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...been reading this...

Peter Fox sought over deaths of mother and her daughter in Bootle - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-32364609


And on the radio the police think he may have fled to London... It got me thinking if you wanted to disappear would it be possible without someone being alerted through the media or social sites?...would a large city be better or a remote village?... And how much would you need to alter your looks to avoid identification?

All hypothetical of course......how would you disappear?
 
one way ticket, paid in cash to a non extraditing country.
 
Well, as you've got to live, in this country it'd have to be a stolen identity or sink into the black economy or straight out theft of food etc. or a homeless shelter, but your cover story landing there would have to be solid and I'm not sure you could do that without raising suspicion.

So as above; abroad is probably a better bet.

Of course the other alternative is being shielded by a friend / relative, but that's a risky one that's difficult to keep up for a long time.
 
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No phone, no bank card, no contact with friends.
 
You could have a phone so long as you've cut yourself off completely from everyone you knew previously.
 
You can always run but rarely hide indefinitely. People (and I mean those trying to hide and those they supposedly trust) can't keep their effin gobs shut.
 
viv1969 said:
You could have a phone so long as you've cut yourself off completely from everyone you knew previously.
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Only if its PAYG bought with cash and topped up with cash - or a clone phone bought on the black economy, and unless you had a lot of time to prepare what will you do for cash given that you can't access your bank account (theft or other crime is an option, but mugging attracts police attention and the average person will find it difficult to fence stolen items particularly in a strange town)

Tbh if you stay in the UK (or any western country) you are going to find it very difficult to hide for long once your face gets splashed about, especially if you don't have the means to get a false identity.

Even if you went abroad unless you go somewhere completely lawless you'll have the same isse with needing an ID, and access to cash
 
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Only if its PAYG bought with cash and topped up with cash
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Exactly.
My point was that having a phone makes you no more traceable unless you're an idiot and start calling people you know.
Money would be an issue for everything.
 
Pretty much the only way you can hide for long is with help - and finding someone you can trust that much isnt going to be easy (unless like Salman Rushide you have official help).

that said if you want to try to disapear in the uk a city/town has got to be a better bet than the countryside (unless you have a strong survival background in which case you might be better off living rough on dartmoor or Highlands) - a stranger in a small village is going to stand out like a nun in a brothel. Personally i'd try one of the smaller cities/larger towns with a big transient population (like oxford, bristol, cambridge, reading) less CCTV etc than london, but busy enough to blend in

With luck you can get a job that pays cash in hand and rent a bed sit from a slum lord who isnt too fussy about ID... then its a matter of keeping your head down and hoping they don't find you before they stop looking.

End of the day it depends who is looking and why
 
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If you're "hiding" from the police then leaving the country can be tricky. Not impossible but as soon as your passport hits a stop list you either need to get lucky with a dozy border force officer, find a private boat or walk down the tunnel (and there's a LOT of security down there). Unless you have a private plane, obvs.
 
Been caught ... so he didn't have the answer :)
 
People have done it successfully in the past - Lord Lucan for one, but modern technology might have made that more difficult for him, if it had existed at the time.

Logic says that it's easy enough to hide in plain sight as long as there's plenty of money available, but pretty much impossible without it. Having said that, it's reasonable to assume that criminals will continue to behave in criminal ways, and are likely to draw attention to themselves at some point.

The people who went for the 'survivalist' approach of hiding in woodlands, e.g. Harry Roberts, are doomed to failure in such a small country as this.
 
JonathanRyan said:
If you're "hiding" from the police then leaving the country can be tricky. Not impossible but as soon as your passport hits a stop list you either need to get lucky with a dozy border force officer, find a private boat or walk down the tunnel (and there's a LOT of security down there). Unless you have a private plane, obvs.
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The tend to ask questions if you land a private plane outside of your home country. Unless you had something with the range to make it somewhere you don't really want to be anyway
 
I should imagine a small boat that could be used to hop across the channel would be effective, provided you chose a place where traffic was relatively light. However remaining hidden without independent means would be almost impossible.
 
boyfalldown said:
The tend to ask questions if you land a private plane outside of your home country. Unless you had something with the range to make it somewhere you don't really want to be anyway
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Yeah but not too many at small airfields in France. Especially if you land around lunchtime ;)

Personally I'd head for Europe. Very big country, Europe.
 
JonathanRyan said:
Yeah but not too many at small airfields in France. Especially if you land around lunchtime ;)

Personally I'd head for Europe. Very big country, Europe.
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There's a bigger country further south, Africa...
 
Rapscallion said:
There's a bigger country further south, Africa...
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South Africa might well meet your needs. Beautiful country, attractive lifestyle with good food and wine, wonderful climate, no language problems, dirt cheap (if you have hard currency); and a corrupt government and police force, who welcome criminals, if they have money. Make friends with Zuma783 or the Guptas and you'll probably be allowed to land at a military airbase and bypass all the customs and immigration nonsense too. :D
 
Oh yeah, for total ninja disappearance skills, there's that place in "Spain" where you can walk over the border into Africa. I hear the border isn't really patrolled in the way you'd expect - at least not in this direction. Really, this is starting to look doable :)
 
There's a man wanted for ordering at a murder in Cardiff (Mohammed Ali Ege). His route out of the country: -

After Aamir's killing, Mr Ege - wearing a wig to cover his shaven head - fled to France on a cross-Channel ferry, according to Indian police. He then travelled to Spain and crossed into Morocco, again by ferry. He then flew to Senegal and on to Bahrain, where he obtained some Indian documentation, before moving on to Kathmandu, joining his brother in India some time later.
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JonathanRyan said:
Oh yeah, for total ninja disappearance skills, there's that place in "Spain" where you can walk over the border into Africa. I hear the border isn't really patrolled in the way you'd expect - at least not in this direction. Really, this is starting to look doable :)
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If you are referring to Melilla & Ceuta, they are protected by huge fences to try to stop the huge immigration issue they have. So, yes the border is patrolled.
 
archangel said:
And you will learn how to tarmac a drive and clear guttering;)
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No, you'll actually learn how to con the property owners out of their existing expensive block paved drive and replace it with a 1 inch layer of black snot, then you'll block the neighbours guttering and down pipe with a couple of tennis balls
 
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Ricardodaforce said:
If you are referring to Melilla & Ceuta, they are protected by huge fences to try to stop the huge immigration issue they have. So, yes the border is patrolled.
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Yeah there was a piece on FOOC about it. There's some dodgy trade where you can take anything you can carry into Africa tax free. They suggested the border was really heavily monitored from Africa to Europe but not so much in the other direction. Don't know how true that is.
 
Didn't someone try to apply for a passport using a false identity after reading The Day Of The Jackal and following the 'instructions'? I think he claimed that he just wanted to see if it would work, but the court wasn't really convinced...
 
MartynK said:
Didn't someone try to apply for a passport using a false identity after reading The Day Of The Jackal and following the 'instructions'? I think he claimed that he just wanted to see if it would work, but the court wasn't really convinced...
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I bet it didnt - using a birth certificate from a baby that died just after you were born probably worked fine when forsyth wrote DoTJ and DoW but with computerisation of death certs its going to be a non starter now.

These days the only way to get a legit passport is to bribe a bent official - I have heard that if you know the right people you can get a fully working UK passport renewable and everything for £25k (admittedly I heard that from a guardian investigation into it so it may have been shut down now) , but its probably easier and cheaper to get what they used to call a Panlibhonco passport (that stands for Panama, Liberia, Honduras Columbia as the four countries where its reputedly easiest to buy a passport from an embassy official, but its short hand for any third world s*** hole)

That aside identity theft, or simply a stolen passport is a possibility in the short term to get out of the country - but it won't help you in the long run.

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Having thought about this I think its unlikely you would have sufficient cash to stay on the run for long wherever you went.
So best thing would appear to be let the police catch you feign dementia and, if you are convincing, the CPS will then drop charges, apparently.
 
Our local A&E

No matter how hard I tried - the last 4 times I was there I wasn't seen.
 
This looks like a good location, though I think someone is taking the pixx!
N 33°30'52.5″ E 73°03'33.2″
just enter in google maps...
 
archangel said:
And you will learn how to tarmac a drive and clear guttering;)
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But not very well :)

Edit: hadn't read the rest of the thread and copied Ruth's post.
 
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BBR said:
Having thought about this I think its unlikely you would have sufficient cash to stay on the run for long wherever you went.
So best thing would appear to be let the police catch you feign dementia and, if you are convincing, the CPS will then drop charges, apparently.
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I think the police would employ simple medical scans to ascertain if the brain shows any signs of the physical generation typical of dementia.
 
Im assume BBR was making a back handed refference to the case of lord janner , who is alledgedly too ill with dementia to face charges, but was alledgedly still able to write a cogent letter requesting leave after this conclusion was reached
 
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archangel said:
All hypothetical of course......how would you disappear?
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There are some pretty remote places in the world which would make really nice long term homes. For example I've passed through some simply lovely towns and villages in asia and I wonder how anyone would find you there even if there was a plane ticket that proved you flew to Almaty (for example) but then travelled 1k miles off into the country. In many places there are enough (European or other looking) people about to mean that one more wouldn't gather too much attention (I'm English but in Kazakhstan they thought I looked German) if you can learn to dress and act like the locals (lots of Germans in Kazakhstan.) Alternatively, just move, live cash in hand and stay off social media and don't use credit cards or mobile phones and unless you've got a profile as high as Bin LaLa had who's going to care?
 
And has been mentioned previously...where is the cash coming from?
 
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