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Conceptual art is by definition primarily concerned with the concept, and to a limited and subsidiary extent with the means. The concept may not even have a Subject.
I'm sorry but I disagree strongly. The art may not DEPICT the subject objectively, but to say the concept HAS no subject is actually an impossibility.
Many such artists do not even see the need to do any of the physical work at all, but leave it to helper technicians to create their vision for them.
A) Not many do, but B) That's irrelevant. Gregory Crewdson never actually touched (or rarely touched) a camera in the production of his work, but that doesn't mean he's not a photographer. We don't accuse a film director of not being able to put claim to the movies they produce because they aren't also the camera man, focus puller, runner, gaffer etc. We solely attribute the artistic merit to the director, and quite rightly so.
I am not talking about people who see photography as an art, as the clearly do not, they see photography as a tool in the same way a painter sees a brush and paint as tools, who can equally use palette knives and found detritus to make their marks.
Again I disagree strongly. Fine art photographers (hate the term, but there you go...) very definitely DO see photography as a tool in exactly the same way. The very ambiguous nature of the image being separate from context... immediacy/actuality vs. context and meaning is the very thing that drives most artists to use the medium in the first place.
I would go so far as to say, that the conventual use of Photography rarely produces art. not that it can not.
Really?? I'm assuming you've made a typo with "conventional" there, as that's the only possible explanation for that sentence. I'm baffled how you can make such a statement though.... photography rarely produces art? Care to explain that further?
Most photographs sold, as art, are little more than attractive or interesting pictures with little if any artistic content.
Sold by whom, to who? I'm beginning to think you have a fairly distorted view of what constitutes art in photography. Look what happens when it IS sold as art in a high profile way... I hate to bring him up.. but Gursky? Most in here would think it's neither attractive, or interesting. Most think it's crap, and boring.
Artistic ability is rare in any medium, Photography no less.
Where's this coming from? How can you say artistic ability is rare? It may not be the majority, but using the word "rare" is pushing things a bit too far IMO.
The set of students micrographs that you showed earlier in the thread, could have been produced by any first year scientific or medical photographer, and with rather more skill.
Its art content is as little more than found objects.
But they would A) never be thought of as art, and B) they would be taken as scientific samples and discarded unless needed for archiving/research. At no point would they be used to illustrate a concept that has nothing whatsoever to do with a concept outside of the actual medical reason they were being produced. What the artist has done is re-contextualise the output from that medium, to make a point, to make us think about our bodies in a different way. THAT'S the difference. The fact that they could have been taken by any 1st year medical students is utterly irrelevant. The majority of what William Eggleston shot COULD have been taken by anyone with a camera... so?
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Small Blue Butterfly, inside my camera bag! 25th-May-2014.
Jumping Spider, on a plastic garden toy! 6th-May-2014.