Windows 10 date/time and sound

JonathanRyan · 2 Apr 2018

So I've set my iMac up with Bootcamp and Windows 10 and very nice it is too (is it heresy to say I actually like Edge?)

Anyway, I have 2 problems:

1. Date/time. Every time I boot to PC it sets the date/time to GMT - so an hour early. To fix it I have to turn off syncing and turn back on. Once I set it to "set time manually" and entered the right time. Next time I booted it was GMT again. I have it set to set date/time automatically ON, set time zone automatically OFF (I have manually selected London), adjust for daylight savings time ON. What am I doing wrong?

2. Sound doesn't work. This is probably a Bootcamp thing. I've run troubleshooting a few times, downloaded and run Brigadier, I have SP/DIF selected and when I play a YT video I can see the little level thing pulse up and down but no sound

Any ideas?

ETA: just tried wire headphones. Machine detects headphones and swaps to them but still no sound.

onomatopoeia · 2 Apr 2018

JonathanRyan said:
I have it set to set date/time automatically ON, set time zone automatically OFF (I have manually selected London), adjust for daylight savings time ON. What am I doing wrong?

The fact your hardware is Mac should be irrelevant here, with automatic setting Windows gets the date and time over the Internet using NTP.

Type "Control panel" into the search box, start that and click on "Date and Time". The first tab should give you a picture of a clock with hopefully the right time, then state the timezone as

(UTC+00:00) Dublin, Edinburgh, Lisbon, London

and tell you that Daylight savings time will end on 28 Oct. Does it?

The third tab "Internet time" should say the computer is set to automatically synchronise with time.windows.com. Does it?

JonathanRyan · 2 Apr 2018

onomatopoeia said:
The first tab should give you a picture of a clock with hopefully the right time, then state the timezone as

(UTC+00:00) Dublin, Edinburgh, Lisbon, London

and tell you that Daylight savings time will end on 28 Oct. Does it?

Yes

onomatopoeia said:
The third tab "Internet time" should say the computer is set to automatically synchronise with time.windows.com. Does it?

Yes

ancient_mariner · 2 Apr 2018

Re sound, are there multiple output devices available? I've had problems like that with Linux where selecting the correct device for audio output was necessary in some distros. Never had a problem with windows though.

JonathanRyan · 2 Apr 2018

ancient_mariner said:
Re sound, are there multiple output devices available? I've had problems like that with Linux where selecting the correct device for audio output was necessary in some distros. Never had a problem with windows though.

I just figured out screen shots

onomatopoeia · 2 Apr 2018

JonathanRyan said:
Yes

Yes

In that case yours is configured exactly the same as mine, so I don't know, sorry.

JonathanRyan · 2 Apr 2018

onomatopoeia said:
In that case yours is configured exactly the same as mine, so I don't know, sorry.

Thanks - yeah it looks like I have everything configured right - that's why I'm baffled

ancient_mariner · 2 Apr 2018

onomatopoeia said:
In that case yours is configured exactly the same as mine, so I don't know, sorry.

Agreed.

JonathanRyan · 2 Apr 2018

OK. This is starting to freak me out.

Just rebooted into OSX. The time was an hour ahead - i.e. 6pm when BST is 5pm and GMT/UTC is 4pm. Since my Suunto watch was plugged into my Mac it also shifted to 6pm.

It's only a matter of time until I end up in the wrong place at the right time......

ETA: ah, marvellous. It appears that Macs hold their time as UTC + an offset. PCs hold their time as local time. Somewhere, somehow they appear to be trading information. So Windows has the time as 17:00. I reboot to OS X and it goes "that's 17:00 UTC so I need to add 1 hour for current time". As with everything in the PC world it appears the only solution is to hack the registry.

neil_g · 2 Apr 2018

Hardly. Its a bug in boot camps drivers iirc.

Incidentally you could try changing the w32tm source to an external location such as ntp.pool.org that should override any hardware clocks.

ancient_mariner · 2 Apr 2018

JonathanRyan said:
OK. This is starting to freak me out.

Just rebooted into OSX. The time was an hour ahead - i.e. 6pm when BST is 5pm and GMT/UTC is 4pm. Since my Suunto watch was plugged into my Mac it also shifted to 6pm.

It's only a matter of time until I end up in the wrong place at the right time......

ETA: ah, marvellous. It appears that Macs hold their time as UTC + an offset. PCs hold their time as local time. Somewhere, somehow they appear to be trading information. So Windows has the time as 17:00. I reboot to OS X and it goes "that's 17:00 UTC so I need to add 1 hour for current time". As with everything in the PC world it appears the only solution is to hack the registry.

You can't blame windows for a hardware/firmware fault.

JonathanRyan · 3 Apr 2018

neil_g said:
Hardly. Its a bug in boot camps drivers iirc.

Thanks - it was a thread on Reddit that told me the above. Since no angry mob formed to shout them down I assumed it was correct

As a guess, I'd say this probably affects the UK only since if it were a worldwide issue the internet would be angrier about it.

Incidentally you could try changing the w32tm source to an external location such as ntp.pool.org that should override any hardware clocks.

I'm not sure what that means. Does that basically stop it syncing with a time server?

ancient_mariner said:
You can't blame windows for a hardware/firmware fault.

I don't think I ever did blame Windows. Win10 and OSX do things differently (or so I thought). I really don't care whose fault it is.

Incidentally, if they could stop it looking like an X-Box and basically running as an advert platform then Win10 might just be the best version of Windows I've used. OS X has been standing still for too long.

Anybody know anything about the sound issue? Everything I read says to "try" new Bootcamp drivers - which essentially means reinstalling *everything*.

Mikesphotaes · 3 Apr 2018

I think I would be checking if the date's right.

chuckles · 3 Apr 2018

You mean we're actually in Summer time? Who'd have thought it?

Lots of useful information here....

There is a caveat in that document.....

"Caution

You should not use the Net time command to configure or set time when the Windows Time service is running."

ancient_mariner · 3 Apr 2018

JonathanRyan said:
Incidentally, if they could stop it looking like an X-Box and basically running as an advert platform then Win10 might just be the best version of Windows I've used. OS X has been standing still for too long.

Curious. That's nothing like Windows 10 looks for me, but then the first thing I do with a new install is customise the start menu and taskbar to only show useful icons and remove the junk. Most of what I want has a shortcut in the taskbar and I hardly use the start menu - probably less than once per month.

Sorry that doesn't help solve your sound or clock issues.

JonathanRyan · 4 Apr 2018

Mikesphotaes said:
I think I would be checking if the date's right.

The date is correct

chuckles said:
You mean we're actually in Summer time? Who'd have thought it?

Lots of useful information here....

There is a caveat in that document.....

Thanks. I'm not entirely sure what the caveat means so I might not tinker.....

ancient_mariner said:
Curious. That's nothing like Windows 10 looks for me, but then the first thing I do with a new install is customise the start menu and taskbar to only show useful icons and remove the junk. Most of what I want has a shortcut in the taskbar and I hardly use the start menu - probably less than once per month.

Sorry that doesn't help solve your sound or clock issues.

Taskbar? The run menu is all you ever need

On a Mac I just hit Ctrl-Space to start Alfred so the closest I have on a PC is Windows key and type the start of what I need. It's remarkably efficient.

ancient_mariner · 4 Apr 2018

JonathanRyan said:
Taskbar? The run menu is all you ever need On a Mac I just hit Ctrl-Space to start Alfred so the closest I have on a PC is Windows key and type the start of what I need. It's remarkably efficient.

I've come across other Mac users who work that way, but it's completely alien to me. A little like having a servant who one instructs to bring tools while you're working instead of setting the tools close to hand around the workspace. Not a criticism, but perhaps that's why I don't see the mickey mouse side.