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Im thinking of selling my pretty much brand new Canon 6D, im a self learner and am trying to decide whether to just get a Sony Rx 10 mk 3 or Sony Rx 100?
The pics i take are mostly of horses, at home or competition ( for myself ) or my children, pets etc, and sceneries.
im guessing these cameras are simple to use?
Which of these would suit best?
 
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Why are you thinking of this - is the full frame camera disappointing you in some way? I have heard good things about the RX100 range particularly for travel. In terms of the amount that you will be able to do with them in the long term.. Not so sure.
 
No its a lovely camera im just after something smaller and more convenient
 
Well, if you can afford to keep them both, I would do that. There are often interest free deals around the decent independents. I am in Herefordshire and use Clifton Cameras; Chris knows his stuff - I picked his brains last month before I bought another DSLR. Oops.
 
Id need to sell my 6d to afford the Sony sadly.
I will contact them as local to me.
 
I have seen them both and the RX 100 series would fit in your pocket but they are chalk and cheese. What do you usually photograph?
 
Another thing you can do is enter the name of the camera and Flickr and if there is a group dedicated to the camera you will find it and see what the owners can get from it.
 
Main difference between the RX10 and RX100 is the zoom and physical size. IQ should be the same. I would discount the RX100 as 70mm reach isn't much at all and you'll struggle with horse competitions. TBH though I wouldn't choose either for the type of shooting you want to do, especially anything fast moving. If size is an issue have you considered going for one of the smaller APS-C DSLRs with smaller APS-C lenses?

As for simple to use, they are no more simple or difficult to use than a DSLR. You can have them in full auto, just like you can a DSLR, or have full manual control, or anywhere in between.
 
You can get all in one lenses such as 18-300 and 24-300 (depending on format) and whilst IQ isn't the absolute greatest I still think this would be a better option than the RX100. YMMV
 
Neither will be a patch on the 6d as good as they are (I have both the 6d and the RX100 amongst other cameras) and neither the RX100 and RX10 are really suited to your subject matter - for horse competitions at least you need a DSLR or CSC system, there are no two ways about it. For kids and pets etc you'd miss the quick AF of the dslr.

Did you ever learn to use the 6d properly (for those who havn't spoken with Donna, I'm not being rude, she struggled to get to grips with it!), as last time we spoke you were very much learning, I think you were going to buy books etc? The basic principles of it extend to all cameras.
 
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Thanks Jim, yes I posted a few pics other day in the critiques groups. Yes pics are ok I guess. I've still got lots to learn. IMG_1471729903.139979.jpg
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friesianfan69 said:
My sigma 70-200 lens f/4
And f/16
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Hmmm. It should look better than that? They lack definition and clarity and dont seem in focus (though this could be the upload, might be better to link through Flickr?), with little background separation (and as above, why f/16?). I'm not saying this is perfect, but this was with a 6d and 85mm prime (this is how I try and do my animal portraits, not saying its to everyones taste), shot at f/2.5;

Fin 25th June 16 d by Jim, on Flickr

Mind you, this is a little off topic!
 
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friesianfan69 said:
How do I get those right?
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Before we go into that, do you understand the relationship between ISO, shutter speed and what speeds are needed given the circumstances (so your ISO isn't pushed too high) and how aperture affects the depth of field?
 
I have a canon ef 24-105 f/4 usm and a sigma 70-300mm sorry 1:4-5.6 apo
I'm starting to get the triangle thing but still confuses me a bit ( don't take much ) [emoji4]
 
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I have a canon ef 24-105 f/4 usm and a sigma 70-300mm sorry 1:4-5.6 apo
I'm starting to get the triangle thing but still confuses me a bit ( don't take much ) [emoji4]
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Very different to the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8! See my post above though, you have very capable kit in the 6d and 24-105L (not so much the Sigma 70-300). I feel the very basics aren't understood if you don't mind me saying, so kit might not be the answer!

To get the best out of the 6d you really need to understand the basics!
 
friesianfan69 said:
I have a canon ef 24-105 f/4 usm and a sigma 70-300mm sorry 1:4-5.6 apo
I'm starting to get the triangle thing but still confuses me a bit ( don't take much ) [emoji4]
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Are the images cropped heavily as, now I've been looking on the computer rather than the phone I can see what oddjim means. The detail and IQ isn't great, almost look a bit pixelated like you'd get from a heavy crop, or maybe you've just uploaded at really low res?

Learning ISO, aperture and shutter speed, how they work together and how each influences the picture can really transform you pictures. To get 'pop' from an image you generally (although not exclusively) want to shoot with a wide aperture (small f-number). Light also is important to make things pop.
 
friesianfan69 said:
What kit would be better?
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I would concentrate on technique first before starting to worry about that tbh, whilst not the best 70-300mm lens you should still be able to get nice images with it.
 
friesianfan69 said:
What kit would be better?
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Noooo, the kit is fine (but as I said a while back, replace that 70-300!). I think you should look at technique and maybe read some books, get a better understanding of how the basics work. Don't think of the triangle, just work out how ISO, Aperture and shutter speeds work on their own. Then progress from there. Maybe shoot on aperture priority so you have the creative side of the aperture covered, then just adjust ISO to match the required shutter speed and go from there.
 
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I just wonder if that Sigma has IS or whatever Sigma calls it? Could the photos have a bit of camera shake on them? Just a thought!
 
Donna having owned the RX100mk3 I found it too small and the reach wasn't enough, it's great for the night on the town and shoving in your jeans pocket. If you have to have Sony then the RX10iii but there expensive for a bridge camera, consider the LUMIX FZ1000 is good also and more than 700 cheaper, I don't think Sonys pricing is great. That being said the Sony unit is the best current bridge and has a very sharp lens...for a do it all unit then that's where I throw my money.... Or buy a 70-200 for the 6D
I sold my RX100 and eventually bought the TZ100 a mini FZ1000, the whole ergonomics of the larger RX and FZ are better for more serious work the small jeans esk units are fine for quick snaps and travel.....hence why I reinvested in a longer reach pocket unit for the time I didn't want to lug a bag about....

RX10mk3 gets my vote or a lens for the 6D
 
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No wasn't heavily cropped, think I'll give up lol
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You shouldn't give up, once the basics have clicked you'll see your pictures improve in leaps and bounds. It might have been diffraction causing some of the IQ issues. When you start getting into higher f number IQ will deteriorate and I'm not sure when the Sigma starts to deteriorate.

Maybe these will help?
https://photographylife.com/iso-shutter-speed-and-aperture-for-beginners
https://photographylife.com/what-is-aperture-in-photography
https://photographylife.com/what-is-shutter-speed-in-photography
https://photographylife.com/what-is-iso-in-photography
 
wellyboot said:
I just wonder if that Sigma has IS or whatever Sigma calls it? Could the photos have a bit of camera shake on them? Just a thought!
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They don't look like the main issue is camera shake to me tbh.
 
friesianfan69 said:
What kit would be better?
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Bluntness alert.

In your first post here, you were bemoaning your results and asked what had gone wrong. Everyone told you that the combination of a tricky subject, crap light and lack of technique was to blame. In a long and detailed post I gave you some advice about 'seeing the light' and how important that was, also the importance of practice and other people suggested you upgrade the one 2nd rate lens you own.

I think it'd be advantageous to re-read that original thread to be honest. To see how far you've come, and how much of that original advice you've still not grasped.

It wasn't your first post, it was this one.
 
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I can take blunt, I'm one of those people that learns better from experience rather then reading I guess. But don't know any photographers to ask
 
friesianfan69 said:
I can take blunt, I'm one of those people that learns better from experience rather then reading I guess. But don't know any photographers to ask
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You have done and we've answered :)

Did you read those books we recommended a while ago?
 
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