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I'm finding lately there's been a few situations I've been in that I haven't been able to get away far enough for my 18-55mm IS lens to get the whole area in.

Could you give me an example of what lens I'd need to do this? The lowest zoom I can find is 16mm so I presume that the zoom figure isn't as clear cut as I originally thought. Could someone explain it to me please?
 
Ive got the 10-22mm and its field of view is huuuge! takes a lot of getting used to though especially the perspective it can make vertical lines seem very unusual.
 
Another vote for the Sigma 10-20, it's a great lens. Pick up one second hand and you're laughing.
 
Kryptix said:
I'm finding lately there's been a few situations I've been in that I haven't been able to get away far enough for my 18-55mm IS lens to get the whole area in.

Could you give me an example of what lens I'd need to do this? The lowest zoom I can find is 16mm so I presume that the zoom figure isn't as clear cut as I originally thought. Could someone explain it to me please?
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Are you mad! ;)

What about:
Canon 10-22mm
Sigma 10-20mm
Tokina 11-16mm

To name but three
 
Don't rule out the Tokina 12-24 F4
Not quite as wide as the others but I've never found at 12mm I want to go wider.
 
Kryptix said:
I'm finding lately there's been a few situations I've been in that I haven't been able to get away far enough for my 18-55mm IS lens to get the whole area in.

Could you give me an example of what lens I'd need to do this? The lowest zoom I can find is 16mm so I presume that the zoom figure isn't as clear cut as I originally thought. Could someone explain it to me please?
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You've not been looking hard enough or you've been discounting EF-S lenses for some reason. I know you have an aversion to non-Canon stuff (quite unsubstantiated I should think) but Canon EF-S 10-22, Sigma 10-20 etc.,
 
I've got the 10-22mm. fantastic lens and the huge wide angle is great for skies, cars etc
 
You also need to understand that you have a crop sensor and so your view will never be as wide as the lens can actually be. Canon's EF-S range are designed specifically for cropped sensors.
 
Any example pictures from a 10-22mm? :)
 
I had a 10-20 Sigma and loved it. However when it wasn't available I could usually manage by walking away from the subject.

Now before that's interpreted as nastiness it is worth noting (as has already been mentioned) that really wide angle lenses tend to give some bendy optical effects. There's no avoiding those without using your legs.

Personally I love the bendy, curvy effects that you get at 10mm, but not for all shots.

This is an example of a shot taken with the 10mm (where I couldn't get further away).

This is an example shot where I couldn't walk away, more on my stream.
 
For wide i went for the Tokina 10-17mm Fisheye :) I love it and i love the fisheh :P effect.

I would presume the 10-22 would be a great lens as my fish at 10mm is crazy wide can assume that the sigma will be the same.
 
This is from a 12-24 Sigma on a D700. I was backed into the corner and the walls at the edges of the frame are the walls I was touching. Not an artistically pleasing shot, I'll agree but it shows how wide 12mm is on FF. VERY little barrel or pincusion distortion at any length with this lens.

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I really want a Canon lens. Please don't slate me but I just want to stay with Canon equiptment.

Should I go for the EF-S 10-22mm?
 
Yes. Its the only crop sensor wide angle in Canons line up.

Try the Sigma EX 10-20 - at least look at it and consider it. Its a very nicely put together piece of kit and feels very sturdy. Its from their EX range which is Sigmas version of Canons L. I had one, sold it as I didn't use it that often, regretted it and bought another. Is the Canon worth £ 240 more than the Sigma?

Quite a price differential for 2mm extra at the long end and a half stop wider aperture.
 
Kryptix said:
I really want a Canon lens. Please don't slate me but I just want to stay with Canon equiptment.

Should I go for the EF-S 10-22mm?
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I'm not going to slate you, but here is my view.

I looked at both the Sigma and Canon lenses, then looked at the prices, and thought to myself that the saving by buying the Sigma far outweighed any potential increases in IQ that I really wouldn't notice or be able to tell, and if there came a time when I didn't want the lens, I knew there would be enough demand should I come to sell it.

The Sigma is a fantastic lens, gives some fantastic pics, if you was to budget for the Canon, buy the Sigma, you would then have money towards another lens or some other pieces of kit.

I can't praise it enough, and I really don't think you should discount it just because it is not a Canon.
 
An immaculate EF-S 10-22mm just went for £360 on eBay. How much do the Sigma's go for?

If I was to buy a Canon EF lens, what are my choices? Would that be silly on a crop-sensor camera?
 
Kryptix said:
An immaculate EF-S 10-22mm just went for £360 on eBay. How much do the Sigma's go for?

If I was to buy a Canon EF lens, what are my choices? Would that be silly on a crop-sensor camera?
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EF is either a 14mm prime or the 16-35mm L - both of which will be over £1K (www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/cat5.html)

So only 2 or 4 mm wider, and exceedingly expensive IMO.

The simga 10-20 is normally about 60-70% of the price of the canon 10-22.

The only reason I got the canon over the sigma was I managed to buy a rather large job lot, sell of the bits I didn't want, and got 10-22mm and 430EX II for under £200 (would have been free if not for eBay and PayPal)
 
Sigma 10-20 is my choice of weapon for wide angle, and the type of photography I do its usually planted at 10mm...........example. No notable distortion on the window verticles either..........

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You really shouldn't get hung up on just Canon glass, things have changed over the years and lenses from other manufacturers have improved no end, to the point where some are an improvement on the big two's offerings.
 
I love my sigma 10-20. I hove only had it a little while. Picked it up early last month from LCE in Southampton and paid the princely sum of £199. :D Boy was I happy. I nearly did a dance in the shop.
 
EF-S 10-22mm it is then... Thanks for your help guys! I'll let you know how I get on.
 
LoL, did you listen to the majority of recommendations in this thread??
 
vmlopes said:
LoL, did you listen to the majority of recommendations in this thread??
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I think his mind was made up even before he posted, I just think he wanted everyone to say "yes, stick to only Canon, it is your only choice"
 
It's not that, all these recommendation are coming from people who don't mind owning non-Canon equiptment. They're the same people who recommend a Hong Kong battery grip to save £50 over the genuine Canon grips. I only want Canon equiptment, yet still people suggested Sigma...

If you owned a 450D and you were offered a Sigma 10-20mm or a Canon 10-22mm for the same price, which would you choose?
 
Kryptix said:
It's not that, all these recommendation are coming from people who don't mind owning non-Canon equiptment. They're the same people who recommend a Hong Kong battery grip to save £50 over the genuine Canon grips. I only want Canon equiptment, yet still people suggested Sigma...

If you owned a 450D and you were offered a Sigma 10-20mm or a Canon 10-22mm for the same price, which would you choose?
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Can you get them for the same price though?

Most people agree that the canon is marginally better, but not worth the price difference.

If you can get them for the same price then get the canon, but good luck searching.

Saying Canon only makes you nothing more than a camera snob, give it a few more months and you'll only be using L glass
 
Kryptix said:
It's not that, all these recommendation are coming from people who don't mind owning non-Canon equiptment. They're the same people who recommend a Hong Kong battery grip to save £50 over the genuine Canon grips. I only want Canon equiptment, yet still people suggested Sigma...

If you owned a 450D and you were offered a Sigma 10-20mm or a Canon 10-22mm for the same price, which would you choose?
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To be fair, at the point that I had offered my view on the Sigma, I really didn't realise you only wanted Canon kit.

As for the choice of the two lenses, yes, I would like the Canon, but I honestly cant see how the difference in price would justify the Canon over the Sigma in terms of results, had the Canon been an L series, then yes, I would spend what Canon are asking, but they aren't, they are asking a premium compared to whats on offer by Sigma.

I have just ordered a grip from HK for my 40D, if it works, and is £75 less, then result for me, the name on it won't matter, as long as it does what is expected of it.
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
Why? Why should canon labelling it L make it worth more if optically it was still the same?
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So L series are nothing more than a different paint scheme?

Seems I misunderstood, I thought an L series was different grade components, including glass, had I know that, I wouldn't have got the 100-400, I'd have got the Sigma 50-500 and got extra reach

Learn something new every day, thank you for putting me straight.
 
48thEagle said:
So L series are nothing more than a different paint scheme?

Seems I misunderstood, I thought an L series was different grade components, including glass, had I know that, I wouldn't have got the 100-400, I'd have got the Sigma 50-500 and got extra reach

Learn something new every day, thank you for putting me straight.
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They are more than a different pain scheme (not all L lenses are white), and do have different coatings/elements but there are drawbacks; the push/pull zoom of the 100-400mm sucks in dust like a Dyson.

Canon recently updated their list of "pro" lenses, included were the 10-22mm and the EF-S 60mm macro - I'll try and find the thread.
 
Kryptix said:
It's not that, all these recommendation are coming from people who don't mind owning non-Canon equiptment. They're the same people who recommend a Hong Kong battery grip to save £50 over the genuine Canon grips. I only want Canon equiptment, yet still people suggested Sigma...

If you owned a 450D and you were offered a Sigma 10-20mm or a Canon 10-22mm for the same price, which would you choose?
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Sorry kryptix you are wrong. I personally would not recomend a third party grip but I would recomend third party glass. Optics are a personnal choice and there are a lot of optics snobs out there. Sigma make excellent optics and I very much doubt that you or 99.9% of people would be able to tell from looking at a picture if it was taken with a sigma or cannon or nikon lens, and if you think you can you are either sorely mistaken or a fair better photographer than me or many of the worlds best photographers.
 
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