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One need this morning I have heard of a number of coalition attacks on the following:

Islamic State
ISIS
ISIL
IS known as ISIS
ISIS known as IS

All I want to know is which is it...? :confused:
 
Obliterated is what it should be.
 
It's about time they made up their mind to what they want to be called ....
 
The name changes depending which sources of information you read.
The term ISIL means Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, and refers to the potential Islamification of all Middle East countries including others such as Southern Turkey and Cyprus.
I would also suggest that anyone considering a holiday in the last two places should maybe reconsider.
 
archangel said:
One need this morning I have heard of a number of coalition attacks on the following:

Islamic State
ISIS
ISIL
IS known as ISIS
ISIS known as IS

All I want to know is which is it...? :confused:
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I am sick of listening to radio/TV presenters. They seem to think that every time they mention these vermin they need to quote every known variation of their name. Sounds stupid and is bloody tiresome.
 
In fairness, I think their name is the least of our worries when it comes to these b@stards.
 
I must admit, when I first heard a while back that ISIS had occupied Mosul, I did wonder what the Oxford University Boat Club were doing in Iraq.
 
If you really want to refer to them by name I suggest Da'ish (spelling varies) since that is what Arabic speakers call them - which you can check on TV. Although it comes from an acronym it is said to be pejorative (I am guessing there is some double meaning) and best of all "...the jihadist group objects to the term and has advised against its usage" according to the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27994277
 
sphexx said:
If you really want to refer to them by name I suggest Da'ish (spelling varies) since that is what Arabic speakers call them - which you can check on TV. Although it comes from an acronym it is said to be pejorative (I am guessing there is some double meaning) and best of all "...the jihadist group objects to the term and has advised against its usage" according to the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27994277
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This. Apparently there is no literal translation from the Arabic (as there often isn't).
 
Hopefully it will soon be the extinct terrorist group formerly known as..........
 
I quite like the way R4 used to insist on calling them "the so called Islamic State". By most reasonable definitions they are neither Islamic nor a state.
 
I saw this on Twitter:

#ISIL falsely claims to embody the true Islam, inspiring Islamophobia. #JSIL falsely claims to represent all Jews, inspiring anti-Semitism.
 
According to Anjem Choudray, in an interview on Levant TV prior to his arrest, there is no such thing as moderate Islam, or extremist Islam, there is only Islam. (@ 04:10 in):

 
I have never in my life thought this of anyone before who wasn't in a secure unit, but that man is pure evil.
 
simon ess said:
I have never in my life thought this of anyone before who wasn't in a secure unit, but that man is pure evil.
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Exactly, but our politicians of ALL persuasions are too frightened to stand up to these people, because they fear losing the "minority vote".
The Wiki article is a good place to start, but there is far more information on this evil man if you are prepared to look for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary

These people have no interest in integrating with our society, they wish to destroy it.
I have heard these people say that "democracy is incompatible with Islam".
We tolerate these people at our peril.
 
Quite.

I think it's worth pointing out though, that I in no way associate him with the overwhelming majority of muslims.

The few muslims I meet think much the same about him as I do.
 
simon ess said:
Quite.

I think it's worth pointing out though, that I in no way associate him with the overwhelming majority of muslims.

The few muslims I meet think much the same about him as I do.
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I have wondered if it may be possible to organise a massive march(s) protesting against the actions of ISIL, just as we did for the anti war demonstraions more than a decade ago.
It would be interesting to see the demographic of people who marched, and which segments of the comminity were conspicuous by their absence.
I agree with you, because I also know a few Muslims, and they detest the actions of these barbaric animals.
However, I also suspect that in some Muslim communities (from a particular background), their would not be any enthusiasm for demonstrating against the actions of ISIL.
 
andy700 said:
I have wondered if it may be possible to organise a massive march(s) protesting against the actions of ISIL, just as we did for the anti war demonstraions more than a decade ago.
It would be interesting to see the demographic of people who marched, and which segments of the comminity were conspicuous by their absence.
I agree with you, because I also know a few Muslims, and they detest the actions of these barbaric animals.
However, I also suspect that in some Muslim communities (from a particular background), their would not be any enthusiasm for demonstrating against the actions of ISIL.
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But who would you be demonstrating to….and where?
Anti war marches generally take place around seats of government (or their satellite establishments), and are carried out to protest against that governments involvement in said conflict, or at least that’s how I view it.
Our government? Like them or loathe them, they’ve already shown how much they like IS – by bombing them.
I always thought the aim of protesting was to try to bring about change, by demonstrating to those who can bring that change about.
At any rate, please don’t rally outside the Iraqi Embassy in Queen’s Gate. I have to go there 2-3 times a week, and you’ll make it look untidy :lol:
 
viv1969 said:
But who would you be demonstrating to….and where?
Anti war marches generally take place around seats of government (or their satellite establishments), and are carried out to protest against that governments involvement in said conflict, or at least that’s how I view it.
Our government? Like them or loathe them, they’ve already shown how much they like IS – by bombing them.
I always thought the aim of protesting was to try to bring about change, by demonstrating to those who can bring that change about.
At any rate, please don’t rally outside the Iraqi Embassy in Queen’s Gate. I have to go there 2-3 times a week, and you’ll make it look untidy :LOL:
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I was thinking of marches in centres of major cities, with people clearly demonstrating against ISIL. It may seem futile, but it may show the people who is actually prepared to put their head above the parapet and demonstrate.
If it was simply white/British people, then that would bring into question where the loyalties of the British Muslim community lay.
I must admit that the last place I would think of demonstrating outside is the Iraqi embassy (or for that matter the Syrian embassy). I do however think that the Gulf states - Saudi, UAE. Qatar etc need a shake up, because that is where most of the funding for ISIL originates.
 
andy700 said:
I was thinking of marches in centres of major cities, with people clearly demonstrating against ISIL. It may seem futile, but it may show the people who is actually prepared to put their head above the parapet and demonstrate.
If it was simply white/British people, then that would bring into question where the loyalties of the British Muslim community lay.
I must admit that the last place I would think of demonstrating outside is the Iraqi embassy (or for that matter the Syrian embassy). I do however think that the Gulf states - Saudi, UAE. Qatar etc need a shake up, because that is where most of the funding for ISIL originates.
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I do see what you're saying, I just think it an utterly futile exercise as no one connected to IS will give a toss.
In fact just doing it would just serve to inflate them further IMO, like feeding pure oxygen to a fire.
 
It was more of a come and get me to the Police...... they had managed to keep the crowd back but this guy managed wriggle his way across to the embassy and struck the pose....
 
Andy

Apart from an exercise in finding out who's against ISIL/ISIS or whatever they want to call themselves this week, it would achieve nothing. It might well have the opposite effect, attracting those who don't like any race and start a mass punch up. While I always looked forward to a good bundle when I was a Police Officers, really, they do have other things to do.

Anyway, Viv's right, they really do not care what we think, they only have one aim in life, and it's not confined to the Levant. Turkey is reasonably safe, so long as you are the other end of the Country from Syria, and so is Cyprus, too many vested interests there, who wouldn't want it to be attacked, there's so much spying going on in the land of my birth, it glows in the dark!
 
Bernie174 said:
Andy

Apart from an exercise in finding out who's against ISIL/ISIS or whatever they want to call themselves this week, it would achieve nothing. It might well have the opposite effect, attracting those who don't like any race and start a mass punch up. While I always looked forward to a good bundle when I was a Police Officers, really, they do have other things to do.

Anyway, Viv's right, they really do not care what we think, they only have one aim in life, and it's not confined to the Levant. Turkey is reasonably safe, so long as you are the other end of the Country from Syria, and so is Cyprus, too many vested interests there, who wouldn't want it to be attacked, there's so much spying going on in the land of my birth, it glows in the dark!
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You sound like my brother, also a retired police officer, when he talks about the miners' strike....a good bundle :lol:
 
I tend to think that ISIS is an ironic name for an islamic group , given that Isis was a pagan goddess who's worshipers gave mohhamed quite a hard time and indeed were instrumental in kicking him out of mecca ... its also even more ironic that when that happened he was given sanctuary in a christian shrine (greek orthodox IIRC)

Also given the Christians, Jews and muslims are all 'people of the book' and muslims don't (or shouldnt) consider the other two infidels, I can't help but think that this isnt really about faith, but about power.
 
ISIS is an acronym....not a given name. Rather different to the Egyptian goddess of light and magic.
 
viv1969 said:
ISIS is an acronym....not a given name. Rather different to the Egyptian goddess of light and magic.
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except that its spelt and pronounced exactly the same , of course I and everyone else know that they didn't actually intend it to be a reference to the goddess who determines who shall sit on the throne... hence the point that its ironic that they picked an acronym that is spelt and sounds like a pagan goddess :bang: kinnel its hard work in here
 
big soft moose said:
except that its spelt and pronounced exactly the same , of course I and everyone else know that they didn't actually intend it to be a reference to the goddess who determines who shall sit on the throne... hence the point that its ironic that they picked an acronym that is spelt and sounds like a pagan goddess :banghead: kinnel its hard work in here
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There they're and their are all spelled different too...but it doesn't take a genius to know the difference.
Your point would be valid if only you weren't discussing two different things.

Treat us though, to the arabic pronunciation. ..please. :sleep::sleep::sleep:
 
viv1969 said:
Your point would be valid if only you weren't discussing two different things.
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Ooh for f***'s good sake, its ironic because they are two different things that are spelt and pronounced the same (in English).. - seriously I know you are only arguing because you like the sound of your own voice but you're just making yourself look stupid now.

That's what coincidence means, and its the unintended coincidence which is ironic .... dear god its like kindergarten in here only less intelligent
 
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Moving on from tonight's thrilling episode of pointless (and inaccurate) pedantry . back on the OP None of the descriptions are particularly accurate , but you'd probably find that they aren't one big group but a collective of smaller cells anyway so they probably don't have one name decided on themselves... its like the Judean peoples Front, or the peoples front of Judea , or the popular front of Judea - splitters , etc
 
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big soft moose said:
Ooh for f***'s good sake, its ironic because they are two different things that are spelt and pronounced the same (in English).. - seriously I know you are only arguing because you like the sound of your own voice but you're just making yourself look stupid now.

That's what coincidence means, and its the unintended coincidence which is ironic .... dear god
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Well heavens don't you wind easily :lol:
You made a crap and frankly p*** poor comparison Pete. Accept it and get over youself :lol:
 
http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/

These guys in theory could unleash a real inferno near Oxford :) - at first I was really confused about their recent collaborations in Iraq and Syria :lol:
 
viv1969 said:
Well heavens don't you wind easily :LOL:
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Well at least you admit that you are just trolling - you must have a very sad life if that's how you spend your time

viv1969 said:
You made a crap and frankly p*** poor comparison Pete. Accept it and get over youself :LOL:
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As I said when in a hole stop digging - it wasn't a comparison , it was an observation that its ironic that an Islamic group have an acronym which is also the name of a pagan goddess who's followers persecuted the founder of the Islamic faith. For someone who claims to have a law degree you aren't very good on the meanings of words.

Also I know you like to claim to be an expert on (pretty much everything but in particular) the Islamic region because you work for a shipping company which does some business in the area, but if that were true surely you'd have something more pertinent to add to this thread rather than frankly pathetic hair splitting and pedantry
 
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