherboards in Macs are mainly crappy Foxconn derived stuff. Nothing can touch a decent high end PC board for reliability, and expandability... nothing. A high end Asus Rampage board is a thing of beauty... so well built, and so feature rich is beggars belief.

There are loads of suppliers that will offer superb after sales service for PCs. Scan Systems spring to mind immediately. You're suggesting that no one will repair a PC once it's out of warranty, which is patently nonsense :)
 
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rich_ said:
Its all well and good until you have an issue which needs Microsofts intevention! No support for you! ;-)
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Lol. I have a support contract wi Microsoft, can make 10 detailed support calls with full Microsoft technical intervention, handy with a couple of customers we have.
 
rich_ said:
With laptops you really need to compare at similar pricepoints. I suppose when you go more granular you then need to compare wattage and thermal design power profiles. They all fit within a few different flavours.
Dell Pro Support is awesome. Apples is great that you can walk into a local shop and have a word though.
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Usual comparison is dell XPS 15 vs MacBook Pro 15. Dell wins on weight and thinness, otherwise it's a draw on spec, dell wins on price and 3 years support.
 
Pookeyhead said:
Yeah.. CHEAP PCs... sure. The thing is though, even very high end Macs are conservatively clocked, and their range of GPUs is archaic unless you go for a Quadro or Fire option. If you just want a normal GPU, their terrible. RAM speeds in Macs are also rather pedestrian, as is PCIE management. Too expensive, and too slow. Of course that's just my opinion. If you're more interested in being cool than being fast, sure, knock yourself out. Thing is though, I don't see how buying a machine identical to everyone else's is cool.

Same processors etc is one thing, but motherboards in Macs are mainly crappy Foxconn derived stuff. Nothing can touch a decent high end PC board for reliability, and expandability... nothing. A high end Asus Rampage board is a thing of beauty... so well built, and so feature rich is beggars belief.

There are loads of suppliers that will offer superb after sales service for PCs. Scan Systems spring to mind immediately. You're suggesting that no one will repair a PC once it's out of warranty, which is patently nonsense :)
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Funny how when you open up servers from all the main manufacturers you find that most are Foxconn derived/manufactured as well. It doesn't mean it has to be rubbish.
 
neil_g said:
Even the might of the US Navy still run XP. They pay MS billions (?) of dollars for support and patches though :D
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And a lot of the UK government in some surprising corners as well.
 
Many banks still use XP in their ATMs. No idea what their support arrangement is.
 
Byker28i said:
Nt 4. Rock solid for it's use,low requirements
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The main issue I've had with it is the hardware failing and not being able to easily find replacement hardware that has drivers.

Likewise we've got to the same situation with XP. As Neil says above, it is running a secure lan, can be risk managed from external influences. However getting compatible hardware for physical failures is getting harder and harder. Likewise for laptops that are compatible with XP.
 
dejongj said:
The main issue I've had with it is the hardware failing and not being able to easily find replacement hardware that has drivers.
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At my last company we had the stores system (linvar) running windows 3.1 with a pathworks networking startup in the autoexec.bat, 10Mb 3 com BNC network cards over thinwire to cat 5 convertors, all because the interface cards were ISA and the programme ran under Dos. We had a stock of old dell Optiplex machines. Worse case was finding the hard drives as it wouldn't support over 30Gb
 
I've tried installing windows 10 3 times. Reason: I've got a Netgear router as my internet connection (fibre). Windows 10 doesn't recognise the router so no internet. It point blank says I have no connection even though the router is connected via a cable.

I've read and installed all the intel / motherboard patches / firmware etc which is why I tried 3 times.

Netgear says the router is w10 compatible, w10 says my computer and all added hardware/software is compatible?

Through this exercise, I've also found not to trust easus backup (I'm lucky to have a backup done back in March '15 through acronis true image). I downloaded and created a system backup through easus in July and created a bootable usb - unfortunately, because the backup is on an external drive the easus software can't see it! I copied it to a local drive and ran the easus diagnostics which says the copy is fine but when I try to access it via the boot procedure, it says the backup is corrupt!

I'm sticking with 8.1 and ignoring progress at least til 2016.
 
When you say router is a router or a modem? Have you got it connected via usb or Ethernet?

As Neil says, if it is a router connected via Ethernet it will just route the packages, unless explicitly configured it will be operating system agnostic.
 
Keith W said:
I keep coming back to read this thread and I am always disappointed

Where is my donkey porn??
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oh you've just reminded me of a horrible memory. back in the early internet days in my family home, where we all shared the one computer with the one email address account in outlook on dial up, a large file was sent by one of my brothers friends not knowing it was a family email address (I assume?!?), I think it took several hours to download because it had a video attached. it was of someone doing terrible things to a donkey/horse - which I will never be able to unsee. I have no idea who this friend was, or if my parents ended up seeing it!
 
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