Who is the best James Bond?

Best Bond

  • Sean Connery

    Votes: 54 37.2%

  • George Lazenby

    Votes: 4 2.8%

  • Roger Moore

    Votes: 14 9.7%

  • Timothy Dalton

    Votes: 4 2.8%

  • Piece Brosnan

    Votes: 16 11.0%

  • Daniel Craig

    Votes: 53 36.6%
  • Total voters
    145
I hate all these references to Bourne. Bourne is a Bond rip off if anything, Bond was doing things Bourne does 50 years ago in the likes of Dr No and From Russia With Love. The only difference was the cinematography - crazy moving cameras hadn't been considered then. Have you seen how sadistic Bond is in the early films? They've simply reverted back to this style with the current Bonds with a contemporary element, which ALL action adventure movies do unless they are set in a specific period. And have you seen Bourne throw urine in a guys face?? Bond has.

Also, I'm not sure which Bond film Bond has his memory wiped after he was discharged from a secret government project to create a super soldier and goes on the run with CIA killers on his tail?
 
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Bourne just wades in and kills, a product of the cold US of A military system. Bond should be subtle, he's human and fallable, and kicks ass, a product of a good old british grammar school. Both excellent characters though :)
 
essexash said:
Bourne just wades in and kills, a product of the cold US of A military system. Bond should be subtle, he's human and fallable, and kicks ass, a product of a good old british grammar school. Both excellent characters though :)
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He is subtle, but deadly when he needs to be! And he's far more subtle than he used to be!
 
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I can see why you would draw a comparison between Bourne and Bond, but I don't think that Bourne is a complete rip-off of Bond (apart from the JB initials). In fact, I think that Jack Ryan was possibly more of a first attempt at an American Bond.

Bourne is essentially American - a grunt of a Marine trained to be a killing machine. He doesn't go out to save the world, nor does he have the cars/gadgets of Bond.

James Bond is a ex-Royal Naval Commander with all the near-royal charm and Britishness that entails. His remit is/was typically to ensure the safety of mankind from global villains who threaten humanity. If anything, it could be suggested that Bourne was the one which gave the Bond crew a jolt into the 21st century. In the recent (Craig) Bonds, we no longer have SPECTRE et-al or a single megalomaniac intent on world domination, just a sinister group of pseudo political underworld figures whose goals would seem to be primarily financial. In this respect, I think Bourne has possibly shown Bond the way forward.:shrug:
 
Im going to go against the flow and say I think all the Bourne films are better than any Bond. I dont really do "favourites" of all time, I do a kind of vague, that would be in my top 10 of all time films. I think all the Bourne films would be in my top 10 but none of the Bonds would. I do like Bond, books and films, watched Living Daylights weekend just gone and thoroughly enjoyed it again, have all Bonds on DVD/Blu ray but prefer Bourne without a doubt.
Best Bond film? Goldfinger, Live and Let Die or Licence to Kill, until Casino Royale came out that is.
Best Bond? I would have said Connery but Craig is shaping up nicely.
 
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FourRingCircus said:
I can see why you would draw a comparison between Bourne and Bond, but I don't think that Bourne is a complete rip-off of Bond (apart from the JB initials). In fact, I think that Jack Ryan was possibly more of a first attempt at an American Bond.

Bourne is essentially American - a grunt of a Marine trained to be a killing machine. He doesn't go out to save the world, nor does he have the cars/gadgets of Bond.

James Bond is a ex-Royal Naval Commander with all the near-royal charm and Britishness that entails. His remit is/was typically to ensure the safety of mankind from global villains who threaten humanity. If anything, it could be suggested that Bourne was the one which gave the Bond crew a jolt into the 21st century. In the recent (Craig) Bonds, we no longer have SPECTRE et-al or a single megalomaniac intent on world domination, just a sinister group of pseudo political underworld figures whose goals would seem to be primarily financial. In this respect, I think Bourne has possibly shown Bond the way forward.:shrug:
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But that's just a film series moving with the times. Nowadays the threat isn't Cold War and Russia (as in Bonds of the time) or the power of media bosses (as in the Bond of the time) etc, its with terrorism and smaller, but just as deadly threats. I don't think Bourne influenced this, just current affairs.
 
DorsetDude said:
Im going to go against the flow and say I think all the Bourne films are better than any Bond. QUOTE]


Whhhaat??:bang::lol: :D

Can't really see me lying on the sofa on Xmas day, all full of turkey, and my kids running up saying 'daddy, it's 4pm the Bourne repeat is away to start ':shake: :cuckoo: :lol: (They'd get their answer:lol:) :razz::)
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odd jim said:
But that's just a film series moving with the times. Nowadays the threat isn't Cold War and Russia .
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Think that's it, Jim...they were a product of their time - pretty much all of them (OK, Indian tennis stars mixed with cold war agents was getting a bit silly in Octopussy (a little bit it was) :lol: we'll give the Bourne fans that much:razz:)
 
odd jim said:
But that's just a film series moving with the times. Nowadays the threat isn't Cold War and Russia (as in Bonds of the time) or the power of media bosses (as in the Bond of the time) etc, its with terrorism and smaller, but just as deadly threats. I don't think Bourne influenced this, just current affairs.
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We can agree to differ then.;)

Bourne came to our screens in 2002 while at the same time Pierce Brosnan was chasing round a ridiculous ice palace in a ridiculous (invisible) car with guided missiles and a pop-up machine gun. Then he's taking a chopper out of the back of a CGI'd plane which was so full of holes that it was utterly ludicrous.

By contrast, Jason Bourne came from a book written when Bond was Moonraking (published in 1980), well and truly ahead of Bond and well ahead of its time and the current affairs of that time.

Bond didn't move with the times until the utterly brilliant Casino Royale some twenty-six years later....

I love both series of films and characters and I simply don't see much of a connection between them. I'd happily watch any of them when stuffed with turkey. However, to suggest that Bourne was created from Bond missed the point entirely. I think we'd have had Bourne without Bond, but I doubt we'd have had Casino Royale (2006) without Bourne.
 
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FourRingCircus said:
I love both series of films and characters and I simply don't see much of a connection between them. I'd happily watch any of them when stuffed with turkey. However, to suggest that Bourne was created from Bond missed the point entirely. I think we'd have had Bourne without Bond, but I doubt we'd have had Casino Royale (2006) without Bourne.
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Bang on.
 
FourRingCircus said:
We can agree to differ then.;)

Bourne came to our screens in 2002 while at the same time Pierce Brosnan was chasing round a ridiculous ice palace in a ridiculous (invisible) car with guided missiles and a pop-up machine gun. Then he's taking a chopper out of the back of a CGI'd plane which was so full of holes that it was utterly ludicrous.

By contrast, Jason Bourne came from a book written when Bond was Moonraking (published in 1980), well and truly ahead of Bond and well ahead of its time and the current affairs of that time.

Bond didn't move with the times until the utterly brilliant Casino Royale some twenty-six years later....

I love both series of films and characters and I simply don't see much of a connection between them. I'd happily watch any of them when stuffed with turkey. However, to suggest that Bourne was created from Bond missed the point entirely. I think we'd have had Bourne without Bond, but I doubt we'd have had Casino Royale (2006) without Bourne.
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You can't use Die Another Day as a comparison, that was way OTT even for an early 2000's Bond. As for Moonraker, Moonraker was published in 1955. Ian Fleming had long been dead by 1980! If you mean the movie, that was 1979 and altered from the book to a more contemporary feel (see, moving with the times) thanks to the release and popularity of Star Wars and Close Encounters (hence the in-jokes) and also the newly launched space shuttle. Again you've chosen the second most OTT Bond, but this was still going with the trend of the time.

As such, I doubt we'll see the Bourne franchise lasting 23 movies, especially after the panning of the Bourne Legacy, which I actually rather enjoyed.

Don't get me wrong I love Bourne, it's just the comparisons to Bond are rather unoriginal, lame and without much thought. The only similarities are that they both enjoy and are rather good at fisticuffs.
 
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Q Division and their gadgets and modified cars are part of Bond lore. A Bond film simply wouldn't be a Bond film without them.

That said, using CGI to make utterly unbelievable modifications, and perform utterly stupid stunts is why the franchise waned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh0VF6s-UYU&noredirect=1
Check that out. No wires. No bluescreen. No CGI. No edits. No models or miniatures. Pure testosterone driven stunts. Grrrr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uZRYO8BcL4&noredirect=1
This is just stupid. A ultra-lifelike virtual reality system housed in a pair of sunglasses where the lenses disappear into thin air? It's the stuff of Star Trek, not Bond. It's almost as stupid as surfing a dead body down a stairwell.
 
HMansfield said:
Q Division and their gadgets and modified cars are part of Bond lore. A Bond film simply wouldn't be a Bond film without them.

That said, using CGI to make utterly unbelievable modifications, and perform utterly stupid stunts is why the franchise waned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh0VF6s-UYU&noredirect=1
Check that out. No wires. No bluescreen. No CGI. No edits. No models or miniatures. Pure testosterone driven stunts. Grrrr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uZRYO8BcL4&noredirect=1
This is just stupid. A ultra-lifelike virtual reality system housed in a pair of sunglasses where the lenses disappear into thin air? It's the stuff of Star Trek, not Bond. It's almost as stupid as surfing a dead body down a stairwell.
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I always thought that (amazing) stunt was ruined by the comedy sound effect they added for god knows what reason. I'm sure Roger Moore must have snuck into the editing room!
 
Cant see the utube, but i bet yooz are talking about the car jump and that silly sound??
 
odd jim said:
I always thought that (amazing) stunt was ruined by the comedy sound effect they added for god knows what reason. I'm sure Roger Moore must have snuck into the editing room!
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I can only assume halfway through editting, they went for lunch and had one too many beers and one of them said, "You know the corkscrew jump? We should add a slide whisstssttssttlle to it!". They all fell about laughing, went back and added it, and thus the damage was done.
 
Started my blu-ray Bond marathon last night, obviously with Dr No. I still think Skyfall is over-rated.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Started my blu-ray Bond marathon last night, obviously with Dr No. I still think Skyfall is over-rated.
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No it's not... :)
 
For me, it's always been Connery. Dr. No & Thunderball are a couple of movies that shaped my childhood big time.
 
Gary Coyle said:
What about David Niven
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Keith W said:
indeed

Also lets not forget the very first Bond actor, Barry Nelson
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I assumed we were talking about the proper Bonds from the actual licenced film series rather then the radio play or the LSD induced comedy sketch that was the 1967 Casino Royale (which had 7 Bonds)... Otherwise why not add Peter Sellers, Daliah Lavi, Woody Allen, Terence Cooper and Ursula Andress (yes, she played one of the Bonds in the '67 Casino Royale).

But if we are talking radio and spin offs, these two would still be right at the bottom.
 
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odd jim said:
I assumed we were talking about the proper Bonds from the actual licenced film series rather then the radio play or the LSD induced comedy sketch that was the 1967 Casino Royale (which had 7 Bonds)... Otherwise why not add Peter Sellers, Daliah Lavi, Woody Allen, Terence Cooper and Ursula Andress (yes, she played one of the Bonds in the '67 Casino Royale).

But if we are talking radio and spin offs, these two would still be right at the bottom.
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Casino royale was turned into a tv play on an American tv show called climax where Barry nelson played jimmy bond of the CIA. Shown in 1954.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cYhQqTAGd7k
 
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I'm voting for DC simply because the new films have an edge to them that has kept to franchise alive. If they'd have stuck to the old format we wouldn't even be talking Bond now.
 
Who is the best(sexiest) Moneypenny though?

I'lll vote for Caroline Bliss in Living Daylights :love::love::love::love::love:

:)
 
Going off on a slight tangent, what is your favourite Bond theme track?

It's pretty hard to decide on one, so here is my top 4:

1) We Have All The Time In The World - Louis Armstrong (what an absolutely beautiful piece of music)
2) Live and Let Die
3) A View To A Kill
4) Nobody Does It Better

What are your favourites?
 
cuthbert said:
Going off on a slight tangent, what is your favourite Bond theme track?

It's pretty hard to decide on one, so here is my top 4:

1) We Have All The Time In The World - Louis Armstrong (what an absolutely beautiful piece of music)
2) Live and Let Die
3) A View To A Kill
4) Nobody Does It Better

What are your favourites?
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License to Kill hands down. Also although much derided I do quite like You Know My Name as well.
 
1 You only live twice
2 live and let die
3 goldfinger
4 thunderball
 
cuthbert said:
Going off on a slight tangent, what is your favourite Bond theme track?

It's pretty hard to decide on one, so here is my top 4:

1) We Have All The Time In The World - Louis Armstrong (what an absolutely beautiful piece of music)
2) Live and Let Die
3) A View To A Kill
4) Nobody Does It Better

What are your favourites?
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The whole OHMS soundtrack. You're right about the Armstrong tune, but I also love the Christmas song that featured in the ice rink scene.
 
In no particular order

License to kill - Gladys knight
View to a kill - Duran Duran
Living Daylights - A-Ha
Goldeneye - Tina Turner
 
Scaffold song by adele. I know it's supposed to be sky fall but sounds like scaffold to me.
 
Who played the best villain? :thinking:
 
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