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I'm an ameture tog. (No, I can't spell...)

Took some pics of our children (mothers and children group).

Was asked if they could be used for a calendar. "Why not?" I thought.

"Oh, I'll set the calendar"....someone said. They claim they understand copyright law. I ask them not to crop the images.

I get an email...with the calendar butchery....I mean "images".

She'd not damaged them, she'd not murdered them, she'd ritually sacrificed them to the gods of faeces adding alsorts of scribbles.

And I'm all the schmos for saying "I don't consent to you using my images like that!"

Dear me...
 
She'd not damaged them, she'd not murdered them, she'd ritually sacrificed them to the gods of faeces adding alsorts of scribbles.
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Sorry but that made me laugh! Actually, I'm not sorry - I think (hope) it was meant to. :)
 
Being a little serious for a moment...


OK, that moment's passed!

This could work in 2 ways, if people ask why you did the photos and they look horrified by them, explain that you shot good pix (assuming they were!) and that a designer got at them and crapped all over your work but if they LIKE what's been done (there's no accounting for taste [or lack thereof]), take as much credit for the result as possible!
 
Nod said:
Being a little serious for a moment...


OK, that moment's passed!

This could work in 2 ways, if people ask why you did the photos and they look horrified by them, explain that you shot good pix (assuming they were!) and that a designer got at them and crapped all over your work but if they LIKE what's been done (there's no accounting for taste [or lack thereof]), take as much credit for the result as possible!
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TBH I wouldn't want to admit that they used my pics, that's how upset I am about it - and quite frankly, embarrassed!
 
Oh dear........a pet parrot randomly pecked effects keys?
Without the benefit of an art degree, I obviously don't know enough to say that's dreadful :lol:
(and this is from someone who liked Tracey Emin's My Bed!)
 
Carter64 said:
Oh dear........a pet parrot randomly pecked effects keys?
Without the benefit of an art degree, I obviously don't know enough to say that's dreadful :lol:
(and this is from someone who liked Tracey Emin's My Bed!)
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looks that way, doesn't it?

I can't say much without sounding totally childish or whatever...just...dear me!!!
 
I would be pretty livid if someone did that to one of my shots. She must have been tripping on LSD at the time.
 
Wow - I would be gutted also!
 
Was she having an angry moment when she did that?????

Glad I never went for an art degree if that's the result, I'd have to ask what it was she was trying to 'design' for a mothers and children group, does look a bit like sick I suppose :gag:
 
Looks like an explosion in a box of clip art. I could do better than that and I'm rubbish at design.

I'd find out where she got the degree from and remonstrate with the lecturers!!
 
MagicMynx said:
TBH I wouldn't want to admit that they used my pics, that's how upset I am about it - and quite frankly, embarrassed!
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Having seen the result, I retract my suggestion - get them back and remove all permissions. In writing. Go to the organiser and explain exactly why you're doing so and tell her/him you don't want that splodger anywhere near your photos. If they just want canvases for the "designer" to crap all over, give the babies cameras and use their shots (and nappy contents...)
 
Nod said:
Having seen the result, I retract my suggestion - get them back and remove all permissions. In writing. Go to the organiser and explain exactly why you're doing so and tell her/him you don't want that splodger anywhere near your photos. If they just want canvases for the "designer" to crap all over, give the babies cameras and use their shots (and nappy contents...)
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I'd have to agree with Nod here...... what she's done is bang out of order.

I'm sure you can do it politely enough along the lines of "You gave me the impression you understood copyright however seeing the finished product it appears that you have completely changed the original photo I sent you. Whilst I appreciate that everyone has their own artistic flair (and yours seems particularly unique), I don't feel that the finished product is representative of my work, therefore I retract my offer of you being able to use my images."

Or something like that.
 
What the?! I don't get it! Not only has your picture been all but completely erased from sight, I don't see how that mess serves as a functional calendar?!
 
For an artistic and personal point of view that looks quite good.
Though it seems to be only one out of a set.
It should not be judged as a photograph.
The person asked your permission. You gave it with out condition... it is far too late to change your mind.
you do not have to like it.
She likes it, others will like it too.
Photographers are not always good judges of Art.
Though mashups are quite popular today.
 
Terry you need to reread the original post, unconditional permission was not given.
 
Is it just me, or do others think that maybe "artists" push the boundaries because they are not artistic, and that possibly they wish to create a new "art form"?
To my eyes, that is just an image (and a perfectly good one - what is left of it) which has been mutilated or defaced, and is not in any way pleasant to look at.
Maybe the fact that I do not "get it" makes me shallow or something.
Oh well, there you go.
 
Steep said:
Terry you need to reread the original post, unconditional permission was not given.
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I did read it ... you said " I ask them not to crop the images."
It looks like you got your wish, the way they have used them could hardly be described as cropping.

What they have done is no longer a photograph, it is an art work. It is what I would expect to see these days from Graphic designers and Artists.
I would expect to see a theme running through such a calendar, though such work is not often fully obvious in its meanings. (abstruse)
 
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Nattelie

To use your description a little, that looks like the faeces of the Gods have been spread randomly. :puke: :nono:

What was she thinking! What about you doing our own version of the calendar to show them how it should be done? :thumbs:
 
What did your contact say ? I can understand you being miffed. I know that you say you are an amateur photographer in your first post but on your about me page you state that you are a qualified photographer and daisy in the dark is your personal projects which does lead the reader into believing that you have another website for your professional work. As I say can understand why you are miffed but I does seem a terry said she has taken you at your word and not cropped them.
 
I've come a bit late to the party on this but I can totally see why you'd be upset with this. Maybe you should create your own calendar with your photos and create a rival production to see who wins ;)
 
I am really struggling to understand, why you as the photographer did not just turn around when a calender was mentioned, and say thats ok leave it with me I will make one up :shrug: Can you post up the original of that picture Nattelie?
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
For an artistic and personal point of view that looks quite good.
Though it seems to be only one out of a set.
It should not be judged as a photograph.
The person asked your permission. You gave it with out condition... it is far too late to change your mind.
you do not have to like it.
She likes it, others will like it too.
Photographers are not always good judges of Art.
Though mashups are quite popular today.
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i pretty much agree with this ,,,,and im not quite sure what part of copyright says that if a person has permission to use an image it cant be cropped ( but then im not a lawyer )
 
i was thinking much the same as terry - when you licenced use of the pictures did you do it in writing explaining what use they could use them for , if not then its not really suprising this has happened

you said don't crop them - she hasnt cropped them she's just resized them and added assorted cobblers :shrug:

she probably does understand copyright - ie that she doesnt own the copyright to these pics, merely has non exclusive use of them - "Do you understand copyright" doesnt adequately convey the request " please don't use these pictures to create an artistic monstrosity"
 
I never gave away copyright guys, I said she could use the images (in full, without editing) for a calendar, no other permissions were given. ;)

Her setting the calendar was supposed to be a whole "I understand you're struggling at the moment, so I'll set it to help you out" - I did set one anyway afterwards though, but she'd decided it was her "design" or no design by then.

What's my website got to do with a supposed friend destroying my images btw?
 
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MagicMynx said:
I never gave away copyright guys, I said she could use the images (in full, without editing) for a calendar, no other permissions were given. ?
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did you actually say that in writing ? (originally you said that you'd just 'asked her not to crop them' )

I'm sure we all understand that you didnt give away the copyright - but you have essentially licenced her to have non exclusive permission to use them to create a calendar... what i was asking is what if anything you put in writing regarding this licence. (verbal agreements arent worth the paper they arent written on)

If it were me i'd have said something along the lines that "i licence images x, y, and z on a non exclusive basis to Ms x for the purposes of the creation of a calendar for... with the stipulation that the images are not cropped, editted, or otherwise altered during this use "

and that would have been in a written agreement which we both signed

Anything less leaves you open to this sort of thing with very little recourse and opens the dor to he said she said arguments about what was and wasnt allowed
 
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