Will the carry one in Japan affect the price of gear

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Was just wondering with the state of the Japanese economy at the minute, do you think it will affect the price of our lenses and camera's.

I have not really took notice of the strength of the Yen against the Pound before but I was just wondering if prices will either go up or down, especially the price of lenses.

Open to debate me thinks.
 
If someone sneezes in the middle east, the price of oil goes up - work it out for yourself
 
By "carry on".. you mean at least 2,500 deaths, probably 10-15,000 when the counting is done, half a million homeless, at least three nuclear reactors on the brink of melt down.

Sorry mate, but the price of cameras lenses isn't even on the same page in my reality.
 
Oil prices have dropped due to Japan not using oil.

There will be lots of shortages, all those cars have been damaged and written off will need replacing, all that wood......

Then there are other bits that will be effected. All our gadgets will be effected. Poor supply means prices will rise because they can and need to. This is basic logic.

If you sell 1000 items and make £1 on each, you get £1000. If you only sell 100 items, you need to make £10 on each item to make the same money. If there is no supply and people can't buy, there is a big problem for businesses. It is not greed, it is called trying to stay in business.
 
To be honest I don't care about it (the price increase not the disaster!) Japan are going through some unthinkable times right now and I don't think they are fussed about whether we get our lenses or not I think there main concern at the minute is staying alive and getting back on track after these tough times.

I weren't planning on buying any lenses because I can't afford it and so by the time I can afford it Japan will hopefully be back on track and there won't be any fluctuations, in a way it's a good thing for photographers because it will mean that most of us will stick with what we have and learn how to utilise that without having to spend loads of cash so it may teach us all a lesson.

I must stress that if anyone who have got the cash available for lenses to please donate instead to the Japanese aid charities because I'm sure they would appreciate the money more than you will need that 85mm f1.2 or whatever. I've made a donation yesterday of £20 which of course isn't much but it was all I could afford and if it means saving peoples lives and getting those big camera companies back on track also then it would make sense to donate :)
 
Alastair said:
By "carry on".. you mean at least 2,500 deaths, probably 10-15,000 when the counting is done, half a million homeless, at least three nuclear reactors on the brink of melt down.

Sorry mate, but the price of cameras lenses isn't even on the same page in my reality.
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Well I could have listed all that has happened over the last few days instead of the two words I did choose, but I felt there was no need to since all has been well documented.

Seems my choice of words has hit a sensitive spot for some, to which I apologise.

All I asked for was an opinion about the state of the Yen and if it would affect the price of equipment, I was not being insensitive as to what the Japanese people are going through. As a matter of fact I worked with the Japanese when they built the Nissan plant and had many a night with them in the local drinking den, they were great lads, always had time for a bit of "carry on" and were always cheerful even though they were thousands of miles from their families.

I'm sorry if some have taken my posting in the wrong context.
 
Scotty Pro said:
Well I could have listed all that has happened over the last few days instead of the two words I did choose, but I felt there was no need to since all has been well documented.

Seems my choice of words has hit a sensitive spot for some, to which I apologise.

All I asked for was an opinion about the state of the Yen and if it would affect the price of equipment, I was not being insensitive as to what the Japanese people are going through. As a matter of fact I worked with the Japanese when they built the Nissan plant and had many a night with them in the local drinking den, they were great lads, always had time for a bit of "carry on" and were always cheerful even though they were thousands of miles from their families.

I'm sorry if some have taken my posting in the wrong context.
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I don't think Alastair's claiming you're insensitive with the post I think he is merely stating that at this time, lives of others are more important than photography and it's got to make people realise there's a world outside their own street :)
 
Dale_d3100 said:
Oil prices have dropped due to Japan not using oil.
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Dale
the price of oil may have dropped but my local Sainsbury's have just stuck another penny on a litre yesterday :bang: :bang:

...............thats twice it has gone up in less than a week. :thumbsdown:
 
agreed. it is completely insignificant. however Ive heard that Canon,Sony and Toshiba have suspended operations in Japan due to the earthquake and subsequent disaster!
 
When are people allowed to chat about the repercussions of the disaster in Japan?

The news repeats the same thing again and again as its just a matter of waiting to see how it happens and there is nothing to add.
 
Scotty Pro said:
Well I could have listed all that has happened over the last few days instead of the two words I did choose, but I felt there was no need to since all has been well documented.

Seems my choice of words has hit a sensitive spot for some, to which I apologise.

All I asked for was an opinion about the state of the Yen and if it would affect the price of equipment, I was not being insensitive as to what the Japanese people are going through. As a matter of fact I worked with the Japanese when they built the Nissan plant and had many a night with them in the local drinking den, they were great lads, always had time for a bit of "carry on" and were always cheerful even though they were thousands of miles from their families.

I'm sorry if some have taken my posting in the wrong context.
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:thumbs: for being a man to clarify what you meant, not what it appeared to be for some.
 
Dale_d3100 said:
When are people allowed to chat about the repercussions of the disaster in Japan?

The news repeats the same thing again and again as its just a matter of waiting to see how it happens and there is nothing to add.
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Whenever you want Dale, as long as it's not insensitive to the broad spectrum of people who read what you write.
 
Do we care right now. It's the people we care about right now.
 
I care about the people, but I'm curious about how this will effect the world as a whole.

Japan is a major country in the world and has a huge effect on our every day lives.

Just because people are asking these questions, it doesn't mean people don't care.
 
I think the OP raises a valid point, albeit it could have been worded with more sensitivity. They may go down due to the weakness of the Yen against 'your currency', yet they may rise due to supply and demand regardless of currency.

The Yen and Nikkei have both dropped, investor fear and panic being stemmed by the Japanese government injecting funds to the market.

Oil prices have dropped and leaving the Middle East/North Africa aside I gather a number of countries are concerned about their own nuclear infrastructure. This can only lead to a possible surge for fuel for the oil fired power stations quite possibly ramping up the dollar barrel.

Now I hope this post doesn't come across as heartless or insensitive as I have posted in the Out Of Focus thread indicating how much respect I have for Japan yet Capitalism doesn't appear to care or show respect one bit here.

Capitalism has revealed itself by withdrawing investment at this worst possible moment, shaking the Japanese economy and validating the OP's question IMO.
 
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They have has a huge debate over this type of thread on POTN, and I'm in the camp that says it's a legitimate question.

Nikon, Panasonic, Sony and the rest giving press releases about production, Canon have sent out at least 2 since Sunday.

Will price go up, more than likely if product is stopped for any significant length of time. Canons Utsunomiya Optical Products Plant has damage (where they make Ef lenes) and has no date for work to restart.

There will also be a memory shortage for things like iPad and CF/SD cards as Japan produce a significant percent of the worlds production. NAND flash memory chips prices have gone up 23% since the disaster.

Full Canon Press Release in PDF


Related article about smartphones, memory chips and blue-ray players may increase in price. And apparently Sony sustained a lot of damage -

http://www.channelnews.com.au/Hardwa...ustry/P4L9C8M3
 
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Sorry - all this economy stuff is *******s - it's a humanitarian issue right now- and nothing else really matters. Time to start to realise what is really important on this planet - and it's not material things - or shouldn't be. You've got all the nikon/Canon/Pentax/Sony kit you really need - some of these people have nothing!
 
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Indeed, I don't disagree. Care to explain the economy and the OPs question if its *******s?
 
Does it really matter if prices go up to us - when these poor people have nothing left? We'll survive even if prices double - it's not about money right now.
 
I'm sorry, but I think the thought behind the original post was mercenary and cynical. It's something that never crossed my mind when I saw the suffering and devastation. The guy who puts the inspection sticker on your lens could be dead or crying for his family. Let's hope they get his shift covered or it might slow up production.

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fundamentally if you want to help japan out then buy some japanese made goods- especially expensive high ticket price items.
The humanitarian issues are obvious- what isnt soobvious is the rest of the country that needs to feed itself as well as those in need.To do this they gonna need money.
get your wallets out and buy that new L lens or pro body.
 
whiteflyer said:
They have has a huge debate over this type of thread on POTN, and I'm in the camp that says it's a legitimate question.
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Questions of the impact of the disaster on the economy, and how that affects all of us as legitimate. To me that doesn't detract from the terrible human suffering in Japan or lessen the impact they have and the sorrow I feel for the people over there.

However describing the situation there as a 'carry on' degrades that suffering to the point where there is no other way to read the OP's question then callous and self serving
 
As a country yeap they are in shock but not all of it was affected. Most of the bigger companies are located more towards the north and so are "unhurt in manfucating etc" but people have lost their homes and possible loved one. It will effect rest of the world in different ways! Though the people should come first! lives shattered.
 
The OP is only guilty of being insensitive by using the words "Carry on" in his title. Ok it was really "carry one" but we'll forget the spelling mistake. That aside it is a legitimate question to ask how the disaster will affect the rest of the world although I wouldn't limit the question to just the price of camera equipment. It will affect everything that Japan imports and exports. Is this a question we should be asking when this disaster is ongoing? We'll yes it is, because those that are extremely lucky to still be alive in that country will be suffering some real hardships in the months to come and the sooner they can return their economy to some normality, the better it will be for them. If the OP has asked the question from a purely selfish perspective then yes, he is out of order to bring it up at this point, but from the bigger perspective the disaster will affect us all, and there will be some big lessons to learn, most notably in respect of how we can make nuclear plants safer.

They were once our enemy and now we have sympathy for them. It's a strange world in which we live.:(
 
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Reality check:

I don't care if i get flamed for this i sreally don't but i feel so, so sorry for those out in Japan right now.
Me and the missus watch the news whenever its on as talk about the crisis in Japan, the families that are lost and the sheer devastation of the Tsunami.

We have watched people crying out for thier loved ones, and get no answer back, i would not wish any of this on my worste enemy, its terrible and my heart goes out to all of them....

But i'm sorry to say, life goes on...

There is crisis all over this planet, not just Japan, Africa, Vancouver, Tornado Alley, it happens all the time, but we cannot just shut down because of it, we still have to earn a living we still have to survive.

Do you think that the Hollywood actor or the Prime minister has stopped earning a living because of this?

The OP wanted to know what the Yen was doing compared to the pound, for all we know he could earn a living for himself and his family with that information,calling him insensitive, IS insensative.

AWP said;

"Does it really matter if prices go up to us - when these poor people have nothing left? We'll survive even if prices double - it's not about money right now. "

I disagree with that entire statement, it does matter, of course it does, if we don't carry on living we will have nothing left. If prices continue to go up, WE will not be able to live.

Maybe we will survive as you say, but it will be the more fortunate ones that will survive and when they do, million of poor people in the uk will be without.


I'm speeking the truth, as harshe as it sounds, this is an internet forum which in my mind is far less important than than what is going on in the world.
 
Lunaticsamurai said:
Reality check:


The OP wanted to know what the Yen was doing compared to the pound, for all we know he could earn a living for himself and his family with that information,calling him insensitive, IS insensative.
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I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post. But the bit above I've snipped out is wrong. The OP didn't want that at all, he was prepared to dismiss the suffering in Japan as a 'carry on' and was only interested in the short term affect on camera prices.

I suspect there will be a huge impact on the global economy from this, and were the OP interested in this I'd of been all ear, but to be honest he wasn't.
 
Lunaticsamurai - I agree 100% (but couldn't put it into words)

For all those so torn up on the humanitarian side of the disaster and we mustn't talk about anything else, what steps have you taken to help Japan, apart from donating £20 or £50 via a website (if you have given at all) which means b****r all to you in the longterm.

We all sit in our houses, cars on our drives, houses full of toys, holidays etc. and we don't want to change.
 
boyfalldown said:
I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post. But the bit above I've snipped out is wrong. The OP didn't want that at all, he was prepared to dismiss the suffering in Japan as a 'carry on' and was only interested in the short term affect on camera prices.

I suspect there will be a huge impact on the global economy from this, and were the OP interested in this I'd of been all ear, but to be honest he wasn't.
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Please don't feel you need to argue with me on this, its a subject of conversation, no more, no less.
 
Dale_d3100 said:
Oil prices have dropped due to Japan not using oil.

There will be lots of shortages, all those cars have been damaged and written off will need replacing, all that wood......

Then there are other bits that will be effected. All our gadgets will be effected. Poor supply means prices will rise because they can and need to. This is basic logic.

If you sell 1000 items and make £1 on each, you get £1000. If you only sell 100 items, you need to make £10 on each item to make the same money. If there is no supply and people can't buy, there is a big problem for businesses. It is not greed, it is called trying to stay in business.
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Well that's wrong - japan is importing more oil since the reactors exploded and is increasing the price of oil through demand. Economics ;)
 
WillNicholls said:
Well that's wrong - japan is importing more oil since the reactors exploded and is increasing the price of oil through demand. Economics ;)
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no it isn't

- from Robert Preston's business blog on Oil prices

As for oil, if the perception grows that Japanese manufacturing activity will remain depressed for a while, its price will weaken - although the instability in the Gulf continues to exert upward pressure on the oil price.
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awp said:
Sorry - all this economy stuff is *******s - it's a humanitarian issue right now- and nothing else really matters. Time to start to realise what is really important on this planet - and it's not material things - or shouldn't be. You've got all the nikon/Canon/Pentax/Sony kit you really need - some of these people have nothing!
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It's a terrible situation yes. But the economy is a massive concern at the moment with regards to Japan's recovery.
 
awp said:
Does it really matter if prices go up to us - when these poor people have nothing left? We'll survive even if prices double - it's not about money right now.
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Andrew, I am not disagreeing with you. I am highlighting what is going on just now.

I'm not caring what happens to prices per se (I don't intend to directly scavenge from others misfortune, yet Capitalism thrives on exploitation of the resource). Capitalism ain't kind nor pretty and it proves itself again and again...I (but who am I in the grand scheme) care more about the people and no-one on this forum is saying otherwise as far as I can see.

I was referring to the OPs question being valid in my opinion.

Wouldn't supporting the Japanese economy be a start for their recovery? I don't see search and rescue teams or humanitarian missions downing tools and watching global stock tickers yet some traders, companies - whoever are taking their financial support and running. I find this equally as bad yet because its nameless and faceless to some extent and not on the ground helping its not viewed as being part of the bigger problem it seems on here.

If the SAR and humanitarian missions cut and run as the investors just have how terrible would that situation be. Now this isn't directly affecting the rescue, recovery and rebuild yet it will be indirectly affecting Japan as a whole. Its an additional problem they just don't need.
 
WillNicholls said:
Key word: If.
On the news today some big companies suggested they would keep producing but not draining rationed power from all who need it.
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another key word. Suggested.
With large infra structure damages, even if those companies are in a position to resume operations straight away then they won't be able to get raw materials, power to operate or ship finished product. Thats without even considering the human cost that some of those companies will bear
 
boyfalldown said:
another key word. Suggested.
With large infra structure damages, even if those companies are in a position to resume operations straight away then they won't be able to get raw materials, power to operate or ship finished product. Thats without even considering the human cost that some of those companies will bear
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I'm just quoting the head of A level economics at my school in what he said today.
 
WillNicholls said:
I'm just quoting the head of A level economics at my school in what he said today.
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there are other great sources if you're interested in that sort of thing, Robert Preston's blog on the BBC is a good read. A couple of other analysts are interesting (maybe a little dry) Incendently oil prices (on the markets, not petrol stations) dropped about $5 today, not increased
 
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