Why are people buying electric cars?

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Steep said:
Millions riding horses can't be wrong... Can they?
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Look at most of the idiots on here using jpgs and raw when they could be using film still? Or people having a brick for a phone and now having smart phones.

Times change!!!
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
It doesn't bother me, so long as the government recovers the tax lost by people using the roads and not paying their share of the taxes to maintain those roads. Once the government sends a (back dated) bill to those drivers who charge their cars from the domestic electricity supply, I'll be just as happy with them as with any other driver.
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Then they should send a tax bill to the person driving a 1l Fiesta as they pay less tax than someone with a 3l 2 seat coupe!!! We all pay different rates of tax!
 
LeeRatters said:
I will have to give up. That's 3 replies to me now that just make no logical sense whatsoever.
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because there is no answer to your questions.
You drive a dirt cheap ICE, its suits your lifestyle....
you are an older person who doesn't see a future in spending that much on a car.

You have no interest in EV or its future..
 
Mr Bump said:
because there is no answer to your questions.
You drive a dirt cheap ICE, its suits your lifestyle....
you are an older person who doesn't see a future in spending that much on a car.

You have no interest in EV or its future..
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You don't have very much empathy for ordinary folks who cannot afford EV's. In fact, I would say you are quite insulting and ageist.
 
LeeRatters said:
I guess this is a mixture of part personal choice & part manufacturer availability.
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Mr Bump said:
because there is no answer to your questions.
You drive a dirt cheap ICE, its suits your lifestyle....
you are an older person who doesn't see a future in spending that much on a car.

You have no interest in EV or its future..
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I didn't initially ask a question. I said this up above. And after a response that didn't make any sense (like the others to follow) I gave a few examples to try to explaining it to you.

The Astra is available in ICE and EV - personal choice.
Jaguar will be EV only - manufacturer availability.

It's pretty simple really. I don't know why you copy and pasted a big list of car models with descriptions about the model. No relevance whatsoever followed my original comment.
 
Well while all opinions are valid, the convo here is about why people buy EVs, not why they don't. I see no reason why somebody should not start an ice thread for petrolhead types.
 
andya700 said:
You don't have very much empathy for ordinary folks who cannot afford EV's. In fact, I would say you are quite insulting and ageist.
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Exactly, to be honest I didn’t particularly like that comment, wasn’t nice, we are retired on a fixed income which is one of the reasons we don’t have an electric car
 
Not sure that Sophia drives an EV herself...
 
andya700 said:
You don't have very much empathy for ordinary folks who cannot afford EV's. In fact, I would say you are quite insulting and ageist.
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But in the future people will have EVs, they will become as affordable as the current ICE cars on offer, like any new tech, from VCR, TV through to cameras and anything else.

And while its perfectly fine to not like/want and EV for personal circumstances (your 10 yr old runaround is perfect for your needs), thats fine. But its the rubbishing of EVs generally and the lies many make up which devalues any discussion, like them catching fire, need to be recharged every day etc... There are plenty of things I cant afford but would still love.
 
Steep said:
Well while all opinions are valid, the convo here is about why people buy EVs, not why they don't. I see no reason why somebody should not start an ice thread for petrolhead types.
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The thing about all threads is that they go where the posters take them.

Besides which, in a democracy, the majority decide (a rule honoured generally in the breach, I know). That being the case, the 1,200,000,000 who drive cars with internal combustion engines should have the right to decide whether to allow the 60,000,000 fans of electric cars to dictate the situation.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
The thing about all threads is that they go where the posters take them.

Besides which, in a democracy, the majority decide (a rule honoured generally in the breach, I know). That being the case, the 1,200,000,000 who drive cars with internal combustion engines should have the right to decide whether to allow the 60,000,000 fans of electric cars to dictate the situation.
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But going back 120 years, the 10,000,000 who ride horses should have had the right to decide whether to allow the 10,000 car users to dictate the situation? Or the luddites in the 1700s when faced with modern machinery being introduced - should the fans of automation been allowed to dictate progress over the peasants on the land?

Change has to happen and change is often fought against. Many were against the introduction of drink drive laws in the 60s!

Not really sure the fans of EVs are dictating anything? The government(s) have decided that we need to move away from EV (and oil will run out at some point) so we have to look and adopt new things.
 
Just sharing this as it's amazed me, but maybe not as there seems to little in the way of quality or fairness these days.

I seen quite a few reports on the Chinese economy and EV sector recently and it all seems shocking. One of their biggest EV companies seems to be teetering on the edge but maybe too big for the government to let fail and in fact the whole industry seems to be a teetering house of cards only supported by subsidies. The subsidy system may explain the vast production numbers and some of the quality issues as companies seem to be firing cars out of the factory door with little if any thought for if they can sell them or quality. I've watched some tear down videos and they're just appalling and not just through poor quality assembly but through bad design too.

A friend bought Chinese SUV I'd never heard of and she enthused about it. It's not an EV just a petrol and it does look very nice and she got a fantastic deal and that's maybe a warning sign as it was probably too fantastic a deal to be true even considering cheaper production costs and near slave labour in China. The subsidies and the dumping of cars into foreign markets (and they are literally dumped in some countries, just parked up and left to rot in disused car parks and fields) is an issue that I think should lead to heavy tariffs or even blocking them from entering the country but even if "we" don't care about fairness and just want to take advantage and buy a cheap car I honestly wouldn't put anyone I cared about in the cars I've seen tear downs of. How these cars get a good crash rating I just don't know, back handers or maybe the test cars are different to production cars? I don't know but looking at the tear downs is just scary and I just don't believe the crash test stars.

This is maybe not totally on topic but I'd urge anything thinking of buying a Chinese car, EV or ICE, to look beyond the deal and think about longevity of the cars and the companies making them, real world crash performance and the fairness of buying cars produced in this way. The reports on the Chinese car industry and tear downs are all there to be found if anyone is interested.
 
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AndrewFlannigan said:
The thing about all threads is that they go where the posters take them.

Besides which, in a democracy, the majority decide (a rule honoured generally in the breach, I know). That being the case, the 1,200,000,000 who drive cars with internal combustion engines should have the right to decide whether to allow the 60,000,000 fans of electric cars to dictate the situation.
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But who is dictating anything? Your thinking is truly bizarre.
 
Here's another reason to buy electric. An MG5 bought new for £24,500 has done 172,000 miles and they've just sold it for £5000. Here's the good bit... Total cost of ownership, electricity, servicing and repairs over 3 years is £26,330. That works out at (if my maths is right) at 15p per mile driven. The battery is still 90% good which gives it a range of ~220 miles per charge.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM1keOJ5vjQ
 
Steep said:
Here's another reason to buy electric. An MG5 bought new for £24,500 has done 172,000 miles and they've just sold it for £5000. Here's the good bit... Total cost of ownership, electricity, servicing and repairs over 3 years is £26,330. That works out at (if my maths is right) at 15p per mile driven. The battery is still 90% good which gives it a range of ~220 miles per charge.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM1keOJ5vjQ
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If you'd ever sat in an mg5 you'll know those were 172,000 very unpleasant miles :)

But an electric estate for 5 grand with a 220 range is incredible.
 
JonathanRyan said:
If you'd ever sat in an mg5 you'll know those were 172,000 very unpleasant miles :)

But an electric estate for 5 grand with a 220 range is incredible.
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I drive an MG5 (done 75k & 94k miles) and it's one of the most comfortable cars to drive. Pain in the back to get in and out of but once you're in there it's just easy. Those are/were work cars and I had no choice but in the market for an EV myself now and one criterion at the top of the list is it has to be tall enough for my aging carcass to get in and out of.
 
Steep said:
I drive an MG5 (done 75k & 94k miles) and it's one of the most comfortable cars to drive. Pain in the back to get in and out of but once you're in there it's just easy. Those are/were work cars and I had no choice but in the market for an EV myself now and one criterion at the top of the list is it has to be tall enough for my aging carcass to get in and out of.
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Yeah they were absolutely built to a price to be work cars. Glad it works for you. As you may guess I hated it :)

Looks like you might be able to find a used bargain. I think this crazy depreciation is scare mongering. There's no obvious reason why an ev shouldn't run for a decade or so. It's just that nobody is sure yet and if they break it can be very costly.
 
Mrs Nod's Leaf was 10 years old when she changed it and still going well. Limited range BUT it always was - we knew its limitation as to range when she bought it and it did exactly what we wanted/needed it to at the time. Seen it since so someone else is enjoying it.
 
JonathanRyan said:
Yeah they were absolutely built to a price to be work cars. Glad it works for you. As you may guess I hated it :)

Looks like you might be able to find a used bargain. I think this crazy depreciation is scare mongering. There's no obvious reason why an ev shouldn't run for a decade or so. It's just that nobody is sure yet and if they break it can be very costly.
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The MG5 was of course originally a petrol car on a Vauxhall Astra chassis, with VW steering wheel, Renault Megane door parts... It's discontinued now so yeah some good bargains to be had. My current one is over 90k now and the lease is about finished. I'm hoping for something taller as I said above as a replacement, hopefully an MGS5 so I can get a few months test driving out of it before I buy one myself.
 

Why are people buying electric cars?​

They obviously fit their finances as purchasing a Polstar at £45k + and to sell after three and a half years later with 29k miles for £14k. Isn't what I call a bargain.
 
dcash29 said:

Why are people buying electric cars?​

They obviously fit their finances as purchasing a Polstar at £45k + and to sell after three and a half years later with 29k miles for £14k. Isn't what I call a bargain.
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doesn't really work like that though, a lot of cars in general are now leased or PCP so the final value is not relevant.
over the decades many people have purchased 3 year old ex business cars or ex PCP cars at cracking deals
its the bread and butter of most car dealerships, this means there will be cracking deals on used EVs more likely.
Most people that purchase cars outright keep them longer than 3+ years as it has always been painfull depreciation on most cars at 3 years.

according to google

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Mr Bump said:
doesn't really work like that though, a lot of cars in general are now leased or PCP so the final value is not relevant.
over the decades many people have purchased 3 year old ex business cars or ex PCP cars at cracking deals
its the bread and butter of most car dealerships, this means there will be cracking deals on used EVs more likely.
Most people that purchase cars outright keep them longer than 3+ years as it has always been painfull depreciation on most cars at 3 years.

according to google

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Yeah and these leasing companies are seeking government subsidy because they're fast losing money as the electric cars are worthless after agreements finish.
 
dcash29 said:
Yeah and these leasing companies are seeking government subsidy because they're fast losing money as the electric cars are worthless after agreements finish.
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behave you're taking bunkum , so some car companies are not making as much profit as they used to.
bottom line make better cars that are better value , follow the Dacia model. make cheaper cars, cheaper EVs and just sell an honest product.
 
Mr Bump said:
behave you're taking bunkum ...
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I don't think he is.

At the moment, the numbers are too small to make an accurate assessment on the trend in resale values but there's no doubt that the leasing companies will be the bellwether for resale value. The real question, to which we can't know the answer at this point, is: will governments keep to their intention of banning internal combustion engines for vehicles or not?

There seems to be evidence that the British government is getting cold feet about the 2030 cut off date, despite the conclusions of the 2024 report. I suspect they'll decide to extend that by at least 10 years soon enough, when they realise the very real problems facing the electorate and the inevitable backlash against whoever is in office when it happens.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I don't think he is.

At the moment, the numbers are too small to make an accurate assessment on the trend in resale values but there's no doubt that the leasing companies will be the bellwether for resale value. The real question, to which we can't know the answer at this point, is: will governments keep to their intention of banning internal combustion engines for vehicles or not?

There seems to be evidence that the British government is getting cold feet about the 2030 cut off date, despite the conclusions of the 2024 report. I suspect they'll decide to extend that by at least 10 years soon enough, when they realise the very real problems facing the electorate and the inevitable backlash against whoever is in office when it happens.
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people now are not buying EVs because of the 2030 cut off though, as explained before business is buying them for the BIK benefits the government will not roll back on that , also you are not telling the truth on the 2030 ban are you? most car sold between now are then will be hybrid sales of new hybrid vehicles will be permitted until 2035. What will be banned in or around 2030 is pure fuel cars.
 
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AndrewFlannigan said:
I don't think he is.

At the moment, the numbers are too small to make an accurate assessment on the trend in resale values but there's no doubt that the leasing companies will be the bellwether for resale value. The real question, to which we can't know the answer at this point, is: will governments keep to their intention of banning internal combustion engines for vehicles or not?

There seems to be evidence that the British government is getting cold feet about the 2030 cut off date, despite the conclusions of the 2024 report. I suspect they'll decide to extend that by at least 10 years soon enough, when they realise the very real problems facing the electorate and the inevitable backlash against whoever is in office when it happens.
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Your sig says: "Cause the least harm to the fewest people" in your sig, but you post that you are happy for the few to cause harm to the most. Now, I know you don’t believe in man-made climate change, but climate change is happening, and spewing CO2 makes it worse. The choices to reduce CO2 output are stop driving, Or go EV.

Oil WILL run out too. Surely it is good to be using alternatives to oil…
 
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Steep said:
Here's another reason to buy electric. An MG5 bought new for £24,500 has done 172,000 miles and they've just sold it for £5000. Here's the good bit... Total cost of ownership, electricity, servicing and repairs over 3 years is £26,330. That works out at (if my maths is right) at 15p per mile driven. The battery is still 90% good which gives it a range of ~220 miles per charge.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM1keOJ5vjQ
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Its a better deal at £5000 with 90% battery :cool:
 
vintageman said:
Its a better deal at £5000 with 90% battery :cool:
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True, there's not many ice cars that have done 170k miles and still have original brakes. The only reason they are selling that one is because they need bigger vehicles now.
 
used EV's can be bought for reasonably prices

- my daughter has just bought a 21 Plate, 32,000 mile BMW i3 for £12k - battery over 95% and guaranteed till 2030

- my son has just done the same - both are 2nd cars, BUT are being used MUCH more than their bigger ICE Estates

we also have an i3 which we bought as a pre registered model with less than 100 miles "on the clock'

There are quite a few i3's around with 70,000 miles plus 'on the clock"
 
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Mr Bump said:

Electric cars will be cheaper to buy, pledges minister​

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...but will she make internal combustion cars cheaper to buy?
 
The issue is the prices we pay..
I’m currently in Shanghai and 75% or more of all cars I’m seeing are EV.
Taxi’s are down and most use DIDI( uber) which again are mainly EV.
The prices here are eye wateringly cheap.
Ionic5N £38k/£60k(uk) model 3lr £28k/50k
Model y lr £38k/60k. Byd £16k lowest.
Zeeker 001/007 £30/40k ish.. these aren’t in the UK and are by far one of the nicest cars I’ve been in.

Regardless of what the haters say these Chinese EV’s are a step up from all manufacturers internally and tech anyway. The interiors top all the over priced Germans and tech is I hate to say maybe beating Tesla.

We got a DIDI back the other day and his Byd was £16k for a lr model( looked to be similar to a sea lion, they have way more models on offer) it costs him £2 to fully charge on a super charger. He said he paid it off in two years and is now pretty much a free money maker.

They don’t have huge subsidies at point of sale anyway. You just get a free registration plate. Which with ice cars you have to buy and they can cost thousands.
I asked about the charging situation and he said even with 24 million in that one city it’s never an issue to find a charger. Every block of flats have now installed blocks of chargers in their car parks.

His satnav was telling us how far to every junction/ if it was a pedestrian crossing/ the traffic lights and what signal they were plus one of two behind them( hundred meters or so up the road) when it was multi lane it showed exactly where each lane turned or went, again a junction or so ahead(not just telling you the lane u want)
Full surrounded camera/top 360 and had a version of byd’s fsd installed for free.
The ride was smooth and comfortable and what ever model it was it was at least as fast as my model 3 rwd lr.

But we will never experience this here as they will tax the s*** out of them before they arrive. They have so many makes and models from every brand and you see less and less German cars. No one buys their EV’s anyway. The prices are mainly low due to competition.
 
Mr Bump said:
no, why would you its about becoming cleaner and greener , ICE in the future is for losers
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So 95% of British drivers are losers?

Hmmm, that's one theory.
 
pmac said:
They don’t have huge subsidies at point of sale anyway. You just get a free registration plate. Which with ice cars you have to buy and they can cost thousands.
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So, another example of a government using tax payers money to bribe a few tax payers into buying something. If these things really are such a good idea, there should be no need to bribe people into switching to them.
 
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