Which wide angle for Canon 6D

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I am looking to purchase a wide angle lens to use for having a go at landscape photography on my canon 6d. I really need some guidance on what would be suitable.
I have been looking at the Canon 16-35mm F4 which are selling for around 500-600 pounds but would like to hear some opinions on what you think might be better choice. I only do my photography as a hobby so it is not for professional use.
 
I'd be a bit careful about how wide you go. It is often said that you need an ultra-wide to do landscapes but there's an awful lot of space to fill on a sensor at 16mm. I have the 17-40 zoom and i hardly ever use it at the wide end. For me 24mm is usually wide enough. But having said that I believe the 16-35 is a good lens. If money was no object I'd probably swap my 17-40 for one.
 
I use my trusted 24-105 for landscapes on my 6D, more than happy with it on plus side it gives me a little more reach than the 17-40 I used to have agree with Jerry to much width can be counter productive May I suggest you have a look through some of the Flickr groups for the focal lengths suggested in the thread. it may help towards your decision.
 
Thank you both for a quick reply. I will have a look at the forum
suggested. I did look at the 17-40 too but on a few of you tube videos they found it to be a little soft at the edges. Now I say that as if I know about this I dont lol! maybe all wide angles have a soft edge at certain F stops I have still to learn about this.
 
Jerry some of these super lenses are very expensive but for now I am looking to purchase what ever one I go for second hand. As I only do it for myself to enjoy I dont want to be purchasing new right now
 
The Tamron 17-35 2.8-4 is an absolute bargain, light, cheap, perfectly usable.

Not L lens quality but certainly holds it's own against the 17-40L (which isn't Canons finest L lens)
 
There are two types of 24-105 the "pro version red ring version and a cheaper version cannot comment on the quality of images from the cheaper version but e bay maybe your best friend There is about £100 between the L version and non L version couple of examples below

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Canon-24-...082946?hash=item4897e61282:g:Nj8AAOSw44BYheru

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Canon-EF-...006952?hash=item5b325d6ae8:g:ntcAAOSwopRYiPKX

One thing I should add the price of new lenses is starting to rise due to £ vs $ I have bought secondhand from various sellers either e bay or through the classifieds on the forum maybe this is a route you may wish to go.

Retailers I have bought from used Camera Jungle- Mifsuds-WEX

Hope this helps with your decision
 
I've got the 16-35 (f2.8 in my case) and it is nice to have the option at the wide end. Like other comments above I do use the 24mm end of the 24-105 probably more but ofthen that's becuase it's on the camera. I don't know what's available but one or two wider primes may be worth thinking about as an alternative although like I said I do use mine down at the 16-20mm end on a 6D pretty regularly.
 
I use the 16-35mm f4 on my 6D and it is a great combination. The lens itself is sharp across the frame, take filters / filter systems and the IS comes in very handy.

I get what is being said above about a 24 - 105 but the 16mm does give you a lot of creative options and 16 to 35 is a surprisingly useful range. It's a great video lens too with the IS.
 
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The 16-35mm f4 is an excellent wide angle lens, probably the best option for Canon full frame (excluding the latest version of the 16-35mm f2.8).

I used to use the 17-40mm L and although the 16-35mm f4 is a lot sharper in the corners, if you wanted a cheaper option the 17-40mm is a pretty capable lens and can be picked up used for about £300

There's plenty of examples with these lenses on my website or Flickr links below

It's worth mentioning that the type of landscapes you'd like to do will have a bearing on lens choice, I use several lenses for landscapes from the 16-35mm to the 100-400mm
 
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I use my Canon 16-35mm F4 a lot, and love it.
You have to ensure you have some good foreground interest when shooting wide though otherwise everything gets lost in the picture.

If you're only shooting landscapes on a tripod f2.8 is overkill.
 
I have a couple of Sigma 15-30mm lenses one Canon fit another in Nikon I purchased the Canon fit after the Nikon version as I was so impressed with the quality.!
In fact I sold my Nikon AFS 14-24mm f2.8
They can be picked up sub £300 i
Here's a album with a few shots using the lens:)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/phiggys/albums/72157629330460267
 
Another vote for the 16-35 f/4. Agree with all the good stuff thats been said about it, it instantly became my fav lens.
Saying that, i do agree that a lens this wide can be a bit of a shock at first. Ive found that i tend to use mine more at its long end most of the time, but having the option to just back it off and get that bit extra in shot is great.

I also love that its got IS. Hand holding at 1/5 on my 5Dmkiii is so easy, and i find i tend to use this lens as my low light lens if the subjects are static. To my eyes sharpness is on a par with my 24-70 f/2.8 mkii, although ive not done a side by side comparison. The images do make me smile though. They have the same look as my 24-70 and i love how that produces images.
 
I had the 16-35 on my 6D,loved it,a photo i took with it got chosen for a calender and also front cover of a novel.i found it a very good lens.
 
t's worth mentioning that the type of landscapes you'd like to do will have a bearing on lens choice

Yes you are right it will depend on what I am taking on the day. So far in the past I have used on my old crop camera the Sigma 10-20 then I bought my Canon 6d and used my Sigma 24-70 .
I have had a few goes at Landscapes but never took it very seriously. Now I know I really enjoy it and want to do more and try to improve on how to take good landscapes. So the lens I know is only a tool to help improve the quality of the images I take the rest I need to learn.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/cooriedoon1/
 
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The Tamron 17-35 2.8-4 is an absolute bargain, light, cheap, perfectly usable.

Not L lens quality but certainly holds it's own against the 17-40L (which isn't Canons finest L lens)

It seems fine enough if you don't want much lens flare in your landscape shots! ;) Have a look here: http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/lenses/17-40mm-performance.htm#compare

There's a lot more info there in that review if you follow the navigation tabs, however, it seems to compare the 17-40 L with the 16-35 f2.8 L (Mk 1?), rather than the f4 IS L version. However, it does demonstrate that the 17-40 isn't too bad at all with lens flare and ghosts.

As you'll see from that review, with the 17-40 L the edge softness decreases as the lens is stopped down, and by f8 and f11 it doesn't seem bad at all, and fairly comparable with other top quality, ultra-wide zoom lenses. You don't get IS, but on an ultra-wide lens this probably matters less than on a tele or super-tele, as camera shake movement isn't magnified to the same extent. If you use it on a tripod for landscape work you'd have the IS switched off anyway, and also how often would you be shooting at f4 or f5.6?

I don't have the need for an ultra-wide lens very often, but was aware I hadn't got this range covered, so I opted for a used 17-40 f4 L as I found one at a decent price for a mint, boxed, made in 2015 (according to the serial number) lens from a well-established camera shop with a good (hopefully!) guarantee. I think the 17-40 L represents good value for money second hand, if you can find a mint, recent one (they've been made for quite a few years now), from a reputable, long established dealer or shop with a good guarantee, for less than £399 (prices seem to be rising not falling at the moment - presumably due to the current £ exchange rate).

However, I'd agree with the other posts here; if money was no object (or I used an ultra-wide lens a lot, or shot hand-held in low light, or needed optimal image quality for professional work), then I'd definitely go for the 16-35 f4 IS L, which seems to be well thought of.

So before parting with your money, check out some reviews, do some pixel peeping (for colour and contrast, as well as sharpness!), and have a look on Flickr for some 'real world' type landscape shots (preferably full resolution type images, rather than ones that have been reduced in size or otherwise significantly modified) and see what you think about the difference between any options you're considering. Is a gain in image quality worth the price difference to you? Would any saving be worth it to you, or would you get that niggling feeling and wish you'd paid a couple of hundred £ more for the best quality you could reasonably get? The choice is yours! Hope this is useful. :)

PS Good luck choosing, I hope you get a good version of the one you buy... and don't forget to tell us what you finally chose, and why! (y)
 
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Ah, it seems we're at cross-purposes... I wasn't dismissing your recommendation, I was making ref to your comment about the 17-40 L: "which isn't Canons finest L lens". I think it’s perhaps a bit unfairly maligned (after all, there's more to a lens than optimal edge sharpness when wide open), so thought I'd try to redress things by pointing out some of its apparent plus-points. After all, edge sharpness isn't much good if you can't see it for green ghosts and/or haze. :) Anyway, have a look at the full review and see what you think. (y)
 
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I have a 17-40 L and a 24-105 L, both get used on the 6D to some extent. But I have to say, since I bought my X-T2 & 16mm, it's so much smaller & lighter, that tends to get packed unless I'm going out on a mission with a full bag of kit.
 
Ah, it seems we're at cross-purposes... I wasn't dismissing your recommendation, I was making ref to your comment about the 17-40 L: "which isn't Canons finest L lens". I think it’s perhaps a bit unfairly maligned (after all, there's more to a lens than optimal edge sharpness when wide open), so thought I'd try to redress things by pointing out some of its apparent plus-points. After all, edge sharpness isn't much good if you can't see it for green ghosts and/or haze. :) Anyway, have a look at the full review and see what you think. (y)
I've had one.

Far from the worst lens in the world, but a S/H one is over £300.

The Tamron is optically pretty close, and available at about half the price.

I know what I'd choose if I had the decision to make again ;)
 
I've got the 17-40mm on my 6D at the moment. I really like it although the wide end of 17mm can be a bit 'too' wide at times and as others have said, 24mm is a more happy medium.

I use both the 17-40 and 24-105 L fairly evenly along with the occasional prime. If I was going for a few days with just one of the two lenses then it would probably be the 24-105.
 
No mention of the Sigma 12-24mm lens on this thread so far. I have the Mk1, which falls into budget, the Mk2 would likely be over budget. The Mk1 needs stopping down to gain sharpness but has less distortion than the Mk2. There is a review on the following link (Mk2), but whats particularly interesting is a picture comparison at various focal lengths from 12 to 24mm. Every mm at the wide end makes a significant difference and shows the probable field of view of some in the lenses mentioned above, as reality doesn't always match the claimed zoom range. Those happy with a 24-105mm lens don't need to buy anything at all, but it wouldn't be wide enough for me. Perfect for me as I can cover from 12mm to 300mm with just three lenses (disregarding primes), the Sigma 12-24mm, Tamron 24-70mm and Tamron 70-300mm VR (Yes I'm an L lens free zone currently). Note that the Sigma does not accept directly filters.

For a long time the Sigma 12-24mm was the widest full frame non fisheye lens available. Supplanted by the new Canon 11-24mm, it's at a price where it doesn't even appear on my radar.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-12-24mm-f-4.5-5.6-DG-II-HSM-Lens.aspx
 
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Thank you everyone! This is more help and advice than I expected and really appreciate each of your thoughts :)
Not sure what I will go for but I see on ebay there are a few Canon 17-40 and 16-35 L lenses to view. I have still to look at some of the others yet. I have also been on a few of your flickr pages and what beautiful images I saw on each of them.
I will let you know what I decide on but I think it will be a Canon only because I was given some money as a gift and can spend a little more than I could have. This is a hard choice and wish hubby had just bought me a lens it would have been easier.Mind you he would have no idea either lol!
 
I use my 16-35 F4 on most of the landscapes i take, it will be the only lens, i know for sure, i will take tomorrow, when i have a wander along the Ayrshire coast..
 
Just a little update to let you know what I decided on. I managed to get myself this lens

Canon EF 16-35 mm f/4L IS USM

It was second hand and I cant wait to try it out when it gets here. Now going to try and find a 10 stop filter to fit it so that I can also have a little go at some long exposures too.
 
Just a little update to let you know what I decided on. I managed to get myself this lens

Canon EF 16-35 mm f/4L IS USM

It was second hand and I cant wait to try it out when it gets here. Now going to try and find a 10 stop filter to fit it so that I can also have a little go at some long exposures too.
Great lens - I love mine! With the money you have saved buying second hand, if you're going to get serious with photography, go with a flexible filter system, like the Lee system. I have spent far too much money on screw in filters. Whilst good, if I could go back and start again, I would have started with the Lee system straight away. Expensive, but worth it long term, especially if you've invested in quality L glass.
 
Just a little update to let you know what I decided on. I managed to get myself this lens

Canon EF 16-35 mm f/4L IS USM

It was second hand and I cant wait to try it out when it gets here. Now going to try and find a 10 stop filter to fit it so that I can also have a little go at some long exposures too.
You won't be disappointed :)
 
Just a little update to let you know what I decided on. I managed to get myself this lens

Canon EF 16-35 mm f/4L IS USM

It was second hand and I cant wait to try it out when it gets here. Now going to try and find a 10 stop filter to fit it so that I can also have a little go at some long exposures too.

Great choice. I'm sure you will enjoy it as much as i do.
 
[QUOTE="Adrian Pollard, post: 7715274, member
if you're going to get serious with photography, go with a flexible filter system, like the Lee system. I have spent far too much money on screw in filters. Whilst good, if I could go back and start again, I would have started with the Lee system straight away. Expensive, but worth it long term, especially if you've invested in quality L glass.[/QUOTE]


That was going to be my next question :) I love the long exposure shots especially
the mono shots. I really want to learn how to do them. I will take note of your advice and maybe purchase a 10 stop to allow me to practice during the day. I live in Ayr so I have many beautiful places to go for practice .
 
Can I just ask would I need to put a filter on this lens to protect it or is Lens hood enough. I am sure I saw something about this lens requiring a filter to make is weatherproof.
 
Can I just ask would I need to put a filter on this lens to protect it or is Lens hood enough. I am sure I saw something about this lens requiring a filter to make is weatherproof.
The filter / no filter debate is a hot one, i'm on the side of using filters but they'll be those strongly opposed to it. For weather sealing to be complete a filter is stipulated but those who are in the no filter bracket still take L's out in all weather.
 
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