Why are all Macro shots in here of insects?

Conceptual art is by definition primarily concerned with the concept, and to a limited and subsidiary extent with the means. The concept may not even have a Subject.

I'm sorry but I disagree strongly. The art may not DEPICT the subject objectively, but to say the concept HAS no subject is actually an impossibility.


Many such artists do not even see the need to do any of the physical work at all, but leave it to helper technicians to create their vision for them.

A) Not many do, but B) That's irrelevant. Gregory Crewdson never actually touched (or rarely touched) a camera in the production of his work, but that doesn't mean he's not a photographer. We don't accuse a film director of not being able to put claim to the movies they produce because they aren't also the camera man, focus puller, runner, gaffer etc. We solely attribute the artistic merit to the director, and quite rightly so.


I am not talking about people who see photography as an art, as the clearly do not, they see photography as a tool in the same way a painter sees a brush and paint as tools, who can equally use palette knives and found detritus to make their marks.

Again I disagree strongly. Fine art photographers (hate the term, but there you go...) very definitely DO see photography as a tool in exactly the same way. The very ambiguous nature of the image being separate from context... immediacy/actuality vs. context and meaning is the very thing that drives most artists to use the medium in the first place.

I would go so far as to say, that the conventual use of Photography rarely produces art. not that it can not.

Really?? I'm assuming you've made a typo with "conventional" there, as that's the only possible explanation for that sentence. I'm baffled how you can make such a statement though.... photography rarely produces art? Care to explain that further?


Most photographs sold, as art, are little more than attractive or interesting pictures with little if any artistic content.

Sold by whom, to who? I'm beginning to think you have a fairly distorted view of what constitutes art in photography. Look what happens when it IS sold as art in a high profile way... I hate to bring him up.. but Gursky? Most in here would think it's neither attractive, or interesting. Most think it's crap, and boring.

Artistic ability is rare in any medium, Photography no less.

Where's this coming from? How can you say artistic ability is rare? It may not be the majority, but using the word "rare" is pushing things a bit too far IMO.


The set of students micrographs that you showed earlier in the thread, could have been produced by any first year scientific or medical photographer, and with rather more skill.
Its art content is as little more than found objects.

But they would A) never be thought of as art, and B) they would be taken as scientific samples and discarded unless needed for archiving/research. At no point would they be used to illustrate a concept that has nothing whatsoever to do with a concept outside of the actual medical reason they were being produced. What the artist has done is re-contextualise the output from that medium, to make a point, to make us think about our bodies in a different way. THAT'S the difference. The fact that they could have been taken by any 1st year medical students is utterly irrelevant. The majority of what William Eggleston shot COULD have been taken by anyone with a camera... so?
 
If you look at my first post which we are discussing in this exchange. Post #65
I never called any of my groups "photographers". I called them sorts of people interested in taking photos.
which is quite different, and akin to camera users by need rather than choice.

My mistake.

A photographer is primarily interested in Photography.

Which is why I would never describe myself as such.
 
I'm sorry but I disagree strongly.

But they would A) never be thought of as art, and B) they would be taken as scientific samples and discarded unless needed for archiving/research. At no point would they be used to illustrate a concept that has nothing whatsoever to do with a concept outside of the actual medical reason they were being produced. What the artist has done is re-contextualise the output from that medium, to make a point, to make us think about our bodies in a different way. THAT'S the difference. The fact that they could have been taken by any 1st year medical students is utterly irrelevant. The majority of what William Eggleston shot COULD have been taken by anyone with a camera... so?

I am afraid that sort of gobbledygook says it all.

How you get that from those micrographs I have no Idea... perhaps it required the caption to explain it to us.
I do not accept that a set of illustrations become art because they are recontextualised.
Like all schools of art in their time, Conceptual art has probably reached the nadir before it it replaced by something new.
Some schools of art had very few masters that have survived the cut of history. I think conceptual art will be one of them.

Even the high ground of impressionism became so popular that it came to represent "chocolate box" art and was reviled for its popularity.
Who knows Banksy might well represent our time, more than any conceptual art ever could.

I have a very low opinion of the fashionable Fine art of our time. What survives the sieve of posterity might show a different side to our art legacy altogether.
 
Facebook for all its sins has very many Photographers who fall in to the category of art photographers, I even have a number of their works turn up on my pages from time to time.
Very many of them work in large to Super large format (my word) using traditional modern and ancient processes. There seems to be something of an international network of like minded people that have linked quite organically.
I have stopped adding friends to my FB as I no longer contribute anything. And rarely visit it.

But I am fascinated by the quality and interest of the work these people are creating.
The cost of producing some of it must be phenomenal, and I am mystified how they continue to survive on their output, however good it might be.
The few I ever see on my pages are the tip of an iceberg, and the work you can find by following random links is mindblowing.
Photography is alive to be sure, but it is establishing a very private world.
 
I am afraid that sort of gobbledygook says it all.

..and thinking it's gobbledygook has just removed any credibility you may have had. When so many published texts by eminently qualified practitioners and academics agree with me, and you dismiss it as gobbledygook, it means you just don't read enough, or research enough about this to have an informed opinion.
 
How you get that from those micrographs I have no Idea... perhaps it required the caption to explain it to us.
I do not accept that a set of illustrations become art because they are recontextualised.

Then you are wrong. Re contextualising work is a very common way to approach a theme. You not accepting it, when you're neither qualified, or learned enough about it doesn't qualify your statement. It's merely your opinion, which is valid... for you... but not really something you can use to try and explain how art works to the wider audience. I stand by your right to think what you like about it, but it's credibility stops there.

Appropriated imagery, and placing imagery in other contexts is one of the foundation stones of modern art, and has been so for well over a century now, yet somehow you feel it's not valid. What do you know that we all don't?

Let me break it down simply. You want to produce work that speaks about the fragility of the human body... how do you do that in a way that engages people? Portraits of people looking fragile and vulnerable?... no.. that's 1st year undergrad thinking. Documentary images of injury cases? No... done to death, and becomes pure document that may have educational value, but isn't really innovative or challenging for the viewer. So.. why are we so fragile?... because we're soft... why are we soft, because we're mostly water... so all our critical systems are easily damaged, both physically and pathologically. Hmmm.. how can I show that in a way that intruiges and challenges. Well.. let's see... in what context are these matters normally discussed?.. yeah.. in a medical context. So the language.. the lexicon and vocabulary of this theme is medical. So.. what if we go close... what is we show the very parts, fluids, capillaries... the range of subject matter germane to the issue in a way that medical experts would be viewing them and assessing them (or the popular perceived myth of how they would view them at least)... done in a way so that everyone can "feel" the context.

See where this is going?

Can you still not get that from the microscope imagery? Even when explained? What would you have done Terry... taken a portrait of someone injured? Tell us.. how would YOU have tackled the subject? Put your money where your mouth is :)


Like all schools of art in their time, Conceptual art has probably reached the nadir before it it replaced by something new.
Some schools of art had very few masters that have survived the cut of history. I think conceptual art will be one of them.

Of course, but you say this as if it will fail due to inherent problems of the movement, rather than a natural evolution. You also assume there there will be no masters of this movement etc etc... yet you've still to actually explain what this art movement is. You talk of conceptual art as if it's something new :) Of course, like most other opinions you're giving, it's inaccurate in the extreme.

Even the high ground of impressionism became so popular that it came to represent "chocolate box" art and was reviled for its popularity.
Who knows Banksy might well represent our time, more than any conceptual art ever could.

And what would be wrong with that?

Impressionism has been, and gone, and some would dismiss it as chocolate box, but I have problems with that: A) Much of it isn't, and B) ALL art movements evolve, change, and eventually becomes surpassed. This doesn't mean there was something inherently WRONG with it... just that things evolve. What's regarded highly NOW will no longer be in the future. You speak as if only GREAT art transcends time, but that's [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER], because there IS no art movement that has achieved that. It's all of it's time, and and a reflection of the Zeitgeist. People change, societies change, politics change, culture changes... art REACTS to these changes.

Name me ONE art movement that has remained immobile over time.. just one Terry.



I have a very low opinion of the fashionable Fine art of our time.

That's because perhaps YOU are not of our time.

What survives the sieve of posterity might show a different side to our art legacy altogether.

What is it with people who have a half grasp of art and their insistence that only that which stands the test of time is valid. It's valid HISTORICALLY, of course, but what happens NOW really matters, as that shapes the present. There's no such thing as purely objective history. History is written by the "great white male" as Grayson Perry puts it.. "Default Male". History has a political agenda to be used as spin for the present. The great thing about art NOW (any now.. even past nows, and future nows) is that it's affected from the ground up. History is affected from the top down.

What you have Terry, are opinions, but opinions are only really of any value if they are fully informed and considered, and you just place far to much personal preference into your thought processes when it comes to judging art. There's so much great art out there I do not like... really.. really do not like... however, I know enough about art to know whether it's good or not. Liking it personally is utterly and completely irrelevant. Can art be measured objectively as to whether it's good or bad? Yes. It can. Liking it or not, is neither here nor there. Understanding it is. As the saying goes... "It's the difference between knowing you're sh1t, and knowing your sh1t".
 
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On a slight tangent but, I believe, related to art -

Last night I was watching Brian Cox's new series about human evolution, asking what made us different?

At one point the prof. said that, in early human history, a person was able to look at a rock and see a spear.

It really struck a chord with me and, in ways I have still to consider, has added to my appreciation of all art.
 
Pookyhead
as usual we agree about very little.
I have probably spent more time in art galleries, working with and rubbing shoulders with artists and indeed working in an art/academic environment than most people.
There seems to be a massive divide beween the world of art and academic art, and the other world of art investing.
long term art collecting families seem to have a rather better track record in recognising future trends.

However that divide between artist and academia seems to have always been the case. With many of the more sucessful artists either dropping out of, or not being accepted by, or indeed sacked from their art schools. By their nature art schools always have and perhaps must always follow not lead.

I think that working too long in a narrow academic role teaching any form of art is self defeating, where it becomes easy to believe parochial opinion is fact. You have certainy reached the stage where you believe your own opinions must be correct because they seem to coincide with that of your academic peers. (a blind academic is still blind what ever the circumstances of his compatriots) you believe non academic opinion to be wrong, almost by definition. I firmly believe that the world revolves around the sun. It never has been pookycentric.
On occasions I have defended your opinons about of photography, on other occasions I think you have been totally wrong.
However I haver never stooped to saying you are ignorant, or uneducated, whatever the provocation.
 
Some people can look at an unmade bed and see a work of art. The clever ones can even convince others that it's art. Hans Christian Andersen wrote a story about it.

I have absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of early humans looked at a rock, and saw a rock.
 
So anyway, I was processing an image and listening to the news that was on in the background. It was a report about some newly discovered cave paintings in Indonesia and, according to the reporter, would re-write the book on early human art and creativity. In fact he made the bold statement that it represented the point at which our species became human (a bit far fetched if you ask me) The paintings were mainly pictures of animals.

This is what I was processing:

Hairy Shieldbug by Tim.Garlick, on Flickr

Its a a stack taken from 22 images at F8 of a live Hairy Shieldbug (Dolycoris baccarum), so it took some processing as it was lifting it's body up slightly without me realising. I would like the opportunity to shoot one again, without so much movement (and therefore errors in the stack) and possibly with a bit better background, so I'll keep trying, but overall I think this one is OK. It's also a new species for my "collection."

It may not be at the forefront or pushing the boundaries of art but it did occur to me that maybe this type of thing is just a recent incarnation of a creative tradition that goes back 40,000 years.
 
Pookyhead

There seems to be a massive divide beween the world of art and academic art, and the other world of art investing.
long term art collecting families seem to have a rather better track record in recognising future trends.

You mean like investing millions in a Gursky print, even though most in here dismiss it as utter crap? :)

Would you like to explain the difference between art and academic art please?

I have absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of early humans looked at a rock, and saw a rock.

Then along comes someone who saw the potential in that rock... oh, and how they laughed... :)
 
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Well that's a turn up for the books?
David criticises a genre of photography and 3 pages later people are making weird statements about 'photography as art'.

Well it was either going to be that or 'those that can do...'

:facepalm:
 
Well that's a turn up for the books?
David criticises a genre of photography and 3 pages later people are making weird statements about 'photography as art'.

Well it was either going to be that or 'those that can do...'

:facepalm:

IMHO, I do not think that he is criticising it ……. I just think that he does not want to understand or value it, (and other subjects), as a photographic activity …….. in a similar way that I would much rather walk around an oil refinery, steel works, (much of my early working life was spend in Sheffield), or the Outeniqua mountains than any art gallery, (part of my working life was involved in the production of fine art calendars for the Amsterdam Museums).
Far more art in a steel works or oil refinery, the sight, the life, the smell, the noise, the people and the engineering. Nature has far more to do with art that a so called artist with a camera or a guy throwing paint on a canvas that "investors" collect to diversify their assets portfolio.
A lot of these "so called" art critics and even artists need to "get a life" and stop "conning" the world
 
A lot of these "so called" art critics and even artists need to "get a life" and stop "conning" the world

Surely if you think they are 'conning the world' then you've rumbled them and they are not conning the world, only a part of that world which seems perfectly happy to be 'conned' by them or which actually accepts what they are doing and therefore isn't being conned.
 
Surely if you think they are 'conning the world' then you've rumbled them and they are not conning the world, only a part of that world which seems perfectly happy to be 'conned' by them or which actually accepts what they are doing and therefore isn't being conned.

No, to a great extend some art investment is a con by a conspiracy of "conners" who are just trying to out con others and keep ahead of the game, mainly for financial reward ……… some famous so called artists are part of this circle of falsehood, they feed off it and promote it ………… I may have rumbled them in my mind, you may have rumbled them, many may have rumbled them but many are happy to promote the falsehood for personal speculative gain and some, the intermediaries and markets benefit from "profits" but do not suffer "losses" …….. my point is that all this so called "art" is just artificial compared with the true art of nature………but I have no time for it so I am totally bias and I find a lot of art no more than "trash" ………. and most of the other stuff is a function of supply and demand converted into a financial value, it is a financial commodity and some of the "modern" stuff is created as such…………. it is as much to do with art as a lavatory seat ….. but as you can see I am totally misguided and I just prefer nature, Dragon and Damselflies, bugs on a leaf and birds on a still ….. true art that everyone has access to
 
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Found this quote which I think is very fitting to this thread.

Robert Downey Jr. — 'Listen, smile, agree, and then do whatever the *frick you were gonna do anyway.' :D

-* Amended rude word :jawdrop:
 
does it matter at the end of the day. People will take photos that please them (for the most part). Its their choice surely. If you have no interest don't look. Simples ;)
 
No, to a great extend some art investment is a con by a conspiracy of "conners" who are just trying to out con others and keep ahead of the game, mainly for financial reward ……… some famous so called artists are part of this circle of falsehood, they feed off it and promote it ………… I may have rumbled them in my mind, you may have rumbled them, many may have rumbled them but many are happy to promote the falsehood for personal speculative gain and some, the intermediaries and markets benefit from "profits" but do not suffer "losses" …….. my point is that all this so called "art" is just artificial compared with the true art of nature………but I have no time for it so I am totally bias and I find a lot of art no more than "trash" ………. and most of the other stuff is a function of supply and demand converted into a financial value, it is a financial commodity and some of the "modern" stuff is created as such…………. it is as much to do with art as a lavatory seat ….. but as you can see I am totally misguided and I just prefer nature, Dragon and Damselflies, bugs on a leaf and birds on a still ….. true art that everyone has access to

What you're talking about is the 'art market' which is business, promotion, and investment. You're suggesting that the artists involved are insincere and cynical in their endeavours (I concede some will be) which isn't always the case. To appear to condemn all of contemporary art out of hand on this basis is just daft.

I don't buy 'the true art of nature' bit. Nature is simply the result of evolution, that you find it beautiful is pure chance. Art has to be something made from an idea, not the result of Darwinian processes.
 
Honestly, arguments about what is and isn't art are amongst the most pointless out there. I don't know why the label 'but it is art' comes with such a lofty, snobby, pretentious 'I'm better than you' attitude, I really don't. One man's art is another man's scribble and really just reflects a personal bias. Photography is as much art as it is craft, and if a pic makes people happy then I'm perfectly happy with it, regardless of whether it is considered art or not.

*ducks*
 
So anyway, I was processing an image and listening to the news that was on in the background. It was a report about some newly discovered cave paintings in Indonesia and, according to the reporter, would re-write the book on early human art and creativity. In fact he made the bold statement that it represented the point at which our species became human (a bit far fetched if you ask me) The paintings were mainly pictures of animals.

This is what I was processing:

Hairy Shieldbug by Tim.Garlick, on Flickr

Its a a stack taken from 22 images at F8 of a live Hairy Shieldbug (Dolycoris baccarum), so it took some processing as it was lifting it's body up slightly without me realising. I would like the opportunity to shoot one again, without so much movement (and therefore errors in the stack) and possibly with a bit better background, so I'll keep trying, but overall I think this one is OK. It's also a new species for my "collection."

It may not be at the forefront or pushing the boundaries of art but it did occur to me that maybe this type of thing is just a recent incarnation of a creative tradition that goes back 40,000 years.

Great Shield Bug shot Tim, I like the way you have shown innovation with this image, by breaking from the norm, and pushing the boundaries beyond the safety net of "The Bug on a Stick" Genre.

I'd like to push these boundaries further still if i may...



I call this "Luna Lepidoptera"...(because any worthy work of art, deserves a name...right!!!).

My image falls in that well known "modern movement" called "Accidental Art"...It wasnt planned, not set up...it...well, it just happened...it became...it was...it is.
My image is a fusion of man made fibres, meets mother nature.......................................................OK, enough of the BS, its just a Butterfly in my camera bag!!!!!!!!!!!!...But damn it...its art...I know art when i see it!

Enjoy.

Note- The Small Blue butterfly has a typical wingspan of 16-24mm.




Small Blue Butterfly, inside my camera bag! 25th-May-2014. by Testudo Man, on Flickr
 
It's a marriage of the natural and the synthetic
 
@Testudo Man Well legend has it an early "bug" with computers was caused by a moth amongst the circuitry, so it would be very appropriate.
 
You mean like investing millions in a Gursky print, even though most in here dismiss it as utter crap? :)

Would you like to explain the difference between art and academic art please?



Then along comes someone who saw the potential in that rock... oh, and how they laughed... :)

Most of Gursky work is exceptionally well executed "If repetitive" The repetitive designs in the human world seems to be what he finds interesting.
And they are certainly eye catching in the scale he prints them, However they still work when shown in miniature form. Their quality as art is not in question in my mind.
While I agree there is such a thing as art of the moment (your previous post) history finds little space for the ephemeral except perhaps to note its passing.

In my mind Gursky is a take on Pollock using real objects, rather than abstract marks.
Whether it is worth the prices paid for it only time will tell. Unfortunately photographic prints have a shelf life that is self depreciating, and few can last in viewable condition much above 200 years.

The dictionary definition of academic-Art is...
  1. (art) A style of art influenced by European art academies, especially one which lacks innovation or individualism; academism.

I perhaps would not be so unkind, but define it as Art defined by the work of the previous generation. While it encourages originality, it is shocked by real change.
 
It's a marriage of the natural and the synthetic

Good call...I like it...

Heres another from me...I call it..."Polypropylene Predator"...............................or, just a Jumping Spider on a plastic toy!


Jumping Spider, on a plastic garden toy! 6th-May-2014. by Testudo Man, on Flickr

@Testudo Man Well legend has it an early "bug" with computers was caused by a moth amongst the circuitry, so it would be very appropriate.

Power to the moths...Lepidotera is just toying with mankind!
 
Photographic Art - a serious question

Can you guys post what you think is your photographic art - I may have used the wrong words as I am clueless about even how to start

I'll look through my images to see if I have taken anything by accident that I may consider as such and post if for comments

It is a genuine request - I would just like to know even how to start the process

please exclude all this "nude" stuff …….

The best I can do, I think, and I have no idea why, other than it looks back and then forward and causes me to think about the (my) past and the future is below …… plus the chimney is majestic and the "art" graffiti is not! plus I quite like the tyre tracks going round and round the island …… maybe they remind me of the world today and life for many

title: which way next

chimney_BW.jpg


chimney.jpg

OK mate, Im gonna have a crack at this image for ya...no offence intended either...Ive never once offered critique on anyone's image on this forum...mainly because Im brutally honest, and would no doubt offend, so i dont travel that path.

You know what forget that, lets just look at this image from another angle...
You see those tyre tracks/marks around the r/about...well thats you, thats your "Bug on a Stick" mind set, you need to get your ass off the r/about, choose one of the exits, leave the rest of us traveling the same path/road, leave us stuck on that r/about...be a leader, be an innovator...break free from the norm. ;)
 
IMHO, I do not think that he is criticising it ……. I just think that he does not want to understand or value it,

Nope. I just don't get why an entire forum devoted to macro is predominantly bugs. I thought I'd made that clear. Nothing against shots of insects per se... but when an entire forum is almost completely taken over with them it just gets a bit tired. It isn't an insect forum, it's a macro forum. I'm starting to get fed up with all the bloody kid photos in people and portraits too, but it's not reached epidemic proportions yet.

Honestly, arguments about what is and isn't art are amongst the most pointless out there. I don't know why the label 'but it is art' comes with such a lofty, snobby, pretentious 'I'm better than you' attitude, I really don't. One man's art is another man's scribble and really just reflects a personal bias. Photography is as much art as it is craft, and if a pic makes people happy then I'm perfectly happy with it, regardless of whether it is considered art or not.

*ducks*

No one's saying photography isn't art.. least of all me.
 
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Nope. I just don't get why an entire forum devoted to macro is predominantly bugs. I thought I'd made that clear..

It's because they tend to be a bit more interesting than household objects, more challenging and easily accessible to most people so a lot of people like to shoot them. I can't figure out what else there is to get?
 
plus there is a tremendous variety and the camera can see what the eye sometimes cannot until confronted with the image
 
surely if you want to see shots in macro forum that arent bugs the answer is to post some ?
 
Nope. I just don't get why an entire forum devoted to macro is predominantly bugs. I thought I'd made that clear. Nothing against shots of insects per se... but when an entire forum is almost completely taken over with them it just gets a bit tired. It isn't an insect forum, it's a macro forum. I'm starting to get fed up with all the bloody kid photos in people and portraits too, but it's not reached epidemic proportions yet.
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you don't have to look at them - I'm not a fan of the "zoo & captive" forum, in fact I find it quite repulsive - I just never look at any of the postings unless by accident

but it would be great to have a "photographic art forum" …...
 
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In my mind Gursky is a take on Pollock using real objects, rather than abstract marks.
Whether it is worth the prices paid for it only time will tell. Unfortunately photographic prints have a shelf life that is self depreciating, and few can last in viewable condition much above 200 years.

You raise an interesting point. The digital file will probably still exist. Nothing in any sale contract will stipulate how long the print can last for.. I wonder if there's a whole host of future legal cases to get reprints made. Certainly historically, when you buy art, there's an expectation that an oil painting, or a piece of sculpture, or even a archivally stable silver based print will last a very, very long time... so what happens when that Gursky giclée print fades in 250 years? Will its current owner sue for a reprint?

The dictionary definition of academic-Art is...

This is why the dictionary is woefully inadequate sometimes. Academic art as you seem to insist it's called, is not afraid of change.. it embraces it. It's its very life blood.


I perhaps would not be so unkind, but define it as Art defined by the work of the previous generation. While it encourages originality, it is shocked by real change.

Afraid not. It's very critical of stasis. It was very quick to decry the plethora of Dusseldorf inspired portraiture when it became popular, and it was quick to decry "new topographics" from the same Germanic origins. It constantly seeks to embrace the new.. it craves the new. It still reveres what's gone before of course, but you can't keep churning out Thomas Ruff look-a-likes and expect to be treated with anything more than contempt.


It's because they tend to be a bit more interesting than household objects, more challenging and easily accessible to most people so a lot of people like to shoot them. I can't figure out what else there is to get?

So it's bugs or household objects? You can go in close to anything in the entire world, but it's either bugs or household items?

surely if you want to see shots in macro forum that arent bugs the answer is to post some ?

I don't shoot ANY macro... so does that mean I'm not entitled to discuss it?
 
So it's bugs or household objects? You can go in close to anything in the entire world, but it's either bugs or household items?
No you can shoot pretty much anything with a macro lens (maybe the moon might be an issue), but people like to shoot insects for the reasons I and others have given multiple times. This is why that section is full of insects.
 
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I don't shoot ANY macro... so does that mean I'm not entitled to discuss it?

It doesnt mean you can't, but it does raise a question as to why you care ?
 
It doesnt mean you can't, but it does raise a question as to why you care ?

The debate seems to have moved on from the initial question somewhat any way. I cared initially because we have a forum that should be hosting a rich variety of a genre that's very broad, but only contains one thing. It would be like the wildlife forum only containing badgers and nothing else.. it would be worthy of the question "why?" would it not?
 
The debate seems to have moved on from the initial question somewhat any way. I cared initially because we have a forum that should be hosting a rich variety of a genre that's very broad, but only contains one thing. It would be like the wildlife forum only containing badgers and nothing else.. it would be worthy of the question "why?" would it not?

the answer would be because everyone posting likes badgers , and that if you feel it should have more foxes perhaps you'd like to go shoot some.

Anyway the analogy is flawed - it would be closer to say a wildlife forum featuring only mammals , which actually is pretty close to the truth (because birds has its own section)

Also how can someone who doesnt actually shoot in a genre have the right to say what it should or shouldnt contain ?
 
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