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OK So I have never used an ND filter before.. This will be for a canon 70-200 mk2.. Any recomendations please ?


ADDY ON BIT : Thinking variable as for sports and need to change on the go while filming.
 
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I recommend the Kase Magnetic filters. Much quicker to fit and remove.


From what little I know.. and that is little... Doesn't that system benefit different filters rather than a variable one ?

Sorry just thinking as I type that a variable one might be good ?
 
Variables have issues with wide angle lenses (creating an X) but should be reasonable on a 70-200
I've not found the need for NDs in sports, slow enough shutter speeds for panning have always been available without. Increasing shutter speeds beyond my hardware has often been desirable!

I do find NDs very useful for long exposure shots (blurring waves & waterfalls, removing people etc.) where at least a 6 stop is normally best.
 
I've just reviewed a combined variable ND and CPL here although knowing your genre of work, it might be more fiddly than you'd want.
 
I've just reviewed a combined variable ND and CPL here although knowing your genre of work, it might be more fiddly than you'd want.
Surely all variable ND filters include a CPL the first part has to be a linear polariser, and while it works to have a linear as the second this limits there use as many cameras use polarisers for the AF & exposure sub systems, and these get messed up without the quarter wave plate.
 
From what little I know.. and that is little... Doesn't that system benefit different filters rather than a variable one ?

Sorry just thinking as I type that a variable one might be good ?

You never mentioned variable in your OP

A variable ND is really just two polarising filters sandwiched together and can cause issues with wide angle lenses. However kase do magnetic variable ND filters too if that's what you want
 
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I've not found the need for NDs in sports, slow enough shutter speeds for panning have always been available without. Increasing shutter speeds beyond my hardware has often been desirable!


To shoot 4k/50 i should be using 100 shutter speed yes? .. if i want f2.8 then even on a cloudy day with minimum iso its still over exposed
 
You never mentioned variable in your OP

A variable ND is really just two polarising filters sandwiched together and can cause issues with wide angle lenses. However kase do magnetic variable ND filters too if that's what you want


I know I mentioned t in my reply because I forgot sorry :)
 
I have no idea how ND filters work... I thought it was one filter I put on end of lens... appretly it s polorisor as well ?

I will be shooting sports with canon 1dx3 and 70-200 .. 4k/50 and f2.8 with minimum iso thats letting in too much light on most days...

whats the best thing to do ????
 
1 filter is not a polariser.

Variables are 2 polarisers sandwiched together but 1 turns independently of the other
 
I have no idea how ND filters work... I thought it was one filter I put on end of lens... appretly it s polorisor as well ?

I will be shooting sports with canon 1dx3 and 70-200 .. 4k/50 and f2.8 with minimum iso thats letting in too much light on most days...

whats the best thing to do ????
I've seen filters in flavours of ND with a fixed value, variable ND value and now ND's combined with a polariser however I've only ever used fixed ND's.

For video, if I'm shooting wide open I'll often have to stick fixed ND filter for the relevant stops in order to maintain the desired motion (you're achieving this by using your 1/100s shutter speed at 50fps which equates to a 180 degree shutter).

in fact, I'm using my ND filters more often than not because Base ISO for the log footage on my camera is 640. There are loads of brand specific reviews on YouTube but I'd probably recommend a variable ND as your use cases are likely to vary a lot more than mine.
 
To shoot 4k/50 i should be using 100 shutter speed yes? .. if i want f2.8 then even on a cloudy day with minimum iso its still over exposed
I see, I never shoot video, but would rarely stick to f/2.8 either (my long lenses don't even reach 2.8)
 
I have no idea how ND filters work... I thought it was one filter I put on end of lens... appretly it s polorisor as well ?

I will be shooting sports with canon 1dx3 and 70-200 .. 4k/50 and f2.8 with minimum iso thats letting in too much light on most days...

whats the best thing to do ????
A normal polariser will block roughly 50% of the light, unless two are used together. Normal ND filters usually block more there are multiple ways of describing them but the simplest is the number of stops it changes the exposure by, 2 stop, doubles the exposure, 4 stop quadruples it... I have ND filters from 2 stops to ~18 stops, the darkest of these blocking UV & IR as well so is safe for viewing/photographing the sun.
 
Whichever way you go, purchase the filter for your largest diameter lens, then use stepdown rings if you need to use it with another lens, saves a lot of cost duplication.

All my filters and I don't have many are 82mm then I have 2 stepdown rings so I can use them with other diameter lenses if need be
 
OK So I have never used an ND filter before.. This will be for a canon 70-200 mk2.. Any recomendations please ?


ADDY ON BIT : Thinking variable as for sports and need to change on the go while filming.
If you want to shoot at say f/5.6 and 1/50th second on a sunny day you will need around 3 stops of ND if you want to shoot wide open at f/2.8 you will need around 6 stops.

I now carry a 3 stop (ND8) and 6 stop (ND64) which covers most of my still and video work. Fixed filters generally better quality with less colour shift and you can buy 2 for the price of a comparable VND. I use B&W as I found they have the least colour shift.

Andrew HATFIELD | Architectural and Interior Photographer
 
If you want to shoot at say f/5.6 and 1/50th second on a sunny day you will need around 3 stops of ND if you want to shoot wide open at f/2.8 you will need around 6 stops.

I now carry a 3 stop (ND8) and 6 stop (ND64) which covers most of my still and video work. Fixed filters generally better quality with less colour shift and you can buy 2 for the price of a comparable VND. I use B&W as I found they have the least colour shift.

Andrew HATFIELD | Architectural and Interior Photographer


any reccomendation on make? or actual filter please.. been googling and youtubing.. colour casts and vignetting... only being use don 70-200 ... so people actually used them on here i would rather take note of :)

i do want f2.8 mostly
 
any reccomendation on make? or actual filter please.. been googling and youtubing.. colour casts and vignetting... only being use don 70-200 ... so people actually used them on here i would rather take note of :)

i do want f2.8 mostly
If you want to shoot at f/2.8 I would start with and ND64 and go from there. The best ones are B&W/Polarpro at about £150 all the way down to K+F which are about £50. Although I always buy filters used.
 
Surely all variable ND filters include a CPL the first part has to be a linear polariser, and while it works to have a linear as the second this limits there use as many cameras use polarisers for the AF & exposure sub systems, and these get messed up without the quarter wave plate.
Yes and no... AFAIK, all VND's use a CPL nearest the camera for the reason you noted. But because the orientation of the CPL is not variable relative to the orientation of the light VND's do not do a good job of cancelling polarized light/reflections.

The advantage designs like the H&Y have is that you can first set the angle of the CPL to cancel reflections, and then you can set the LPL (VND) angle to reduce what remains. I suppose you could do the same with other VND's by not screwing them all the way onto the lens.

And with live-view focusing/video recording (and mirrorless cameras) the CPL function is not necessary; it works just as well with polarized light. So I suppose it is possible that some VND's made specifically for videography may not incorporate the 1/4 wave plate and I'm just not aware of them.
 
any reccomendation on make? or actual filter please.. been googling and youtubing.. colour casts and vignetting... only being use don 70-200 ... so people actually used them on here i would rather take note of :)

i do want f2.8 mostly
I can't specifically recommend a particular VND as the one I use is no longer in production (it's also not particularly great). But I have been very happy with the NiSi filters I have purchased. I find there can be a lot more variability with the other brands depending on which "line" you go with... and unfortunately price isn't always the best indicator. That said, the NiSi filters I have bought have not been cheap.

Personally, for your use I would go with a VND. And if I were buying now I would probably get the NiSi Swift True Color VND set.
 
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I can't specifically recommend a particular VND as the one I use is no longer in production (it's also not particularly great). But I have been very happy with the NiSi filters I have purchased. I find there can be a lot more variability with the other brands depending on which "line" you go with... and unfortunately price isn't always the best indicator. That said, the NiSi filters I have bought have not been cheap.

Personally, for your use I would go with a VND. And if I were buying now I would probably get the NiSi Swift True Color VND set.


I came accross nisi a lot while looking into it ..also haida .. cheers :)
 
If you want to shoot at f/2.8 I would start with and ND64 and go from there. The best ones are B&W/Polarpro at about £150 all the way down to K+F which are about £50. Although I always buy filters used.


This one?
 
This one?
I haven't used any K+F filters but they come out OK in reviews, it's had to see how you can go far wrong for £20. You will probably get some colour cast but providing you adjust for it that shouldn't be an issue.
 
I have one of these filters On my 17-40 or any of my primes 24, 28, 50 & 55 it works great, I use it a lot. On my 70-200 or 400 prime it doesnt, you can never get it to focus.
 
For video I’ve only needed ND8. I set up the camera with custom modes for photos and video to take of the settings. It doesn’t take long to put the filter on and off. A magnetic or drop in system would be better than screw on. I have a couple of variable ND filters but haven’t used them much.
 
K&f concept x series or better x pro are perfectly fine. It is not something I need to use often but when I do it just works
And bare in mind this will prevent attaching lens hood
 
I haven't used any K+F filters but they come out OK in reviews, it's had to see how you can go far wrong for £20. You will probably get some colour cast but providing you adjust for it that shouldn't be an issue.
To honest all stronger Nd filters will give correctable colour cast, and sometimes strong one. Premium brands are certainly not immune to this
 
THANKS everyone.. I knew next to nothing about ND filters a couple of days ago

I have not ordered a variable one which I thought was going to be best but it seems not as good.. bit like the difference between a prime and a zoom lens

I have ordered one to test the water.. I am not expecting bright sunshine next few months haha so have gone for a K&F concept ND64 as advised to experiment with this coming weekend.. I ahve a womens football game to video for highlights.. Usually use camcorder which doesnt have a ND need but going to use dslr and 70-200 .. fingers crossed.
 
To honest all stronger Nd filters will give correctable colour cast, and sometimes strong one. Premium brands are certainly not immune to this
Color casts are never fully correctable. Particularly a color cast caused by a filter; and that is because a filter affects the different photosites unequally, and the photosites are also weighted unequally when determining the demosaiced color. Even just an ETTR shift and recovery will cause color shifts that cannot be fully corrected in post... you can correct some colors, but it will not be correct for all colors.

But it's usually not that important... fact is, your camera probably isn't recording all colors correctly to start with; even if "calibrated."

I have not ordered a variable one which I thought was going to be best but it seems not as good.. bit like the difference between a prime and a zoom lens
I would say that is a very good analogy... i.e. you can get a zoom that compares well to a prime, but it costs exponentially more.
 
I was curious why ND8 is the one I go to, so I ran some numbers for shooting f2.8 1/100th sec shutter speed and ISO 400 (to give a bit of flexibility in lighting conditions).

Base exposure without filter would be around f/16 and 1/400s. Shooting at f/2.8, is a 5-stop increase. Moving to 1/100s is another 2-stops, so 7 stops altogether. ND8 is 3 stops so I must be shooting in lower light.
 
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