Why do people fly-tip?

In my local area we have what must be the UK's worst tipper , He or they dump 40 foot long HGV trailers ( Including a double decker ) in lay-bys fully loaded with all nast stuff , Even ended up with 2 dumped in the same lay bys , Just last week a caravan arrived full of crap at the same location , Unbelivable that they think it OK to do this :mad:
 
Unbelivable that they think it OK to do this :mad:

They should have their vehicles crushed and then spend the next twelve months clearing up the mess that they and others like them have made. Second offence five years doing the same.
 
I try not to involve myself in silly arguments, so I've put you on ignore.

If the guy is licensed but decides to fly tip, why would the council go after the customer. If my stuff is collected by them, should I spend a week or more following their van around to ensure that it's disposed properly?
 
If the guy is licensed but decides to fly tip, why would the council go after the customer.
Because that's how the law is written. The full government advice can be found here: Guidance for local authorities on household waste duty of care fixed penalty notices - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Note that the keystone of the advice is to be found in the second paragraph of the introduction...
The duty of care requires occupiers of domestic property to take all reasonable measures available to them in the circumstances to ensure that they only transfer household waste produced on that property to an authorised person.
What "reasonable measures" means will be decided in the courts and may vary from case to case. This is why there are both fixed penalty and court routes for prosecution, with the latter offering the option of far higher fines.

It's worth reading the whole page as a number of situations are discussed.
 
"The duty of care requires occupiers of domestic property to take all reasonable measures available to them in the circumstances to ensure that they only transfer household waste produced on that property to an authorised person."

So the licensed person to whom the household waste is transferred isn't authorised?
 
They are authorised to transport the waste, but the disposal side of it requires a Waste Management Licence and it is whoever holds this licence is who you need get the Waste Transfer note from. No need to follow them around lol, just acquire the note.

But in reality from my experience I don't think domestic customers need to worry, unless there's habitual evidence, and I would say it's reasonable to expect a domestic customer to believe that a licenced skip hire company will be dealing with the waste correctly.

I would estimate it a different story for businesses though. In particular, if you are regularly using somewhere to transport waste to then it is expected to do a site audit on it as well to ensure they are compliant.

Perhaps a focus of EA and SEPA is where a licenced Waste Management company subcontracts another company/haulier to take away their landfill waste, which ends up being fly tipped in order to avoid the huge landfill tax. The licenced Waste Management company is still responsible for that waste until it reaches a licenced and appropriate destination, hence ensuring you get the Waste Transfer note at the final destination. The haulier will also be vindicated.
 
So the licensed person to whom the household waste is transferred isn't authorised?
Just to be clear: I don't hold any view on this.

I'm pointing at the published information and people are free to interpret that information as they wish. My interpretation is that the Duty of Care requires the householder to make sure that the person to whom they give the waste is authorised to accept it and will dispose of it correctly. The Borough of Bromley advice is to apply the SCRAP principle: Your waste is your responsibility | Waste carriers | London Borough of Bromley
 
We have to book an appointment for our recycling centre (Kent again) and apparently it is quite difficult.
We’re in Kent too, near Ashford. Honestly it’s not difficult, just go to the council website, put in a few details, reserve a timeslot and it’s all sorted in a couple of minutes. The queue to get in was a bit long but then it’s a badly designed site at Ashford with a very narrow access road. Social distancing meant they only let in a few cars at a time too.
 
If the guy is licensed but decides to fly tip, why would the council go after the customer. If my stuff is collected by them, should I spend a week or more following their van around to ensure that it's disposed properly?

That's the point I was making. My bulky rubbish is collected by a registered/authorised/licenced collector. I can't really do much else than that so if he decides to dump it somewhere how would I even know left alone do anything about it....!

Anyway, I rarely comment on general threads like this as the result is always the same.
 
That's the point I was making. My bulky rubbish is collected by a registered/authorised/licenced collector. I can't really do much else than that so if he decides to dump it somewhere how would I even know left alone do anything about it....!

Anyway, I rarely comment on general threads like this as the result is always the same.
I think it's the fact that you said if he did fly tip your rubbish it wouldn't be your issue, and people are only pointing out that it could be your issue....if he did fly tip and got caught and it was proved it was your rubbish....granted it's not likely, but not impossible either.
 
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I think it's the fact that you said if he did fly tip your rubbish it wouldn't be your issue, and people are only pointing out that it could be your issue....if he did fly tip and got caught and it was proved it was your rubbish....granted it's not likely, but not impossible either.

Not if his rubbish is collected by a registered/authorised/licenced collector. ;)
 
I think it's the fact that you said if he did fly tip your rubbish it wouldn't be your issue, and people are only pointing out that it could be your issue....if he did fly tip and got caught and it was proved it was your rubbish....granted it's not likely, but not impossible either.

What Marc just said ^^

I suppose they could find a photo on my Farcebook of Christmas Dinner last year and recognise the table..... :facepalm:
 
Not if his rubbish is collected by a registered/authorised/licenced collector. ;)
That would seem to be the point.

My reading of the official advice is that if the householder has met the duty of care by only dealing with someone who they have confirmed is authorised, then they wouldn't be liable to prosecution, even if the carrier misbehaves, However, the way the rules seem to work, it's up to the householder to show that they have behaved in good faith if anything is wrong.
 
They will look for items of correspondence which could directly (or through a chain ) lead back to the waste producer. The licenced Waste Carrier is only part of your responsibility; you are also responsible that the waste ends up in a licenced Waste Management facility, regardless of who transports it there.

I can't speak for EA, but SEPA are very proactive and not just reactive. But I can only comment on B2B, however, I do suspect domestic producers (i.e. private individuals) would not be pursued unless they are involved consistently.

As for the OP original question, I would say it is quite simply down to money. Whilst greed will form part of it, when you consider that a Waste Management Licence for a medium sized facility can be £18,000 per year upwards (payable to SEPA (I'm not sure about EA fees)) along with all the other costs for waste separation which involves both excavators, wheeled shovels, trommels, fines refiners, picking lines along with the staff for them, reasonably sized land to store the various materials, crushers to turn the rubble and brick into 6F5 etc. Well, it's not a cheap operation to set up.

If you want to just take all the waste straight to landfill, well just looking at an 8 yard builders skip which can cost £170+ it can hold over 10 tonnes of weight if there is a lot of rubble or soil in it. Taking into account landfill tax is about to go up to £96.70 per tonne and rather unfairly VAT is charged on this tax (ridiculous if you ask me), and the net which goes to the landfill company can be around £20 per tonne. Essentially you can be looking at £116+ VAT per tonne to landfill waste, so you don't want to be taking rubble, soil and other heavy items like wood to landfill - but to separate waste you need a Waste Management Licence plus the setup as detailed above.

Typically, however, an 8 yard skip will hold an average of around 3-4 tonnes of waste, but if that's all sent to landfill then the skip has made a loss. They need to either take it to a licenced recycling facility which will charge roughly £110 to dispose of (unless it's full of crap upon which they may be charged a tonnage rate and screwed) leaving about £60 to go towards haulage and overhead costs (for the skip hire company) or they fly tip and make a lot more money.

I would find it unlikely that a skip hire company would fly tip, it's more likely the flat beds and caged vans, which are more likely to be unlicensed and without livery. Skip hire companies are more likely to find larger scale ways to avoid landfill tax of which there are quite a few.
 
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