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Will fox hunting be legal again?
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Surely by now we ought to have a chorus of who's to blame...
For everything
We're a bit slow of a Saturday teatime.
This thread didn't get far whilst I've been out on a shoot.
Didn't want you to miss anything Phil
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I'm definitely slow as I can't figure out what the euphemism of a fox hunt is about. I just can't figure it out, but no I won't blame Baroness Thatcher, I'll take personal responsibility for the lack of my own merit in this. I'm simple not quick enough.
As I'm the only one left who still thinks this fox hunt is actually about a fox hunt, let me reaffirm my position. It still looks fun to me. I actually just spoke to my daughter (12) about it, and she would like to take part as well. But ... And there I was ready to hear "what about the poor fox" but nope, she was mainly concerned how high some of the walls are that she'll have to jump as she had a bad fall recently. Very interesting. I didn't lead her on, never actually had the conversation before.
I guess it is more normal when you are surrounded by the countryside and see and experience he life and death on the farms and land around you.
As I'm the only one left who still thinks this fox hunt is actually about a fox hunt, let me reaffirm my position. It still looks fun to me. I actually just spoke to my daughter (12) about it, and she would like to take part as well. But ... And there I was ready to hear "what about the poor fox" but nope, she was mainly concerned how high some of the walls are that she'll have to jump as she had a bad fall recently. Very interesting. I didn't lead her on, never actually had the conversation before.
I guess it is more normal when you are surrounded by the countryside and see and experience he life and death on the farms and land around you.
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Its the nature of the (TP) Beast Jp.
Some people know what they are talking about, even if no one else does, then there is the misinterpretations
the sly digs,and of course being offended for what ever reason on their or someone else's behalf.
I guess its tough being an "out of stater" and not following the trends.
Believe me, its even harder being a "born and bred" for countless generations and trying to figure out where (some) people are coming from
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As there is no mention of "people" and faces I guess its OK
Facial ballistic trauma: the solution to those who protest against fox hunting...
Posh purdey shot guns to be used for the infliction of facial ballistic trauma
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Personally I can understand the attraction, it does look like fun. But then so do a lot of other things I don't think people should do.
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That's not fair, it was a pre wedding sh**t, they were a lovely young couple and I hope I've got some nice sh**s of their faces.Definition :-
Ballistics (from Greek βάλλειν ballein, "to throw") is the science of mechanics that deals with the launching, flight, behaviour, and effects of projectiles, especially bullets, gravity bombs, rockets, or the like; the science or art of designing and accelerating projectiles so as to achieve a desired performance.
As there is no mention of "people" and faces I guess its OK
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I think that is a fair point indeed, and whether anyone should do it or not I guess depends on their own balance of the moral compass. I don't think it is alarming enough that people need to be protected from part-taking.
I guess it is like with many things, taking part is the real fun, if there is a kill its a bonus. Hey, just walking my dog through the fields, yup the scared big boy for those who have met him. He will go an try and get a kill; munkjack, rabbits, squirrels its all game if you pardon the expression.
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This is a really good point, many people keep dogs as pets, cats etc and don't seem to have a quible with their pet having a kill.
Why is fox hunting morally inferior to this?
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I have no issue with people having fun with their pets kill, so long as its not another person its killed.
However, the concensus on this forum is rather pro pet/pro dog and yet anti fox hunting. I thus put the question. Those who own dogs, but are anti fox hunting, can you explain how you deal with watching your dog kill other animals. Do you reward/condone this, or are you upset over the actions of your pet?
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So why keep cats?
Dogs on a hunt are just doing what dogs do. Hunting as a pack as this is what dogs do, or wolves anyway which dogs are related to.
Pet dogs (non working dogs) tend to chase alot and catch sod all to be honest
Cats on the other hand.......
My mates spaniel got a pheasant, it was hilarous....it almost made me want to get a dog, almost, just for a spectacle like that
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If it was anything like my cats years ago, catching crane fly's then puking the wings up all over the carpet
A lot depends on the strain, the instinct is there it just needs honing.
Take my (now deceased) GSP, (German short haired pointer), I sure as hell didn't get down on 4 legs and teach the bitch (sic) to point,
she knew how to do that from the off, (well almost) I just rewarded the behaviour.
She would also go off and point, and if I was too slow getting there (she was a bit of a ranger) she'd kill the rabbit and come find me (Bitch again!) that's something I never taught her to do that either
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Till you let them go out and they bring semi-dead mice and play all evening on the carpet... They even try to have a go at birds, even pigeons but mostly fail... mostly. Indoor cat may be not very efficient at doing it vs feral cat but they are plenty good enough.
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previous cat lived for 10 years before being knocked down only ever brought about 5 animals home in that time. she just wasnt a hunter
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I most definitely did not teach our dog how to catch a squirrel or a munk jack or a pheasant. Nor did any other human being. Yet he knows exactly what to do and has a decent success rate.
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Snap. I've never taught my Vizsla to point...hr just knows how to, and get rewarded. Same as I've not taught him to quarter a field....I think instinct is the word Ross is struggling for
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I'd a bit drunk
only a bit?
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maybe more hic
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I got two Springer Spaniels, who regularly catch Rabbits and the occasional Pheasant, neither has being trained to hunt, it
is in their nature to do so, go any place where there is a load of Brambles an its nose down and straight in looking for Rabbits.
But here is the thing, they have never killed, in fact they are both very soft mouthed, they always bring what they have caught to my hand
which I then release unharmed.
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There really never has been a ban on hunting foxes, they are classed as vermin, it was HUNTING WITH DOGS and that included a lot of other animals as well,
including deer which I personally do disagree with.
I know someone who does conservation control for local people and won't shoot a fox with anything that won't kill it instantly, anyone who walks through
out of the way areas would understand why, I have personally seen the results of an inexperienced or couldn't care less shot and the animal dying in agony
of it's wounds.
Very I'd say from that post.
Dogs don't need to be taught how to bark, jump fences, kill etc. the exact opposite, they have to be taught not to.
Nothing annoys me and probably a lot of other people then having a neighbour's dog barking endlessly, all mine
were taught to stop on command, would bark if someone entered my property but only for a few minutes.
They don't need to be taught to hunt and kill either, once they start chasing something instinct kicks in, my GSD cleared a
5 bar gate in pursuit of a deer, but training halted him in his tracks, strangely I had to open the gate and let him back through.
My little terrier/pbgv cross was a serious hunter of small animal, never been taught but both parents were working stock and the instinct was
high.
What about pet dogs that get in with livestock, are they taught to chase and kill sheep ? Nope once again instinct.
Go to a local country show that has a meet the hounds event and meet these vicious fox killing dogs, they are wonderful friendly animals
who love to be fussed, and not, as I've heard said out of control, the huntsman has full control over the entire pack, one command and
they obey, but they would never ever make good pets, so if the hunts disbanded they would all be destroyed, it really wouldn't be fair
to do do anything else
including deer which I personally do disagree with.
I know someone who does conservation control for local people and won't shoot a fox with anything that won't kill it instantly, anyone who walks through
out of the way areas would understand why, I have personally seen the results of an inexperienced or couldn't care less shot and the animal dying in agony
of it's wounds.
I'd a bit drunk
Very I'd say from that post.
Dogs don't need to be taught how to bark, jump fences, kill etc. the exact opposite, they have to be taught not to.
Nothing annoys me and probably a lot of other people then having a neighbour's dog barking endlessly, all mine
were taught to stop on command, would bark if someone entered my property but only for a few minutes.
They don't need to be taught to hunt and kill either, once they start chasing something instinct kicks in, my GSD cleared a
5 bar gate in pursuit of a deer, but training halted him in his tracks, strangely I had to open the gate and let him back through.
My little terrier/pbgv cross was a serious hunter of small animal, never been taught but both parents were working stock and the instinct was
high.
What about pet dogs that get in with livestock, are they taught to chase and kill sheep ? Nope once again instinct.
Go to a local country show that has a meet the hounds event and meet these vicious fox killing dogs, they are wonderful friendly animals
who love to be fussed, and not, as I've heard said out of control, the huntsman has full control over the entire pack, one command and
they obey, but they would never ever make good pets, so if the hunts disbanded they would all be destroyed, it really wouldn't be fair
to do do anything else
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Sadly, stupid and ignorant dog owners time-and-time again are content to leave their infants in the immediate vicinity of their dog. How many more injuries or deaths is it going to take these f***witts to realise that they shouldn't !!!! - how many deaths have there been over the years, I've lost count !
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and how would repealing the hunting with dogs act change that ?
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I've only just read through yesterday's post on this thread .... I suggest everyone subscribe to daugirdas; hilarious! (how's that for a positive contribution?)
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There really never has been a ban on hunting foxes, they are classed as vermin, it was HUNTING WITH DOGS and that included a lot of other animals as well,
including deer which I personally do disagree with.
I know someone who does conservation control for local people and won't shoot a fox with anything that won't kill it instantly, anyone who walks through
out of the way areas would understand why, I have personally seen the results of an inexperienced or couldn't care less shot and the animal dying in agony
of it's wounds.
Very I'd say from that post.
Dogs don't need to be taught how to bark, jump fences, kill etc. the exact opposite, they have to be taught not to.
Nothing annoys me and probably a lot of other people then having a neighbour's dog barking endlessly, all mine
were taught to stop on command, would bark if someone entered my property but only for a few minutes.
They don't need to be taught to hunt and kill either, once they start chasing something instinct kicks in, my GSD cleared a
5 bar gate in pursuit of a deer, but training halted him in his tracks, strangely I had to open the gate and let him back through.
My little terrier/pbgv cross was a serious hunter of small animal, never been taught but both parents were working stock and the instinct was
high.
What about pet dogs that get in with livestock, are they taught to chase and kill sheep ? Nope once again instinct.
Go to a local country show that has a meet the hounds event and meet these vicious fox killing dogs, they are wonderful friendly animals
who love to be fussed, and not, as I've heard said out of control, the huntsman has full control over the entire pack, one command and
they obey, but they would never ever make good pets, so if the hunts disbanded they would all be destroyed, it really wouldn't be fair
to do do anything else
In a couple of weeks time - New forest Show lasting for 3 days and there will be a "meet the hunt" slot, children will be encouraged to enter the ring and make a fuss of the dogs
foxes are a pest - I gave up poultry keeping partly due to losses to foxes. One day I let my ducks out of their pen and a fox took one almost under my nose. it sauntered across the farm track with the now dead duck as bold as brass The worst case I have heard of was a fox using a tree to climb over an electric fence into a pen containing 500 chickens. 3 survived. Like deer, when they were hunted they tended to be more wary. Many are infested with mange which can be caught by dogs.
On a local farm someone shoots foxes. The urban ones which are released locally don't last long, when he shines his torch and catches the foxes eyes, they don't have the sense to run for it. sitting target
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Come come we all know that doesn't happen
Damn do-gooders, I've seen them where I lived, the foxes can't survive in the wild, they like their meat cooked so they move into local inhabited
areas, become a pest raiding bins and get disposed of.
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ftfy
significantly fewer than there have been caused by cars, , bathtubs, or bizarrely curtains
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this is true - however fox hunting with a pack of beagles is a hugely ineffficient way of controlling them - a lamp, rifle, and long dog is both more humane, swifter, more efficient, and doesnt involve collateral damage or damage to the hedges, gates etc ... this is why many farmers are actually opposed to 'the hunt' but many don't have the choice to bar them from their land as they are tenants and the 'right ' of the hunt to cross the land has been reserved to the landlord
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More children are killed by their own parents each year than by pet dogs.
Perhaps we should make tighter controls over what type of "fcukwits" are permitted to breed.
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Learnt something new there I always thought Beagles and Harriers were more commonly used on hares
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beagles/foxhounds meh same difference -