Wimbledon

[viv1969]

Why is it "appropriate" to bow the Duke? This kind of attitude blows my mind.
Are people so impoverished of self-respect that they think there are individuals who are innately worthy of bowing to? What's the duke done that means Andy Murray or anyone else should defer to him?
If I met the duke or the queen or any other royal, I'd treat them exactly the same as any other stranger.
And if they expected me to bow, they can go get bent, quite frankly.
If anything, the duke should be bowing to Murray.

All those years in charm school paying off then. Worth every penny

 

[MatBin]

Why is it "appropriate" to bow the Duke? This kind of attitude blows my mind.
Are people so impoverished of self-respect that they think there are individuals who are innately worthy of bowing to? What's the duke done that means Andy Murray or anyone else should defer to him?
If I met the duke or the queen or any other royal, I'd treat them exactly the same as any other stranger.
And if they expected me to bow, they can go get bent, quite frankly.

If anything, the duke should be bowing to Murray.

I didn't say I thought it was appropriate.

 

[ghoti]

I didn't say I thought it was appropriate.

And I didn't say you did.
You made it clear that you understood it to be expected as "appropriate" behaviour. I'm questioning why anyone (not necessarily you) would think such behaviour was "appropriate" unless they suffered a massive lack of self-respect.

 

[big soft moose]

If you're Scottish then you're British by definition, as Scotland is part of the British Isles - which is a geographical, not a political, entity.
You might identify as Scottish more than you identify as British, which is completely fair. But saying you're "not British" is silly.

does that mean that someone who lives in Eire is British ? - best keep that opinion to yourself if you ever go over there.

Its true to say that anyone who is Scottish is also British, but its not a question of whether you live in the British isles geographically speaking (Many Falklanders characterise themselves as british and that certainly isn't in the British isles)

Anyway back on subject personally I don't like Muray much - but that was a well played game and I can respect the effort that went into it even if I don't much care for the man

 

[big soft moose]

And I didn't say you did.
You made it clear that you understood it to be expected as "appropriate" behaviour. I'm questioning why anyone (not necessarily you) would think such behaviour was "appropriate" unless they suffered a massive lack of self-respect.

Its appropriate because they are there in a position of authority at Wimbledon - patron I believe - If you feel so strongly that you'll not bow to them, make a principled stand and refuse to play in their competition.

If you want the glory (and benefits) that come from being Wimbledon champion then show some damn respect when you win

simples

 

[POAH]

Its appropriate because they are there in a position of authority at Wimbledon - patron I believe - If you feel so strongly that you'll not bow to them, make a principled stand and refuse to play in their competition.

If you want the glory (and benefits) that come from being Wimbledon champion then show some damn respect when you win

simples

pretty sure one of the rules isn't you have to bow to the chairman of the club if you win. maybe if he was Japanese lol

 

[andya700]

Its appropriate because they are there in a position of authority at Wimbledon - patron I believe - If you feel so strongly that you'll not bow to them, make a principled stand and refuse to play in their competition.

If you want the glory (and benefits) that come from being Wimbledon champion then show some damn respect when you win

simples

Oh dear, totally wrong in my opinion

There is absolutely no need for bowing/curtsying to anyone in this day and age. We are not living in the dark ages.
The only people who should be acknowledged (with a bow/curtsy according to Wimbledon etiquette) are the Queen and Charlie boy.

So the Duke of Kent is just another person, why does he deserve any more or less respect than anyone else, just because he belongs to the so called elite/ruling classes?

Oh yes, nearly forgot - great win by a great tennis player - well done Andy Murray.

 

[big soft moose]

Oh dear, totally wrong in my opinion

There is absolutely no need for bowing/curtsying to anyone in this day and age. We are not living in the dark ages.
The only people who should be acknowledged (with a bow/curtsy according to Wimbledon etiquette) are the Queen and Charlie boy.

So the Duke of Kent is just another person, why does he deserve any more or less respect than anyone else, just because he belongs to the so called elite/ruling classes?

Oh yes, nearly forgot - great win by a great tennis player - well done Andy Murray.

you miss my point

which was like it or not its the expected form for the winner of the competition - don't want to do it , don't play. Simples

Eric Liddel didn't want to run on a sunday - as a point of principle , and people respected him for it, but he didn't try to get the whole race moved to a day that suited him better.

 

[AndyB1976]

Was Murray's a point of principle or did he just forget, he did forget his ma in the crowd afterall.

 

[BRASH]

Of course it was an oversight in the heat of the moment, as you say he also forgot his ma'. Why the hell would he want to be seen to be discourteous, he's nothing to benefit from that.

You can bet if Tim Henman did that nothing would have been made of it. Oh but he never made the final let alone win it did he

 

[gman]

The only thing that bothered me was that incredible juvenile and Shrek like fool Salmond. What an embarrassment he is and the sooner we get the Independence Referendum Scotland out of the way the sooner he can simply roll away! Besides, all this "Win for Britain"/"Loss for Scotland" crap is the forté of the vile BBC.

The PM didn't seem bothered, the crowd didn't seem bothered and I'm certainly not bothered where someone in Great Britain comes from. Well done Andy, a victory for Britain.

 

[POAH]

The only thing that bothered me was that incredible juvenile and Shrek like fool Salmond. What an embarrassment he is and the sooner we get the Independence Referendum Scotland out of the way the sooner he can simply roll away! Besides, all this "Win for Britain"/"Loss for Scotland" crap is the forté of the vile BBC.

The PM didn't seem bothered, the crowd didn't seem bothered and I'm certainly not bothered where someone in Great Britain comes from. Well done Andy, a victory for Britain.

and how was he any different to the other people in the crowd with Scottish flags :shrug:

 

[gman]

misread the reply but I agree with ghoti.

 

[ghoti]

and how was he any different to the other people in the crowd with Scottish flags :shrug:

Because he's the first minister of Scotland and is spearheading a referendum on Scottish independence. Not difficult to see how that context changes the act from a bit of sporting camaraderie to a political act.
I don't think it's that much of a big deal to be honest, but are people really serious when they say they think it's no different to some Joe waving a saltire on Murray mound?

 

[POAH]

Because he's the first minister of Scotland and is spearheading a referendum on Scottish independence. Not difficult to see how that context changes the act from a bit of sporting camaraderie to a political act.
I don't think it's that much of a big deal to be honest, but are people really serious when they say they think it's no different to some Joe waving a saltire on Murray mound?

I don't see it as any different to me waving a saltire -he is celebrating Murray's Scottish roots. Salmond is Scottish, Murray is Scottish, do you see the connection

 

[Ricardodaforce]

This thread is no longer about Wimbledon is it? No point in keeping it open.

I wonder how many of the "I'm Scottish not British" brigade refuse to travel abroad because in their passport under "Nationality" it says "British citizen".

British when it suits eh.