Will fox hunting be legal again?

I love veal as well, very nice meat.

Cartus said:
They ought to bring back public flogging and hanging too, should be quite a spectacle eh Steve?
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We already have that to a degree don't we? Have you ever watched daytime television like Jeremy Kyle, or those fly on the wall documentaries; too fat too work, gypsy weddings, benefit street, x-factor auditions...You name it, it is the current day version of public flogging and interestingly the majority participating can't even see it....And the clever ones do and make some good money out of it...
 
ST4 said:
If we get sharia law we will, plus beheadings and stonings.
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Welcome to the world if the uninformed, spreading misinformation because it reinforces their simple world view full of bogeymen.

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ST4 said:
So these things don't happen in countries with sharia law..

Ok then.
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They happen in countries with bearded men? so is there a correlation?
They happen in countries with cars? so is there a correlation?
They happen in countries with mountains? so is there a correlation?
etc. etc.

It's simple cause and effect, just because some countries have something called Sharia Law, and in some of those countries those things happen, that doesn't mean that there's a direct correlation. The Western media lazily report things which makes lazy people draw conclusions that are false. I like to think that I'm intelligent enough to question those assumptions. And when those assumptions are questioned they're found to be stupid. It's not even difficult, you should try it.
Fox News (one of your favourites?)
 
Phil V said:
They happen in countries with bearded men? so is there a correlation?
They happen in countries with cars? so is there a correlation?
They happen in countries with mountains? so is there a correlation?
etc. etc.

It's simple cause and effect, just because some countries have something called Sharia Law, and in some of those countries those things happen, that doesn't mean that there's a direct correlation. The Western media lazily report things which makes lazy people draw conclusions that are false. I like to think that I'm intelligent enough to question those assumptions. And when those assumptions are questioned they're found to be stupid. It's not even difficult, you should try it.
Fox News (one of your favourites?)
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FFS. They happen under countries with sharia law. Fact. End of.
 
Phil V said:
They happen in countries with bearded men? so is there a correlation?
They happen in countries with cars? so is there a correlation?
They happen in countries with mountains? so is there a correlation?
etc. etc.

It's simple cause and effect, just because some countries have something called Sharia Law, and in some of those countries those things happen, that doesn't mean that there's a direct correlation. The Western media lazily report things which makes lazy people draw conclusions that are false. I like to think that I'm intelligent enough to question those assumptions. And when those assumptions are questioned they're found to be stupid. It's not even difficult, you should try it.
Fox News (one of your favourites?)
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ST4 said:
FFS. They happen under countries with sharia law. Fact. End of.
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@ST4 I think it is a fair, and often overlooked, distinction that @Phil V is making. Whilst you are absolutely right that they happen and nobody is disputing that, the distinction is that they do not happen because of Sharia Law. I would suggest that it is more linked to cultural behaviour, ergo introduction of Sharia Law does not necessarily equate to the same kind of punishments.
 
dejongj said:
@ST4 I think it is a fair, and often overlooked, distinction that @Phil V is making. Whilst you are absolutely right that they happen and nobody is disputing that, the distinction is that they do not happen because of Sharia Law. I would suggest that it is more linked to cultural behaviour, ergo introduction of Sharia Law does not necessarily equate to the same kind of punishments.
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Sharia law is a cultural custom though. That legal system has led to that cultural behaviour. Not the beards etc.
 
ST4 said:
Sharia law is a cultural custom though. That legal system has led to that cultural behaviour. Not the beards etc.
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Not argueing the finer details, but assuming that is so, then isn't that exactly why over here there wouldn't be a problem like that?
 
ST4 said:
I beg to differ. Importing customs like that means they will happen here.
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You're all for capital and corporal punishments anyway, as you rush to tell everyone when given even the slightest opportunity, so why would you care?
 
ghoti said:
You're all for capital and corporal punishments anyway, as you rush to tell everyone when given even the slightest opportunity, so why would you care?
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As it should be done through the judicial system, not because a few decide to become rouge vigilantes. I also think stoning for adultery is a tad excessive but their methods of dealing with thieves and murders is admirable.
 
ST4 said:
FFS. They happen under countries with sharia law. Fact. End of.
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Flipping hilarious.
Fred West was a builder, Fred West was a mass murderer.

Is there a link?

Are all builders mass murderers? Are all mass murderers builders?

Let's try another one to make it simple.

Some countries have Sharia Law. Some countries have stonings and executions.

But just like in the 'Halal meat' issue, not all countries that have public executions have Sharia law, and not all countries that have Sharia law have public executions and stonings.

It's quite straightforward, and it's therefore stupid to suggest that Sharia law = public execution.
 
ST4 said:
I beg to differ. Importing customs like that means they will happen here.
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I'm presuming you never watched that video I linked. It's far easier to cling on to misinformation than to challenge your prejudices.
 
We have English law here (and Scottish). That will not be replaced with sharia law.

I'm going to set up a petition to make bigot hunting legal.


Steve.
 
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Steve Smith said:
We have English law here (and Scottish). That will not be replaced with sharia law.


Steve.
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Not any time soon, but it might in 50 years time if things go unchecked. We need to be more proactive about saving our precious western Christian culture and law or these jihadists will eventually over run us like in the Roman empire.
 
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daugirdas said:
Not any time soon, but it might in 50 years time if things go unchecked. We need to be more proactive about saving our precious western Christian culture and law or these jihadists will eventually over run us like in the Roman empire.
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The last time we saw such a siesmic movement of people was when the Roman empire fell.

Christian Patrols...
 
Steve Smith said:
We have English law here (and Scottish). That will not be replaced with sharia law.

I'm going to set up a petition to make bigot hunting legal.


Steve.
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Actual we already have Beth Din in operation, so why no Sharia or dare I say Scottish ;)
 
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ST4 said:
Fox hunting...
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if you can't answer properly don't answer at all

daugirdas said:
Not any time soon, but it might in 50 years time if things go unchecked. We need to be more proactive about saving our precious western Christian culture and law or these jihadists will eventually over run us like in the Roman empire.
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what christian culture and law?
 
daugirdas said:
Not any time soon, but it might in 50 years time if things go unchecked. We need to be more proactive about saving our precious western Christian culture and law or these jihadists will eventually over run us like in the Roman empire.
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Nothing about Christianity is precious to me, nor to many others.

IMO the laws (and education system) of any nation should be wholly separate from any religious beliefs. It's where they merge that the bloody trouble starts
 
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daugirdas said:
Not any time soon, but it might in 50 years time if things go unchecked. We need to be more proactive about saving our precious western Christian culture and law or these jihadists will eventually over run us like in the Roman empire.
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What is it with the religiously uninformed.

We already have Sharia courts, and the biggest non-Muslim supporters of them is... The Church of England.

And why can't we sort out a modern law defining blasphemy, which would allow us to tackle Muslim extremism and put it in it's place? Because all the other organised religions want to have 'special treatment'. Whilst people are defending their right to religious freedom to that degree, they're defending hate preaching whether it's by Jews Muslims or Christians.

It's time for a separation of Church and State, so that we can control religion properly like any Democracy should.
 
viv1969 said:
Nothing about Christianity is precious to me, nor to many others.

IMO the laws (and education system) of any nation should be wholly separate from any religious beliefs. It's where they merge that the bloody trouble starts
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Europe is built on Christianity, whether you like it or not. Yes the laws are officially separate, but as you may find they are closely based on the religious values. The alternative is greed, selfishness, hate of neighbour, or in the other extreme - Sharia law. Why don't we have death penalty any more? It would be very cheap and efficient way to deal with mass murders, terrorists and traitors. However many believe it is unchristian, so we let them rot in jail instead.
 
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daugirdas said:
Europe is built on Christianity, whether you like it or not. Yes the laws are officially separate, but as you may find they are closely based on the religious values. The alternative is greed, selfishness, hate of neighbour, or in the other extreme - Sharia law. Why don't we have death penalty any more? It would be very cheap and efficient way to deal with mass murders, terrorists and traitors. However many believe it is unchristian, so we let them rot in jail instead.
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Excellent post. So accurate.
 
Neil B said:
Top marks for all :clap:
Getting from Fox murder too Muslims in one thread is a fantastic effort by the regular "OOF crew" :banana:
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Fox murder :ROFLMAO:
Well done for taking part with that little diamond!
 
Lol, we have the angry white and thick crowd back again!
 
daugirdas said:
Europe is built on Christianity, whether you like it or not. Yes the laws are officially separate, but as you may find they are closely based on the religious values. The alternative is greed, selfishness, hate of neighbour, or in the other extreme - Sharia law. Why don't we have death penalty any more? It would be very cheap and efficient way to deal with mass murders, terrorists and traitors. However many believe it is unchristian, so we let them rot in jail instead.
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I do take objection to the wording in this. Religion does not have the exclusivity in values and morality. The alternative to religious values is not greed, selfishness nor hate if neighbour. If anything I would argue that those three are at the core of institutionalised religion. Something in my opinion neatly demonstrated in this post.
 
Rapscallion said:
Lol, we have the angry white and thick crowd back again!
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So people who have a different viewpoint than you are angry, white and thick. Wow, rather childish and unnecessary I would say.
 
daugirdas said:
Europe is built on Christianity, whether you like it or not. Yes the laws are officially separate, but as you may find they are closely based on the religious values. The alternative is greed, selfishness, hate of neighbour, or in the other extreme - Sharia law. Why don't we have death penalty any more? It would be very cheap and efficient way to deal with mass murders, terrorists and traitors. However many believe it is unchristian, so we let them rot in jail instead.
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You do realise that the Christian Values and Muslim values all emanate from the same place?

And what you believe are 'Christian values' will differ from other Christian's 'Christian values'.

Not to mention our laws owe as much to the pre Christian Ancient Greeks as they do to Christianity.

IMHO the single most appalling defence of religion is the idea that without it we have no morals. I have higher moral standards than many religious people, and I manage to maintain them without 'guidance from above', in fact I'd argue that Religion creates a very twisted view of Morality. Religious people are encouraged to live a good life in return for a reward in the afterlife. Whereas I believe that living a good life is reward enough in itself.

Just check out my attitude towards those less fortunate and compare them to Steve's. One of us believes in a God, it's difficult to defend 'Christian Values' when viewed so plainly?
 
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dejongj said:
So people who have a different viewpoint than you are angry, white and thick. Wow, rather childish and unnecessary I would say.
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I was referring to the title of a previous thread.

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https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/angry-white-and-thick.575009/page-34

The point I am making is that it is the same crowd posting nonsense - and that is what they are posting, nonsense, and don't try and say that it is just because I disagree I am saying these things. There are lots of things I disagree with that are not nonsense, but please lets call it like it is, the content of posts in these and many other threads contributed by the same group are plainly idiotic drivel attempting to get a reaction. That is what I was referring to as the angry white and thick crowd, headed by the grand master troll (not my words by the way).
 
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Some of the most vile, hate-filled and intolerant people I've known have been deeply religious
 
Christianity and Islam are part of the same religion. They all worship the same "god". The core ethics & "laws" of Christianity, Judaism and Islam come from the same basic source - the Old Testament/Torah. The book of Leviticus in particular.
So drawing a distinction between Christian and Islamic "law" is stupid.
The structure of western ethics and moral philosophy owes more to the enlightenment and secularism than to any religion.
 
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