Will fox hunting be legal again?

Steve Smith said:
Everyone knows that the best way to control fox numbers is to put upper class tw*ts in red coats and chase then all over the countryside on horseback (sarcasm).
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And that's why I favour repeal of the ban. I don't like horses, don't like dogs, have no feeling one way or the other about whether it's an effective or ineffective means of pest control and have no interest in any kind of participation in hunting (whether the prey is a fox, a game bird or a fish). All I want to do is to annoy the people that reduce the debate to their assumptions about those that take part. Why does the attire of participants matter? Why does their background matter? It is and always was massive snobbery. But of course, it's seen as acceptable by some to be snobbish about those that are more wealthy.

I say assumptions - I have an ex who was a horsey person (not that she could afford to keep it with an admin job, so I used to pay towards it stabling and whathaveyou). She didn't hunt, but knew those that did. Not a single upper class person, whether with or without a tw*t, amongst them. We didn't move in upper class circles
 
new2me said:
Apparently we are not allowed to name call on this forum,
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Au contraire. One prolific contributor was called out for using a racist epithet only last week, but escaped censure.
Apparently around here it's not what you say, but who says it. If you're in the 'club' you can get away with posting pretty much anything. We plebs, however, need to be more circumspect.


No sniggering at the back. I wrote circumspect. :p
 
viv1969 said:
If it's not about cruelty, and all about class, then let's ban Showjumping....not many non upper class folks in the top flight there. Or three day eventing. Or competitive yachting.
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I agree with Yachting, its as annoying as female tennis
 
viv1969 said:
Plenty of people who ride with the hunts are far from upper class.
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It's how it's seen and perceived even if the facts are quite different. It's seen as an elitist, upper class tw*ts pursuit by those who are keen to see it stopped and associated with the aristocracy. You only have to look at the tone of some of the posts in this thread to see this.
 
The whole class thing is a complete red herring.

Regardless of class, race, religion, wealth or sexual preference, you either like the idea of killing animals for sport or you don't.
 
ST4 said:
Are upperclass people tw*ts? If so, why?

It's comments like this in this tone that make me believe the fox hunting ban was an attack on the upper classes.
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if you enjoy chasing a terrified animal to exhaustion and then having dogs rip it apart you are more than a t*** upperclass or not.
 
andyscott said:
It was a class war (I am not trying to wind anyone up), whenever it is discussed its about a bunch of toffs etc etc.

We cant blame cruelty or lots of things would be banned, like Halal meat for a start, but it wasnt about cruelty, it was about a country sport and class.
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halal is banned in some countries, it should be banned here too. far too much religious freedom
 
simon ess said:
The whole class thing is a complete red herring.

Regardless of class, race, religion, wealth or sexual preference, you either like the idea of killing animals for sport or you don't.
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I'm not against it in principle. It happens in quite a lot of other areas and with other animals as well.

Heck l, give some animals the opportunity and they would do the same thing to us. And that includes foxes. It's the circle of life.
 
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POAH said:
halal is banned in some countries, it should be banned here too.
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Why, exactly? I doubt very much that the animal cares if a prayer was said whilst it was dispatched, so I don't see why I should either.
 
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Llamaman said:
Don't bring Elton John into the thread. Hang your head in shame, sir. Hang your head.
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I was more thinking of oletta Adams, not simba :)
 
ST4 said:
Oh this thread just got good :D
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Doesn't look like it. It appears my sparring partner has decided to go and research the topic having already stated his conclusion. Not normally how logic works, but hey, it's a free world (until POAH bans it on a whim).
 
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The subject of Halal meat has come up countless times (not just on here), and I think the main problem that people have with it, is the way the animals are killed. Ive seen a few videos of the slaughters and I have to say, I have a problem with it as well. Yes, I am an animal lover, but this goes beyond that (for me anyway).

The last round of vids I watched (yes I have a real morbid curiosity sometimes), when the cows were being killed, they basically had their throats cut while they just stood there. More often than not, this took some doing, depending on the size of the animal, and there seemed to be quite long periods of time where the animal was thrashing about fighting for its life. Not a very humane way to go if you ask me, regardless of if a prayer had been said previously. I dont know if this is exactly how it happens in all Halal slaughter houses or if what ive seen has been made available to be seen, for the purpose of shocking. Is there a difference in the way Halal and non Halal slaughter houses are regulated? I dont know.

Surely a bolt to the head to stun/kill the animal outright should be the way to go?

Im all for people expressing their religious views (as is their right), but from what ive seen, it seems extremely inhumane.
 
simon ess said:
The whole class thing is a complete red herring.

Regardless of class, race, religion, wealth or sexual preference, you either like the idea of killing animals for sport or you don't.
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Not true.
I don't care either way.
 
Llamaman said:
Any chance of you actually answering the question rather than dodging it to buy yourself some more Google time?
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I did, I object to the halal method of slaughter which was clear in my post. its not my responsability to make sure people actually know how its carried out.
 
Llamaman said:
Au contraire. One prolific contributor was called out for using a racist epithet only last week, but escaped censure.
Apparently around here it's not what you say, but who says it. If you're in the 'club' you can get away with posting pretty much anything. We plebs, however, need to be more circumspect.


No sniggering at the back. I wrote circumspect. :p
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I was, when I was a baby!
 
Nikon_Nick said:
The subject of Halal meat ...
Surely a bolt to the head to stun/kill the animal outright should be the way to go?
Im all for people expressing their religious views (as is their right), but from what ive seen, it seems extremely inhumane.
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More than 99% of Halal meat produced in the UK comes from animals that are pre-stunned prior to slaughter (like non-Halal meat). The remaining 1% I can understand people having concerns with, but this does not represent the majority of Halal, nor can you determine whether it is pre-stunned from the description Halal. 'Halal' tells you nothing about the welfare of the animal. It should also be noted that poor welfare standards have been recorded at non-religious slaughter houses (plenty of evidence of this on animal welfare groups' websites). It is strange that people who have no problem eating battery-farmed chicken that has spent it's entire life in a tiny cage, go purple with rage at the thought that the poor animal might have had an "inhumane" death.

It is interesting that people always raise Halal meat in animal welfare discussions, despite 99% of it being prepared to the same pre-stunned standard as 'traditional' meat, yet you hear no complaints from the same people about Kosher meat (0% pre-stunned), battery farming, intensive farming, live transportation etc. (You are unlikely to ever encounter the non-stunned 1% in restaurants or supermarkets - it is only available in specialist Halal butchers. So you won't ever eat it "by accident" unless you have dinner at an ultra-conservative muslim friend's house.)

"Animal welfare" concerns about Halal are typically used as a figleaf to (ineptly) conceal Islamophobia. It normally only takes a couple of comments to flush people out, which is why I'm always suspicious when people call for it to be banned, but refuse to discuss why they oppose Halal, or confront the facts I've raised above.

Anyway, I've made my contribution here. I doubt it'll make much difference, but I hope I've opened some people's eyes to the truth about Halal meat that you won't read in the Daily Mail. Inevitably others will now leap in to demonise a large % of the world's population out of fear and ignorance. Should make for a impressive (if depressing) show.
 
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Llamaman said:
"Animal welfare" concerns about Halal are typically used as a figleaf to (ineptly) conceal Islamophobia. It normally only takes a couple of comments to flush people out, which is why I'm always suspicious when people are unwilling call for it to be banned, but refuse to discuss why they oppose Halal, or confront the facts I've raised above.

Anyway, I've made my contribution here. I doubt it'll make much difference, but I hope I've opened some people's eyes to the truth about Halal meat that you won't read in the Daily Mail. Inevitably others will now leap in to demonise a large % of the world's population out of fear and ignorance. Should make for a impressive (if depressing) show.
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same goes for kosher too, that should get banned. people oppose halal due to the method. if the animal is stunned before hand I have no issue with it
 
Im all for learning the facts Andy. I was just pointing out what I also believed was POAH's issue with Halal Slaughter.
 
POAH said:
same goes for kosher too, that should get banned. people oppose halal due to the method. if the animal is stunned before hand I have no issue with it
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So you have no issue with >99% of it but want it banned anyway?
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Im all for learning the facts Andy. I was just pointing out what I also believed was POAH's issue with Halal Slaughter.
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I appreciate that, but I was deliberately not putting words into his mouth and wanted to give him the chance to explain his view for himself, not assume it was the same flawed argument I've encountered numerous times before. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt.
 
Llamaman said:
So you have no issue with >99% of it but want it banned anyway?
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its the unstunned that needs banned, maybe I should have worded it better so people like you don't fly off on one being pedantic when you know fine well what people actually mean. I'll know better in future to be totally precise in my replys.

2.4 million sheep and goats were slaughtered last year without stunning. They dangle for 20s while cows can take upto 2 minutes before they die. I'm opposed to that, it has nothing to do with hating religion (although I do)
 
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it always strikes me as odd that some people get so concerned about the last 2 minutes of an animals life but don't seem to give a flying fig for the months or years that proceeded it's death

anyway, back OT it seems like for a relatively minority pursuit fox hunting takes up a disproportionate amount of parliament and media time
 
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boyfalldown said:
it always strikes me as odd that some people get so concerned about the last 2 minutes of an animals life but don't seem to give a flying fig for the months or years that proceeded it's death
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I think you'll find they do
 
boyfalldown said:
it always strikes me as odd that some people get so concerned about the last 2 minutes of an animals life but don't seem to give a flying fig for the months or years that proceeded it's death
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Spot on.

Personally I could care less about Hallam/kosher/standard. If it tastes good I'll eat it.
 
I have no problem with killing animals for food be that picking up your meat fish etcetera from the local butcher, fishmonger or supermarket or going out yourself and shooting or fishing. I don’t even have a problem with the controlled culling of certain animals as long as it’s done as humanly as possible. But I do however disagree with people killing animals for so called sport be that fox, deer, otter or hare hunting with dogs, bull baiting, cockfighting or dog fighting or any other form you can think off be they done by upper-class, middle-class, working-class or the great unwashed they are all f**king tw*ts.

This is just my opinion to which I'm entitled to under various laws and statutes of this once great country just the same as everyone else.:banana::banana::banana:


But come the revolution those that disagree will be shot, and maybe in the face.:D:D:D


PS for anyone with a sense of humour failure the first part is serious the latter are not.:mooning::mooning::mooning:
 
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