Why Andy Warner-Simpson (ASPhotographyMK) has been banned from our forum

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I, too, welcome our Moderator overlords. :D

There are clear rules about posting defamatory comments - if you choose to ignore them it's at your own risk. At this point, a temporary break from the forum would have done him some good.
But the final flourish of threats was too much, even if it was intended to be private.

The moderation here is pretty light-touch. In principle, I think that's a good thing, but anger is a recognised symptom of grief so perhaps a 'almost anything goes' forum was not the best environment for him at this time.
I'd like to think he would be welcomed back if he apologised, but ultimately that's up to Marcel to decide if and when we get to that point.
 
Give him a break like he and whoever he was exchanging messages with were discussing giving Marcel?
 
Nod said:
Give him a break like he and whoever he was exchanging messages with were discussing giving Marcel?
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post #22 should clear that up for you;)
 
CBA to look back a page.
 
I've had a slightly similar experence to AWS, and it very much alters one's perspective, values and sense of how to interact socially. I'm not suggesting that what he said was acceptable (and being shown where the limits are may actually have been helpful for him) but it is also good to understand why people react the way they do sometimes.
 
It's all very sad and a great shame.

It seems to me he has been hoist by the petard that is the ultimate extension of a vein of logic that is all too prevalent.

If someone says that openly calling someone a P**** might not be a good idea, then they must be a P**** supporter.

In this case, it seems Mr. A W-S actually believed that.

I agree with the ban.
 
There are almost two distinct things going on here.
The comments that were made to and about Marcel - which nobody can excuse and it would be ridiculous to think that they'd end in anything other than a ban.
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The personal circumstances that Andy is still living through - not an excuse but a probable reason behind his reactions.

Of course we can't separate the two, but I don't think it's too contradictory to have sympathy with Andy's situation while also supporting the ban as completely the right thing to do.
Any reasonable person can see that his comments go way beyond what's acceptable forum behaviour, but you'd have to be pretty cold-hearted not to spare a thought for him and his family - especially coming up to the first Christmas since the accident.
 
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I'm a bit torn on the whole banning people thing.

There's a part of me that thinks that when people express bizarre or extreme views from the outset or especially when expressing what seem to be out of character views later on they should be engaged with and possibly... changed? helped? But we're not psychologists and life is short etc...

Anyway, I'm torn on the banning folk thing but no one should have to put up with threats on line or even persistent sniping. You can only try so hard for so long or put up with so much crap.

Sorry as this came up while I was typing...

SarahLee said:
The personal circumstances that Andy is still living through - not an excuse but a probable reason behind his reactions.

Of course we can't separate the two, but I don't think it's too contradictory to have sympathy with Andy's situation while also supporting the ban as the completely the right thing to do.
Any reasonable person can see that his comments go way beyond what's acceptable forum behaviour, but you'd have to be pretty cold-hearted not to spare a thought for him and his family - especially coming up to the first Christmas since the accident
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Yup. Sad though it is you/we can't fix everyone and everything.

If he is just going through too much personal stuff I hope that he can find the help he needs to deal with it move forward.
 
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woof woof said:
I'm a bit torn on the whole banning people thing.
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Consider this, its the admins house and everyone is welcome.
Just like my house, everyone is welcome,
who ever they are, they are entitled to their opinions and I'm willing to listen and discuss their points of view.
The minute they turn violent and or abusive, to me or my other guests, they are no longer welcome in my house.

And that's across the board, not just in relation to this instance.
 
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I am not keen on seeing moderation discussed.
This particular ban was inevitable and well earned.
The moderators and owner took the necessary action, as they had every right to do.
The sooner this episode is put to bed the better.
we do not need to discuss the late member at all.
 
This wasn't really an aim for discussion, but more of an example of the crap that the moderators have to put up with, especially when we're often faced with a lot of criticism for both A : Being too lenient, or B : Being too harsh.
Now this was one public comment. There was a PM and an email exchange, where he was quite abusive.
I'll admit I replied to his abuse with some sarcasm and jovial banter but there were a couple of turning points in his messages that turned it into a ban.
This threat of breaking my legs was one of them.

Regardless of whether I'm bothered about his comments towards me, that sort of attitude towards anyone on here, and certainly not a moderator...is completely unacceptable, regardless of how thickskinned the recipient may be.
 
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I understand you have this dickish online persona and sometimes it really works and causes an odd chuckle, this isn't one of those times.
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It wasnt meant to be funny... no excuses...zero tollerance.... you dont go around threatening to break peoples legs.. you might think its funny or think theres a good excuses.. i dont.. having a personal dig at me pretty much shows your thought process though..
 
Cobra said:
Consider this, its the admins house and everyone is welcome.
Just like my house, everyone is welcome,
who ever they are, they are entitled to their opinions and I'm willing to listen and discuss their points of view.
The minute they turn violent and or abusive, to me or my other guests, they are no longer welcome in my house.

And that's across the board, not just in relation to this instance.
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I agree and I'd do the same but that doesn't mean that I'd be completely happy with myself... but as I said I do accept that you and the wider "we" aren't psychologists and even if we were this maybe isn't the place to deal with whatever's going on in the mind of the person posting in an unacceptable way.

Marcel said:
This wasn't really an aim for discussion, but more of an example of the crap that the moderators have to put up with, especially when we're often faced with a lot of criticism for both A : Being too lenient, or B : Being too harsh.
Now this was one public comment. There was a PM and an email exchange, where he was quite abusive.
I'll admit I replied to his abuse with some sarcasm and jovial banter but there were a couple of turning points in his messages that turned it into a ban.
This threat of breaking my legs was one of them.

Regardless of whether I'm bothered about his comments towards me, that sort of attitude towards anyone on here, and certainly not a moderator...is completely unacceptable, regardless of how thickskinned the recipient may be.
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I think it's a good idea to highlight what goes on. I think it is helpful.
 
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Is a public execution any better than the original crime? I agree threats cannot be tolerated but a forum being a faceless media can skew everyone's point of view and replies particularly sarcastic ones can fan the flames. Nearly every controversial thread on here ends up in a fracas and there are some posters get away with murder!
 
woof woof said:
but that doesn't mean that I'd be completely happy with myself...
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I can assure you that these decisions are not taken lightly, and only after some discussion in the staff room,
neither are we celebrating.
Overexposed said:
and there are some posters get away with murder!
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We can't be everywhere, or read every post, feel free to hit the RTM button if you think someone is out of order.
It will be discussed and appropriate action taken.
Much that action will be behind the scenes, and not obvious to other members.
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Is a public execution any better than the original crime?
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As above most "things" happen behind the scenes.
 
Cobra said:
I can assure you that these decisions are not taken lightly, and only after some discussion in the staff room,
neither are we celebrating.
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Maybe you can just celebrate getting through the day and providing a mostly and most of the time... good site. Maybe getting through the day and managing that without going mad or quitting is cause for celebration.

Have a drink on me :D
 
Choose the drink to suit wherever the sun's just set!
 
Now I may be missing something, and I know that all the comments have been in support of Marcel's decision, and whilst I too support his decision, because the individuals behaviour was out of order. Was he not banned at his own request?
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Naturally he ended up getting permabanned (on his request I might add.....)
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ChrisHeathcote said:
Now I may be missing something, and I know that all the comments have been in support of Marcel's decision, and whilst I too support his decision, because the individuals behaviour was out of order. Was he not banned at his own request?
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Jumped before Pushed ?
 
Marcel said:
This wasn't really an aim for discussion, but more of an example of the crap that the moderators have to put up with, especially when we're often faced with a lot of criticism for both A : Being too lenient, or B : Being too harsh.
Now this was one public comment. There was a PM and an email exchange, where he was quite abusive.
I'll admit I replied to his abuse with some sarcasm and jovial banter but there were a couple of turning points in his messages that turned it into a ban.
This threat of breaking my legs was one of them.

Regardless of whether I'm bothered about his comments towards me, that sort of attitude towards anyone on here, and certainly not a moderator...is completely unacceptable, regardless of how thickskinned the recipient may be.
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I think it is good in occasions to highlight the kind of crap the team has to deal with. It is so easy to sit on the side without a view of the whole picture and condemn moderation decisions. Much harder when you get the whole view and when it gets nasty.
 
With the greatest of respect to everyone involved, is it not time to lock this thread? It has surely now served its function, and it can only go downhill from here as far as I can see.
 
dejongj said:
I think it is good in occasions to highlight the kind of crap the team has to deal with. It is so easy to sit on the side without a view of the whole picture and condemn moderation decisions. Much harder when you get the whole view and when it gets nasty.
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Marcel thought long and hard before making this post.

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Was he not banned at his own request?
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Indeed, twice,
once in this thread
and once by RTM ( we now have an option to request a self ban)

KIPAX said:
Jumped before Pushed ?
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Not at all. He was reminded that disruptive post editing was against the forum rules.
(He deleted a lot of his posts, theywere re-instated)
And then went on the offensive, once he had deleted the posts.
He could have taken a step back, cooled off and continued, as a member,
a couple of days later
But it seems he wanted to "go out" in a blaze of glory.
Not least by sending Marcel a host of abusive PM's.
Yes there were a lot more than 1 ;)
 
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Cobra said:
But it seems he wanted to "go out" in a blaze of glory.
Not least by sending Marcel a host of abusive PM's.
Yes there were a lot more than 1 ;)
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So he would have been banned for that.. He obviously wasn't banned at the time of posting them...
 
KIPAX said:
So he would have been banned for that.. He obviously wasn't banned at the time of posting them...
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It seems he turned abusive because Marcel DIDN'T ban him immediately as he asked ( twice)
His request was granted
 
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Cobra said:
It seems he turned abusive because Marcel DIDN'T ban him immediate as he asked ( twice)
His request was granted
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haa right.. I thought Marcel said he was banned at own request.. Sorry not important.. just following the timeline ta :)
 
I'm probably swimming against the tide, but that's never bothered me...
The decision to ban him was obviously right because it's a privately owned forum so any decision made by an owner is automatically right, i.e. this is not a democracy.
But I'm not at all sure that it's right to discuss this in public, as far as I can see it's a private matter that is of little if any concern to the public.
 
There's no excuse for the "break his legs" thing. None.
Having also lost a child I can certainly empathise with that, but I disagree with folks trying to use that as a roundabout way to excuse the implied threat.
 
Some valid points in here.
Thank you all for your continued support of TP.

That's enough nice words for the mods, best stop it now or they'll get ideas above their station. ;)

I thought it pertinent to show everyone what we put up with. This, to be honest, is a bit of a rarity for me as a mod.
Others receive abusive crap more often.

I'm alright, I expect it, I'm an Admin and one of the three owners. The buck stops with me.

The rest of the mod team however give their free time willingly (usually ;)) to help keep the running of TP smooth for the benefit of the whole forum community.

If anyone's going to be breaking my legs, it's going to be me....buckling under the weight of a 150 kilo bacon sandwich. ;)
 
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