Which tripod for long lens bird photography?

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hi folks. I currently have my Wimberley head on a 190CXPRO03 and it looks a bit dwarfed by it. Does anybody have any recommendations? I have a 3LT Brian for travel but struggled with it in the dark the other day (late arrival looking for the moon) so I am wondering what else I could put my Wimberley Head on? I am 5'2" and female with shoulder injury so nothing hugely heavy please.

Thanks for looking.
 
You don't mention a budget... also the weight that said tripod will need to support apart from said Wimberly.

If you have the budget a Gitzo 3 series CF is worth looking at (can be found second user too). Mine supports a 1series body 500mm/f4 and gimbal with ease and is not too heavy to carry.
 
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check out Feisol.
They are light for the strength they offer.
I have their 3472 and am happy with it.
You have to buy direct from Europe.
 
I currently have my Wimberley head on a 190CXPRO03 and it looks a bit dwarfed by it.
So what exactly is the problem? Nobody's going to be laughing at you because of the way it looks.....
 
The problem is with the 3LT Brian being more suited for travel and not how it looks; perhaps I wasn't clear.. I want an additional tripod which releases the Manfrotto for every day use; I want one that will be solid and be the home for the Wimberley with a 500f4 on a Canon 1DX2. It seems Gitzo is a possible candidate.
 
If you have a 1D body and 500f4 don’t buy twice just get a Gitzo 5 series check their web site out they often have a sale on. Awesome tripod rock solid easy to use and compared to your camera and lens quite light. Mine makes my TLT Brian looks like a toy even though Brian is pretty good
 
The problem is with the 3LT Brian being more suited for travel and not how it looks; perhaps I wasn't clear.. I want an additional tripod which releases the Manfrotto for every day use; I want one that will be solid and be the home for the Wimberley with a 500f4 on a Canon 1DX2. It seems Gitzo is a possible candidate.

Given your stated gear I would suggest a used Gitzo GT3530LS (Systematic) (no longer made - pity!). I used to have this tripod until fairly recently and used it with my Wimberley 2 and 600 F4 L IS and (later) 800 F5.6 L IS lenses. I now have a GT4542LS, because it was going cheap, and yes the 4 series is better - but not by much! For practical purposes the GT3530LS would be my preferred choice for your 500 F4 - lighter and cheaper than the newer models too!

Also keep an eye out for the even older G1325/1327/1329 models - less money but still great tripods and spares are available - but I doubt you would need them!
 
Well Gitzo seem to be favourites. Fortunately, I was sitting down when I saw how much the series 5 tripods are new... perhaps there will be a good offer at the photography show. John, where would I look for used tripods in your experience?

Thanks.
 
I may be barking up the wrong street here but I use my cheap (£30.00 second hand) very light monopod for bird photography with my 80D and 150-600 Sigma

Keeps it pretty stable but gives great flexibility with birds that move a lot.
 
Not an expert on all tripod makes but having been a long term Gitzo user, I recently did a review of a Benro tripod so would suggest it might be worth considering other makes. Although it wasn't a tripod necessarily suitable for your use, I have lots of friends who use Benro models with long lens so it may be worth a bit of further research. Here's a link to the review if you are interested;

https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/t...tripod-and-b1-bullhead-review-on-skye.670861/
 
where would I look for used tripods in your experience?
IME- Ffordes, Wex, LCE, MPB, classifieds on here or even gumtree as you can go along and have a look at it locally.

Ffordes have a used gitzo 3 series at moment and although it's a short tripod, it would be worth measuring how high above your manfrotto plate your viewfinder sits on the wimberley and how far down from your 5'2" your eyes sit to see if it's a match- if you use sitting down then no issues.

I bought a used gitzo 5 series about 2-3 years ago for long exposure work (tired of the manfrotto vibrating in light winds) and haven't looked back
 
I agree that 20% off is a noticeable reduction but £850 is still rather eye watering! What’s so good about these tripods?
 
I managed to pick up a Gitzo 3542 for £250 off eBay - I was the only person to bid, so got it at starting price! The bargains are there if you hunt
 
What’s so good about these tripods?

They work better. Look at the diameter of the legs compared to the manfrotto and similar tripods.

I have both my Gitzo and Manfrotto in the boot of the car - will always reach for the Gitzo when they both have a MN410 geared head on.

The old buy cheap, buy twice IMO. If I knew then (when buying the manfrotto, what I know now I'd have a Gitzo or Feisol as my only tripod)
 
Depends on how you're going to use it... If you're just using it to support the weight so that you don't wear out, then it doesn't much matter what tripod it's on. If you're going to use it for slow SS's with the head locked down/drag applied, then tripod stability matters more.

For the latter, on a budget I would get something like the Benro C373T and a 75mm half ball (leveling base).
 
I'll chip in as a Benro user, great tripod. Can't remember the model off hand but carbon fibre and solid.
Bought off a member on here a couple of years ago.
 
Well Gitzo seem to be favourites. Fortunately, I was sitting down when I saw how much the series 5 tripods are new... perhaps there will be a good offer at the photography show. John, where would I look for used tripods in your experience?

Thanks.

I have had great prices on new Gitzos from a local Camera Shop (now closed unfortunately!) and they gave me an absolute bargain on a used G1329 Mk2 + a G1318 center column - £100 for the lot!! Realistically the used market is the best place to look as these tripods last a very long time to say the least. My Gitzo Traveller came frrom E Bay at £140, though something like a 3 series Systematic (ideal for your lens) would be more - but I would be loath to go too much above £350. You will have to be patient - but it is worth it, prices are a bit high on E Bay at the moment - but keep an eye out, you never know....

As others have mentioned Benro make some nice kit as do Sirui and Feisol and I recently tried out a Jobu Killarney tripod at Carmarthen Cameras - very nice too! My problem with the alternatives to Gitzo tripods is that they all cost more than the actual Gitzos. Of my, current, 4 Gitzo tripods the most expensive is my GT4542LS (a bit more than you need) and was £375 brand new direct from Gitzo UK.
 
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Of my, current, 4 Gitzo tripods the most expensive is my GT4542LS (a bit more than you need) and was £375 brand new direct from Gitzo UK.
Was that around the end of 2016 when Gitzo were updating their model range from the version 2 to version 3? Around that time I picked up a 3 series XLS version for half price at £399. The prices were great but they were just selling off the old stock before the new models came out. Not sure if those kind of new prices will be repeated, at least not until they bring out the newer version 4s in a few years time.
 
I agree that 20% off is a noticeable reduction but £850 is still rather eye watering! What’s so good about these tripods?

Gitzos are better made, simple as. They only make top quality tripods and every one is best in class (and invariably the most expensive). You can't say that about any other brand - Benro, Manfrotto, Sirui etc all have some excellent models, and probably better value, but never better performing and they also produce some cheaper, less good models. I've probably tested over a hundred tripods over the last few years for the photo magazines I work for, and you can tell a Gitzo blindfold just by giving it a bit of a shake-down.

Best way I can put it - tripods come in broadly similar size categories, 0-series, 1-series, 2-series (usually the most popular), and then for heavier calibre stuff there's 3, 4 and 5. A Gitzo will typically outperform other tripods one category higher, often more.

Buying a used Gitzo is certainly a good way to a bargain, but you need to know what you want, understand all the model codes (there are dozens of them, all with numerous permutations), keep scanning the ads and be patient, and be comfortable buying unseen by post. Gitzos can always be serviced and repaired, but that's not cheap either.

ps Every photographer who's serious about tripod working either has a Gitzo, or wants one. There's a kind of inevitability about it... :D
 
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I agree that 20% off is a noticeable reduction but £850 is still rather eye watering! What’s so good about these tripods?

The problem with this deal is that it comes with a ballhead and you may not need/want that.
 
The problem with this deal is that it comes with a ballhead and you may not need/want that.

Those new Gitzo ball heads are very good though, and that's the heavy duty version normally retailing at £390.
 
Every photographer who's serious about tripod working either has a Gitzo, or wants one. There's a kind of inevitability about it... :D

I have tried many makes, then I needed a decent travel tripod and managed to get hold of a Gitzo Traveller. I won't look at another make again, it's just so well made. It even supports my X-T2, grip & 100-400 and is still stable. My cumbersome Manfrotto is now restricted to studio or garden use.
 
Every photographer who's serious about tripod working either has a Gitzo, or wants one. There's a kind of inevitability about it...
IDK, I feel there is a bit of overzealousness about them; and you pay a bit of a brand premium IMO.
I used to own Gitzos (3 & 5 series) but I don't anymore... There are plenty I would put up against Gitzo as being just as good/better (ProMedia, RRS, Sirui, etc), but the comparable models aren't all that much cheaper than a Gitzo really; if not more expensive. But I do believe there is a break-over point where you pay exponentially more for very minor differences... same with most things photography related.
 
IDK, I feel there is a bit of overzealousness about them; and you pay a bit of a brand premium IMO.
I used to own Gitzos (3 & 5 series) but I don't anymore... There are plenty I would put up against Gitzo as being just as good/better (ProMedia, RRS, Sirui, etc), but the comparable models aren't all that much cheaper than a Gitzo really; if not more expensive. But I do believe there is a break-over point where you pay exponentially more for very minor differences... same with most things photography related.

Gitzo carries a bit of a brand premium, but it is justified if you want the best. The upside is they hold their value better.

Specialist brands like RRS and ProMediaGear are pretty much non-existant in the UK. You can import them of course, and no doubt they're excellent, but their already very high prices go through the roof when you add shipping and VAT etc. Gitzo is found in all decent photo dealers. Sirui make some good tripods, though I've only tested a couple in the mid-range - cheaper than Gitzo, and while not quite as good that's perhaps not a fair comparison. The one brand I'd really like to try properly is Feisol that I hear good things about. I've tried to get hold of them, but the UK agent (now out of business) was a difficult chap who had a bad experience or something with another magazine and refused to play. I'll try to get something from Feisol Europe next time.
 
The upside is they hold their value better.
This is definitely true...
Specialist brands like RRS and ProMediaGear are pretty much non-existant in the UK.
Hadn't considered that...

Probably my favorite tripod for this type of work was a Gitzo 3541xls with leveling ball... while I wouldn't call it stable with long long lenses, it was sufficiently up to the task for most wildlife action situations. Plus it was small/light, and the extra height made it more flexible... I kind of regret moving that one on.

In regards to stability, I find it curious what people consider "stable." Even the biggest/most expensive tripods (i.e. Gitzo 5 series) require special methods/technique/consideration if you are pushing the edge. It was rather depressing when I first realized even a $1200 tripod (5 series) with a $400-500 head (MonoBall Z/405) would still wiggle and shake w/o much effort... I guess that's where column mounts (camera stands) come in.
 
Was that around the end of 2016 when Gitzo were updating their model range from the version 2 to version 3? Around that time I picked up a 3 series XLS version for half price at £399. The prices were great but they were just selling off the old stock before the new models came out. Not sure if those kind of new prices will be repeated, at least not until they bring out the newer version 4s in a few years time.

It was indeed. I got mine early 2017 so I had to get the GT4542LS rather than the GT4532LS due to availability. Still a lovely tripod!

Coincidentally around the same time a friend sold his £100 G1329/G1327 hybrid (Mountaineer legs with a Systematic spider) for £275 and picked up a very nice condition GT3530LS for £250! The bargains are out there - but it can take time, lots of time sometimes.;)
 
I use a benro com47axl and it's very very sturdy and stable.
Not carbon fibre though, and it's heavy at 3kg.
Great tripod though.
 
I met a nature photography yesterday in Northumberland who has also just bought Gitzo legs and a UNIQ ball head with magical qualities... I watched the clip on line about it and it's making me ponder further. Anybody have experience of the UINQ ball head?
 
For wildlife photography on my Canon 500mm F/4L II, I use either a Gitzo GT2545T tripod with RRS BH-30 Ballhead or a Gitzo Systematic 3542LS with Levelling Base and Gitzo Fluid Gimbal Head.

Both support the weight but I tend to carry the lens and GT2545T Traveller tripod separately while walking rather than on my shoulder as even a RRS ballhead can move under weight when in that position.

I let someone spend half-an-hour with me shooting birds in flight on my Gitzo Fluid Gimbal while I mounted my lens on his Wimberley Gimbal 2 - He has now ordered the Gitzo gimbal and is selling his Wimberley! He is the third wildlife photographer in the last 2 weeks who has ordered one after trying out my Gitzo gimbal. I should get a commission!
 
The levelling base sounds like it does what the UNIQBALL head does as one item. I use a Wimberley in the UK but haven't got space / weight to take that away. Thanks Robin.
 
I met a nature photography yesterday in Northumberland who has also just bought Gitzo legs and a UNIQ ball head with magical qualities... I watched the clip on line about it and it's making me ponder further. Anybody have experience of the UINQ ball head?


I have used one a few times and a friend owns one. Good ball head which can take a bit of weight but certainly no magical qualities. A nice ball head but has its drawbacks like any other ball head.
 
I met a nature photography yesterday in Northumberland who has also just bought Gitzo legs and a UNIQ ball head with magical qualities... I watched the clip on line about it and it's making me ponder further. Anybody have experience of the UINQ ball head?

There's quite a lot of debate about UniqBall if you search. It has some unusual features for sure, but no magic. I think it suffered from being over-hyped by Andy Rouse who launched it over here, while he was also selling them. But he's found something even more magical now and swapped over to Flexline - he sells those too.

Some have tried UniqBall and stayed with it, others have moved on to the latest BIF'ers favourite, the new Gitzo fluid gimbal.
 
@RedRobin hi Robin, I was sure I saw you mention the specific leveling head you use but cannot find it needs it???

Please can you say again which make & model of levelling head you use?

TIA :)

PS the reason I ask it I had not realised these exist (no idea why I had not come across them before after so long an interest in photography!) and think I could do with one to compliment my manfrotto legs and Wimberly gimbal ;)
 
I've used a uniqball since it came out. It's by no means perfect and isn't a replacement if you really need the full functionality of a gimbal. Where it comes into its own is as a one size (nearly) fits all for doing more than one job. I wanted one lightweight head that would do both landscapes and wildlife with lenses from 24mm through to 400mm+. Only other option was a ball head but the sideways flop is a big drawback for me. The uniqball solved that sideways flop problem and feels quite stable, though can't be left at any angle like a gimbal head. If you don't do anything else than wildlife then the uniqball probably isn't as much use as a gimbal, but it's far better at landscapes than a gimbal head would be. Good as a single lighter option where a gimbal can't be taken or used due to size/weight limitations.

I think it suffered from being over-hyped by Andy Rouse who launched it over here, while he was also selling them. But he's found something even more magical now and swapped over to Flexline - he sells those too.
That's a good possibility as he's a bit marmite and some don't like pros recommending something but also selling it. it's possible to look past the hyper and who sells or recommends a bit of gear. A bit of research can soon get you past that, and let's be honest nearly every pro photographer, especially a manufacturers ambassadors, are trying to sell you something making out it's the best thing that you can't do without and everything else is rubbish (just look what happens when new cameras come out).

One of the biggest mistakes was marketing as a replacement for a gimbal, and by a wildlife photographer that divides opinions. It would never be a true replacement that can function the same as a gimbal in every way. If a gimbal is the best tool for what you are doing then use that. If you want something that fulfils most long lens needs, is also useful landscapes, is a little lighter and doesn't mean carrying two heads then the uniqball is worth looking at. It's by no means perfect, nothing ever is, it's just another tool that fills a slightly different niche.
 
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Anybody have experience of the UINQ ball head?

Ive been using one for about 3 years. I wrote about my feels and explained it use a bit further.

https://spark.adobe.com/page/QoWAd2dU8n0MQ/

It's a ball head with inbuilt levelling function and has no sideways flop like a normal ball head can. It's not specifically a gimbal replacement but can be of use for wildlife and long lenses, along with landscapes.
 
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