First off i would dearly love to post all the Recorded voice conversations but from a legal point i cant.
Several months ago i sold something on Ebay and had my funds held by Paypal due to Unathorised Payment.
The funds were then returned to the Buyer and i was left out of pocket. (it wasnt a great amount).
This got me thinking though as i actually had MSN conversations with the Buyer as proof so i called up Paypal to annoy them and try and get some answers.
I called them up and spoke with one of their reps.
He told me they had suspicions about the sale and thats why they took the action they did.
I informed him i had proof the sale was totally legit and could email the proof.
We cant use it as proof was the reply. (strange i thought).
Why not?
Hang on sir and i will pass you to my supervisor.
Supervisor informs me that the alledged Buyer had called them to say their account had been hacked and they did not make that purchase.
Fair enough it happens i guess.
This is where it got really strange...
Supervisor - We returned the money and placed your account on hold as you might be money laundering.
Me --Ermm..what?.you calling me a Money Launderer?
Supervisor-- Well it looks as though you are due to the transaction.
Me-- Oh i see..Ok i will send this recording to the Newspapers as i think you have stepped way over the mark.
Supervisor -- What the Censored, you have no censored right to record this call.
**Hangs up on me***
Two minutes later both my Ebay and Paypal accounts were removed from the face of the planet.
Theres something just not right here i figured..
So with the help of a couple of friends and some non existant goods we set off to see what we could uncover..
What did we Uncover...
This..
Paypal users over the world are being approached by Chinese nationals in order to use their Paypal accounts to defraud millions in goods and they are getting away with it..
Heres how it works.
Someone buys something online from a Chinese based company.
Few days later they are approached by someone asking if they want to make a lot of money.
Those that agree are instructed on how it will work..
China based person buys goods on Ebay, (this has extended now to most East European Countries.)
He contacts one of the people who have agreed to take part in the Scam.
That person then gets the payment link from the chinese person and pays for the item.
(They only buy items of a tangible nature mostly but recently they have been trying this with normal items.)
(Also they choose the cheapest post method if its an item to be posted as no siganature, no proof).
Item is then transferred to the buyer. (tangible items are instant with no post).
Paypal account holder then lodges an Unathorised Transation complaint.
Goods are already gone so you have lost them.
Paypal refunds money instantly, no questions asked.
Now you may think this is impossible and it seems full of holes so we put it to the test.
I sold a Non Existant item to a friend out with Ebay.
He buys it.
I call paypal and tell them that i think the transaction is a little suspicious and could they contact the buyer to confirm he authorised it.
"I will put you on hold sir for a few minutes"
"Yes sir we have confirmed the buyer has bought the item"
Cool...He sends me payment then does the Unauthorised Transaction thing..Hahaha i say to him over msn, Paypal called you..Ermm no they didnt..What do you mean..they said they did..
Ok..lets see what happens.
Hmm..money refunded due to Unauthorised transaction.
I call Paypal and query it.
Yes sir the Paypal user said their account was hacked and we refunded the money..
But i called you 5 minutes ago and you said the Buyer had confirmed he bought the item, you said you called him and confirmed it.
Sorry sir we have no record of that call.
Ok..Im annoyed now so lets wait a few hours and try again.
We did with the same result.
I called Paypal and asked them if they did not think it suspicious that the same thing can happen within a couple of hours.
Did alarm bells not ring when you got the same "My account was Hacked Bulls^&t from the same user within a couple of hours?
I then went on and explained my Theory to the Paypal Agent. And what me and a few friends had been doing to prove it.
I can honestly say i have never had a phone put down on me so fast.
It also now appears that both my home phone number and Mobile are on Perma Banned by Paypal.
Several months ago i sold something on Ebay and had my funds held by Paypal due to Unathorised Payment.
The funds were then returned to the Buyer and i was left out of pocket. (it wasnt a great amount).
This got me thinking though as i actually had MSN conversations with the Buyer as proof so i called up Paypal to annoy them and try and get some answers.
I called them up and spoke with one of their reps.
He told me they had suspicions about the sale and thats why they took the action they did.
I informed him i had proof the sale was totally legit and could email the proof.
We cant use it as proof was the reply. (strange i thought).
Why not?
Hang on sir and i will pass you to my supervisor.
Supervisor informs me that the alledged Buyer had called them to say their account had been hacked and they did not make that purchase.
Fair enough it happens i guess.
This is where it got really strange...
Supervisor - We returned the money and placed your account on hold as you might be money laundering.
Me --Ermm..what?.you calling me a Money Launderer?
Supervisor-- Well it looks as though you are due to the transaction.
Me-- Oh i see..Ok i will send this recording to the Newspapers as i think you have stepped way over the mark.
Supervisor -- What the Censored, you have no censored right to record this call.
**Hangs up on me***
Two minutes later both my Ebay and Paypal accounts were removed from the face of the planet.
Theres something just not right here i figured..
So with the help of a couple of friends and some non existant goods we set off to see what we could uncover..
What did we Uncover...
This..
Paypal users over the world are being approached by Chinese nationals in order to use their Paypal accounts to defraud millions in goods and they are getting away with it..
Heres how it works.
Someone buys something online from a Chinese based company.
Few days later they are approached by someone asking if they want to make a lot of money.
Those that agree are instructed on how it will work..
China based person buys goods on Ebay, (this has extended now to most East European Countries.)
He contacts one of the people who have agreed to take part in the Scam.
That person then gets the payment link from the chinese person and pays for the item.
(They only buy items of a tangible nature mostly but recently they have been trying this with normal items.)
(Also they choose the cheapest post method if its an item to be posted as no siganature, no proof).
Item is then transferred to the buyer. (tangible items are instant with no post).
Paypal account holder then lodges an Unathorised Transation complaint.
Goods are already gone so you have lost them.
Paypal refunds money instantly, no questions asked.
Now you may think this is impossible and it seems full of holes so we put it to the test.
I sold a Non Existant item to a friend out with Ebay.
He buys it.
I call paypal and tell them that i think the transaction is a little suspicious and could they contact the buyer to confirm he authorised it.
"I will put you on hold sir for a few minutes"
"Yes sir we have confirmed the buyer has bought the item"
Cool...He sends me payment then does the Unauthorised Transaction thing..Hahaha i say to him over msn, Paypal called you..Ermm no they didnt..What do you mean..they said they did..
Ok..lets see what happens.
Hmm..money refunded due to Unauthorised transaction.
I call Paypal and query it.
Yes sir the Paypal user said their account was hacked and we refunded the money..
But i called you 5 minutes ago and you said the Buyer had confirmed he bought the item, you said you called him and confirmed it.
Sorry sir we have no record of that call.
Ok..Im annoyed now so lets wait a few hours and try again.
We did with the same result.
I called Paypal and asked them if they did not think it suspicious that the same thing can happen within a couple of hours.
Did alarm bells not ring when you got the same "My account was Hacked Bulls^&t from the same user within a couple of hours?
I then went on and explained my Theory to the Paypal Agent. And what me and a few friends had been doing to prove it.
I can honestly say i have never had a phone put down on me so fast.
It also now appears that both my home phone number and Mobile are on Perma Banned by Paypal.
