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I'm planning to go and buy a Fuji this weekend, either in the shop or internet. Unsure to buy new or use at the moment. Coming from a Nikon D700 user (I still own a D3 and pro lens) I want something similar to that but a bit less weight and possibly a bit smaller. Something that could potentially backup the D3 if that fails.

With my budget I can only stretch for something like XT-10 or XT-1. I got around £700 to spend on a Fuji. May put a bit more depend what I'm getting.

I will go try these camera out on Saturday but is always good to have some expectation on these bodies.

Ideally I'm interest on the 35mm f1.4 lens. Here are my options:

1) Brand new XT-10 (with cash back) is £370 and 35mm f1.4 (with cash back) is £450 = £820
or
2) Brand new XT10 with 16-50mm £470 (inc cash back) and have spare cash to put towards a used 35mm f1.4
or
3) Brand new XT10 with 18-55mm £640 (in cash back)
or
4) Fuji refurbhish XT-1 with 18-55mm £830

It seems my only realistic option to get the 35mm is with the XT10.

What are the handling of the XT1 and XT10 like compare to a ungrip Nikon D700?
 
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Discount code will knock about fifty quid or so off the refurb price, search on here for the current one, last one I used was PAYPAL12
 
Discount code only works on Cameras including those that come with a lens
 
tijuana taxi said:
Discount code only works on Cameras including those that come with a lens
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Yeah I know but the 35mm refurb is cheap. Used is around £400 in some place and brand new is £450 (inc cash back) otherwise is £500
 
Bought mine on the classifieds for about 200 quid, looks like prices have shot up lately then
 
badboy1984 said:
Yeah I know but the 35mm refurb is cheap. Used is around £400 in some place and brand new is £450 (inc cash back) otherwise is £500
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Fuji 35mm f1.4 can be slow to focus. Maybe not as fast as you are used to. OK for tripod use, but apparently not ideal if you are planning on catching the kids/grandkids/pets running across the floor.
 
I have a D700 and an XT10. Handling is completely different due to the vast difference in size - the Fuji feels toy like in comparison, albeit a well made one. But that's the beauty of it - with a 27mm on it will easily fit in my coat pocket. The lack of a really defined finger grip takes some getting used to and the optional grip is way too expensive for me to bother buying.
 
mickledore said:
Fuji 35mm f1.4 can be slow to focus. Maybe not as fast as you are used to. OK for tripod use, but apparently not ideal if you are planning on catching the kids/grandkids/pets running across the floor.
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Damn, that's what I was planning to use it for. Not pets but kids definitely. Without using one I can't tell because I shoot with D3 and 50mm and 85mm. They are fast enough. You got me rethink now. XT1 with the 27mm f2.8 will look very silly due to the bigger body and small lens.

Are standard Fuji kit lens any good?

I fancy a XT1 silver version.
 
I use Fuji gear. Don't want to get into yet another argument on mirrorless v DSLR!!!
I had a 35 f1.4 (Long story, don't ask). Don't have kids/grandkids/pets and most of my photography is done on a tripod. The lens could at times be slow to focus. Didn't seem to be any pattern to it, and it improved on the X-T2. Nothing that I could put my finger on; I just had a feeling that it wasn't as fast as my previous 5D3 et al. It wasn't a length I used too much so sold it. Images were sharp and no complaints about the results.
I do still have the 18-55 kit lens, and that is a very good piece of kit, although it might not fit in your pocket on either body.
I'm not best placed to talk about snapping the little darlings on the carpet, but for my landscape/architecture/general walkabout stuff it is perfectly acceptable. One of the better kit lenses, and really is much better than that term implies.
My BIL is looking at moving from 5D3 to X-T1 and they seem to be going for approx £700 inc 18-55 lens. He has my T1 and lens at present so even though you and I are not too far apart I can't let you have a play - sorry!
 
This is like stepping putting my Toe in the pond on Fuji stuff. Hard to convince my wife on purchasing even tho I sold some stuff and not put too many cash towards it. Long story but after some argument I can go ahead and buy a Fuji. I want to get this right without she coming back at me saying "I told you blah blah". Don't want to buy something then I end up selling it again. Body wise is either XT1 or XT10, will decide after seeing the real thing. Lens wise I'm struggling now, settle with kit lens or the 35mm, but after hearing the 35mm is not too great on focus. I have to rethink. Altho I want to use the Fuji to capture my baby every moment but I also want the camera for travel and holiday use.
 
I feel your pain,i like to capture my cats that are very flirty,maybe a mix of my poor technique ,I liked the xt10 but I find it a lot more successful using my DSLR but as I say more me than the camera perhaps
 
badboy1984 said:
This is like stepping putting my Toe in the pond on Fuji stuff. Hard to convince my wife on purchasing even tho I sold some stuff and not put too many cash towards it. Long story but after some argument I can go ahead and buy a Fuji. I want to get this right without she coming back at me saying "I told you blah blah". Don't want to buy something then I end up selling it again. Body wise is either XT1 or XT10, will decide after seeing the real thing. Lens wise I'm struggling now, settle with kit lens or the 35mm, but after hearing the 35mm is not too great on focus. I have to rethink. Altho I want to use the Fuji to capture my baby every moment but I also want the camera for travel and holiday use.
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I was a full on Canon user 5D3 and lenses all the way to 400mm f 2.8. I wanted a second camera when out with SWMBO. I bought a T1 2nd hand on here which was more camera than I needed, but the price was right. Came with kit lens. Very soon I realised that I wasn't taking out my Canon gear at all. I started buying Fuji primes and after about 9 months SWMBO asked why I hadn't sold the Canon gear as I never used it. So I sold it. Don't miss it at all. Fuji files seem very good indeed. Lenses are pin sharp although some - notably the 60mm macro - are slow to focus. Can print out to A3 no problem and as for internet use I defy anyone to tell the difference. T2 is a different beast again, another level up but probably outside your range at present.

My aforementioned BIL is King Pixel Peeper. He's more interested in looking at 100% crops than standing back and looking at the image. He's happy with Fuji.
There does seem to be some resistance to the whole mirrorless concept. This is a generalisation, but the folk who have most trouble accepting the system seem to come from the camp of Nikon users. No idea why that should be, but some threads on here have got heated and bans have been handed out - so I'm not getting involved in that debate.

If you want all the benefits and features of a DSLR but in a nice pocket sized package then you will/might be disappointed. If you want a camera system that will more or less cover what you are seeking then mirrorless will/should be what you need. Don't know if you were around in the film days of yore, but mirrorless systems nowadays are about the same size as SLR film cameras used to be. Remember....the camera that can do everything you want at a price and size you want hasn't been, and probably never will be, invented.
 
tijuana taxi said:
Bought mine on the classifieds for about 200 quid, looks like prices have shot up lately then
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Asking prices for Fuji gear in the Classifieds have shown an inexplicable rise of late, I've seen asking prices 60-70% higher than I paid for the same kit 9-12 months ago. With the 35/1.4 it's almost explainable, there was a glut when the 35/2 was announced and it seems the supply has dried up and some folk are moving back to the 35/1.4.

If I was the OP I'd look at a refurb X-E2S over a new X-T10, unfortunately the kit isn't in stock. The refurb X-T1 kit looks a decent deal, and you've the option of selling the lens and putting that towards a used 35/1.4 or 23/1.4.
 
mickledore said:
If you want all the benefits and features of a DSLR but in a nice pocket sized package then you will/might be disappointed. If you want a camera system that will more or less cover what you are seeking then mirrorless will/should be what you need. Don't know if you were around in the film days of yore, but mirrorless systems nowadays are about the same size as SLR film cameras used to be. Remember....the camera that can do everything you want at a price and size you want hasn't been, and probably never will be, invented.
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I don't expect the Fuji to get the same result as my full on D3 kit. Ideally this camera will be use for social, travel and family purpose where I can take it with me and still capture stunning images. I tried my wife's Lumix GF3 and a pancake lens, I did not like the M43 at all. Personally I think XT1 or XT10 will do the job, is just whether I want that extra functions of the XT1. Ideally I want the Fuji to be my D3 backup if anything happens. Better to have a camera then no camera. I believe the XT1 is slightly smaller then the D700 and the Xt10 is slightly smaller then XT1. Smaller then D700 and weight less is a good start. I like the size of my Nikkonmat film camera but that thing weights a ton along with a old 50mm lens.
 
mickledore said:
I was a full on Canon user 5D3 and lenses all the way to 400mm f 2.8.... I sold it. Don't miss it at all.
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Of course that does raise the question as to why you even had a 400mm f2.8 in the first place...
 
badboy1984 said:
You got me rethink now. XT1 with the 27mm f2.8 will look very silly due to the bigger body and small lens.
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The 27mm looks good on the XT-1, great little lens too.


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On the 35mm, I would get the F2 every time over the 1.4. Just as sharp [some say even sharper] faster focusing, quieter and WR ... for less money!
 
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badboy1984 said:
I'm planning to go and buy a Fuji this weekend, either in the shop or internet. Unsure to buy new or use at the moment. Coming from a Nikon D700 user (I still own a D3 and pro lens) I want something similar to that but a bit less weight and possibly a bit smaller. Something that could potentially backup the D3 if that fails.

With my budget I can only stretch for something like XT-10 or XT-1. I got around £700 to spend on a Fuji. May put a bit more depend what I'm getting.

I will go try these camera out on Saturday but is always good to have some expectation on these bodies.

Ideally I'm interest on the 35mm f1.4 lens. Here are my options:

1) Brand new XT-10 (with cash back) is £370 and 35mm f1.4 (with cash back) is £450 = £820
or
2) Brand new XT10 with 16-50mm £470 (inc cash back) and have spare cash to put towards a used 35mm f1.4
or
3) Brand new XT10 with 18-55mm £640 (in cash back)
or
4) Fuji refurbhish XT-1 with 18-55mm £830

It seems my only realistic option to get the 35mm is with the XT10.

What are the handling of the XT1 and XT10 like compare to a ungrip Nikon D700?
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I have the D750 with a variety of lenses and recently bought the XT1 GSE as a lighter 'travel cam'. In terms of IQ there's not much in it, pros and cons of each. Handling wise there's pros and cons for each. In terms of AF there's no comparison.

I ummed and ahhed between the XT10 and XT1 as there's no difference in IQ and AF. My initial preference before trying then was for the XT10 as the whole point was for a small set up but when I tried them the XT1 was more comfortable to hold. Also the XT1 is weather sealed which swung it.

The 18-55mm is a surprisingly good lens imo, renders very nicely indeed and is sharp. AF is decent too. I also have the 35mm f1.4 and don't think the AF's that bad. Sure it's not the snappiest, but it's not as slow as say the Panny 20mm f1.7 imo. I can't comment whether it's fast enough to shoot kids though as I don't have any. I prefer the end result of the f1.4 over the f2 and that's what matters most to me.
 
I'm struggling with the same choice although I've decided on the 27mm I can't decide on a refurbished t10 for £350 or used t1 for £450. I'm 70% t1 but the size of the t10 is more appealing and the acros simulator would get a lot of use.
 
I've had/have both X-T10 and X-T1 and I can give you my opinions on using them both. The X-T10 is smaller but doesn't have such a positive grip as the T1, which means if you put a heavier lens on it, the camera will be unbalanced, so it's better to stick with smaller lenses like the 27, 18, 35 etc. The X-T1 gives a better grip, is weather sealed, and goes better with more lenses (I've used mine with the 50-140 without a battery grip and it was fine). I sold the X-T10 because I just felt that the X-T1 was better built, a better size, and gave me more confidence when using various lenses. There's nothing wrong with the X-T10 in terms of IQ and performance - it's a very nice camera to use. Coming from a D700 you may find it easier going with an X-T1, but you wouldn't be disappointed in either.

I'm selling my X-T1 at the moment because I've upgraded to a X-T2 but the X-T1 has been an excellent camera these past two years and I've shot in 'different types' of weather with no fear of anything happening.

As for lenses, you cannot go wrong with any TBH. The 18-55 is wonderful, a great workhorse and very sharp. I also have the 35 f1.4 and it's great. Another lens you might consider is the 18 f2. I'm sure these lenses will come up for sale on the forum, or places like MPB normally have them for fairly reasonable prices.
 
I pretty had my eye set on XT1 because I want extra grip and the balance to hold some heavier lens. Planning to get a Nikon to X mount adapter to use some of my old Nikon AI primes. Never use them on my Nikon because MF is pretty hard in my opinion, but with the EVF on the XT1 i'm sure it will be a bit easier.
 
rjbell said:
I'm struggling with the same choice although I've decided on the 27mm I can't decide on a refurbished t10 for £350 or used t1 for £450. I'm 70% t1 but the size of the t10 is more appealing and the acros simulator would get a lot of use.
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Isn't a brand new XT10 with cash back is around £370?
 
badboy1984 said:
Damn, that's what I was planning to use it for. Not pets but kids definitely. Without using one I can't tell because I shoot with D3 and 50mm and 85mm. They are fast enough. You got me rethink now. XT1 with the 27mm f2.8 will look very silly due to the bigger body and small lens.

Are standard Fuji kit lens any good?

I fancy a XT1 silver version.
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As @southernjessie has said the 18-55mm is an excellent lens and really doesn't warrant the name, kit lens, which is usually synonymous with slow soft lenses, something the 18-55 is most definately not

WEX have a number of Graphite Silver XT1's for sale and the refurb store has them at just over £650 with the paypal12 code.
 
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Kit lens really just signified a lens that usually came in a bundle with the camera, so it is one pretty much. Though I get ya, it's probably one of the best "kit lenses" on the market.
 
I definitely see what you guys mean. I think their are 2 "kit lens" that is different. 18-55mm and 16-50mm. The 18-55 I believe is f2.8-f4 and the 16-50mm is standard f3.5-5.6?

When I see those bundle it kind of remind me of those kit lens you usually get on a DSLR. I need to research a bit more on their zoom.
 
Don't try to compare the 18-55 lenses from Canon/Nikon to the Fuji mate - the 18-55 OIS simply destroys them and when used at optimal apertures can produce images approaching prime performance. I've used the 18-55 to produce a print 36"x24" with no loss of IQ and tack sharp, even when viewed close up. When I first switched to Fuji I simply dismissed the 18-55 but when I read 3-4 reviews I made it the first lens I actually bought.

badboy1984 said:
I definitely see what you guys mean. I think their are 2 "kit lens" that is different. 18-55mm and 16-50mm. The 18-55 I believe is f2.8-f4 and the 16-50mm is standard f3.5-5.6?

When I see those bundle it kind of remind me of those kit lens you usually get on a DSLR. I need to research a bit more on their zoom.
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Both 'kit' lenses are very good optically, the 18-55 definitely feels more robust, as its a proper metal bodied affair, rather than the plastic bodied 16-50. The IQ on the 18-55 is very good, and well above kit offerings from Canikon
 
Time to rethink I guess. I originally wanted prime only but small zoom like the 18-55 is definitely very useful on holiday. Possibly I can get the zoom first and then add a prime later.
 
badboy1984 said:
Time to rethink I guess. I originally wanted prime only but small zoom like the 18-55 is definitely very useful on holiday. Possibly I can get the zoom first and then add a prime later.
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Good idea I think. Then you'll know for certain what focal length prime you fancy most. Shoot a bunch at 18/23/27/35, see what fits your style best.
 
The slightly slower (in terms of maximum aperture) 18-135 is an even better holiday lens than the 18-55 IMO. The extra reach makes it so much more versatile than the 18-55 and in terms of IQ, you'll be hard pushed to see any difference in the real world.
 
badboy1984 said:
Time to rethink I guess. I originally wanted prime only but small zoom like the 18-55 is definitely very useful on holiday. Possibly I can get the zoom first and then add a prime later.
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I've actually bought the 18-135mm as I found on my recent hol the 18-55mm was still quite restrictive. I've not managed to part with the 18-55mm though as it's such a nice lens.
 
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